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Would you support lockdowns for the unvaccinated ?

Austria is days away from ordering millions of unvaccinated people to stay at home, its chancellor has said, in a rare move that underscores the increasing exasperation of European leaders towards those who have not yet been inoculated against Covid-19.

Under Austria's plan, which was agreed in September, unvaccinated Austrians will face a stay-at-home order once 30% of intensive-care beds are occupied by Covid-19 patients. The current rate is 21%, according to the Austrian Agency for Health and Food Safety (AGES), and a surge in infections has pushed it up quickly.

Unvaccinated people are already excluded from entertainment venues, restaurants, hairdressers and other parts of public life in Austria. If the new measures come into place, the unvaccinated will be ordered to stay home except for a few limited reasons; the rules will be policed by officers carrying out spot checks on those who are out.

Around 65% of Austria's population is fully vaccinated against Covid-19, one of the lower rates in the European Union.
''It is clear that this winter will be uncomfortable for the unvaccinated," Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg warned on Thursday.

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SW-User

Its a virus. One of many that we have to live with.....it also has a 99.9% recovery rate. I'm not going to upend my life over a virus, I'm going to keep living as I always have.

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helenS · 36-40, F

@SW-User Would you accept to not have access to ICU treatment if you have covid?

Elessar · 26-30, M

@SW-User Genius, if you haven't understood it as of yet, after two years, the problem isn't the direct deaths it causes, the problem is that it makes hospitals collapse.

SW-User

@helenS Nope. Nobody should be denied care.

helenS · 36-40, F

@SW-User Now consider two people with covid, one is vaccinated, the other isn't; and there is only one ICU bed available.

SW-User

@helenS They both get treatment. Hospitals aren't overflowing.

helenS · 36-40, F

@SW-User In Austria ICUs are almost full. Soon there will be no vacancies.

SW-User

@helenS I still stand by what I said. You don't exclude someone because they are not vaccinated. You treat both.

Ravens80 · 46-50, F

@SW-User exactly and anyone that thinks they have the right to play god, go bail yourself to a cross die and comeback resurrected then we’ll talk.

SW-User

@Ravens80 I agree.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Ravens80 Neither Austria nor probably your country if you're in the first world are Christian countries, therefore no, our appointed elected representatives can, in the limits granted by the constitution and state of emergency, enact lockdowns and any other pandemic containment measures, without going through resurrection first. Whether you like it or not.

SW-User

@Elessar I can also remain defiant whether they like it or not. The government does not rule my life, I rule my own life.

Ravens80 · 46-50, F

@Elessar and I give a fuck about what you think...... nah

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Ravens80 Then maybe don't comment in a public space where your opinion is entitled just as much as mine?

Ravens80 · 46-50, F

@Elessar well if you don’t care about mine why should I care about you or yours.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Ravens80 I actually do care about yours, specifically I cared about countering it, because fallacious.

Ravens80 · 46-50, F

@Elessar no you want to TELL people what to do that’s the difference and condemn them for not conforming to your ideology.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Ravens80 Then feel free to cite the exact piece where I stated that you should do X instead of Y. If you can read English, I haven't.

This conversation is about what a government may or may not do - enacting a lockdown or any other pandemic control measure, amid a state of emergency, is perfectly legal and, in fact, that's exactly what has been done.

SomeMichGuy · M

@SW-User

[quote]it also has a 99.9% recovery rate[/quote]

Bullshit.

SomeMichGuy · M

@SW-User

To add onto @Elessar's comment:

[quote]the problem isn't the direct deaths it causes, the problem is that it makes hospitals collapse.[/quote]

It is ALSO the costs of long-term CoViD and disabilities from damage to hearts, lungs, etc. People with holes in internal organs might find that, [u]for them[/u], CoViD is similar to AIDS in that it weakens them for something ELSE to kill them (something whixh normally couldn't).

kodiac · 22-25, M

@helenS If the vax worked the vaxed person wouldn't need to be in the hospital

Elessar · 26-30, M

@kodiac If a vaccinated person breaks a leg, they need the hospital. If the hospital is full of repented covid deniers, the person in question will at best receive worse treatment, at worst lose the leg.

It's not rocket science. It's not that hospitals exist only for covid, or that vaccines grant immortality and invulnerability to every other covid and non-covid related conditions.

kodiac · 22-25, M

@Elessar the statement i responded to was if both had covid which should get the icu bed. Not rocket science.

SW-User

Then those who got vaccinated and still end up in ICU should be told they are denied service too. Are you seriously not getting the fact that both still have covid? The vaccinated one shouldn't even be in ICU since the vaccine supposedly lowers the complications and all. @helenS

Elessar · 26-30, M

@kodiac And still, you've chosen to do it with an obviously false and easily disprovable statement, i.e. that vaccinated people shouldn't care whether hospitals fill up or not.

kodiac · 22-25, M

@Elessar What false statement?.where did i say that?

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