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Was Will Smith right or wrong?

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
Likely staged, so he was right in that he followed the script and delivered the performance expected of him.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@jackjjackson Disappointed. I've been trying to be more courteous and have more productive conversations with those I disagree with. He doesn't seem to be interested in that though.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
I am doing that as well and while pointing out odious behavior coontinue conversing nonetheless. It baffles them. @SumKindaMunster
romper69 · 51-55, M
@SumKindaMunster If it was staged Chris Rock is quite possibly the greatest actor ever
LadyJ · F
Yes..he looks like a dick now.. he should have kept that girlie slap for the after party 🙄
@Wiseacre Will laughed at the joke until he looked at Jatda. He should have apologised to her for laughing.
Really · 80-89, M
@Wiseacre
[quote]he didn’t find it funny[/quote]
He?
Who?

We don't have the ability to decide for others, what they choose to laugh at. The people in this televised incident each had their own choice to make. Whether any of them (including the woman) made their choice for the sake of publicity we can't know. If that was what they wanted SW is dishing it up nonstop. If it wasn't they're SOL.

But ... it's Hollywood.
Wiseacre · F
Jada and Will@Really
ravenhill · M
i felt bad for chris, he acted more man than will did.
SW-User
@PatKirby that’s why I’m single no drama just peace and quiet for me
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@nedkelly Her pussy probably looks like a punched lasagne.
PatKirby · M
@SW-User
Same here. Rent, never buy. If you're gonna date, date foreign.
Pretzel · 61-69, M
Where I live he committed a criminal act. A misdemeanor one called "battery". If the receiver of the slap told the cops "no harm no foul" then it could be dropped.

If he chose to and a cop witnessed it he could have been arrested on the spot, booked, and bailed out (I'm in FL so CA laws are different).

Given the circumstances, his notoriety, and his wealth (and the probablity that no attorney would want to prosecute him) there would probably be a plea deal including a fine, costs, and anger management classes.

If he had done it in a bar and not been famous he'd be waiting bail.

It's not that I don't understand the anger - but he escalated the (perceived) verbal attack with a physical one.

Let's take it a step further, had the "victim" perceived his safety in jeapordy he could have returned the slap or even pulled a firearm.

So the joke might have been in poor taste (all jokes are to somebody) but the response was over the top.

He's beloved and there have been no benadryl allegations (Bill Cosby) or humping charges (Kevin Spacey) so he'll probably walk away.

Except for the possible lawsuit for the slap on national TV.
@Pretzel I'm convinced Chris is not going to press charges, by the way. I also don't think what Will did was appropriate, but I think Chris knows where he was coming from.
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@LordShadowfire probably - and it would be considered weak to sue him.

wonder if Will's mother voice saying "use your words" is coming back to him? :)
MoonMoon · F
anyone who thinks using violence as a reaction to humor is a piece of shit that needs to get their moral compass adjusted.

this is absolutely unacceptable
Eternity · 26-30, M
@MoonMoon im disrespecting you because you disrespected me first. Retaliation.

I know the concept is foreign to you, i suppose you think that i should just accept your insults lying down.

You need to find a softer target if that is what you want.
Wiseacre · F
Sometimes humour is offensive!@MoonMoon
MoonMoon · F
@Wiseacre sure it is... it even has to be. but thats something completely different then violence. there is no justification to react to words with volence, ever. if someone starts physical violence then all bets are off... no rules... shoot em.. poison their kids and families... salt their lands...
BlueVeins · 22-25
Very obviously immoral, and if it had been a woman there'd be virtually no debate on this. If Will had just stood up and yelled at Chris, it would've been 100x as rhetorically effective and -- quite notably -- it would've been a proportionate response to an off-color joke. Will Smith acted like a petulant child.
This is an example of Toxic Masculinity. "Protecting HIS Woman" Anyone can fuck her but God Forbid they laugh at her. The same women whining about Men being Toxic are the ones saying Will stood up for Jayda. Bullshit Will has had an grudge against Chris for years and he took advantage of this situation. He used Jayda.
redredred · M
@Pitchblue toxic childishness, IMHO.
@redredred Will was acting. Hecwanted people to believe he was protecting Jayda but in actuality made her look like an invalid.
nedkelly · 61-69, M
@Pitchblue It appears every one "uses" Jada, serious she is ugly
LunarOrbit · 56-60, M
It was fake.

No reaction from security at all?

‘Oh it was Will Smith…We would let him smack his momma if she hurt his feelings’

He should have been tackled, cuffed and escorted out at the least. Weird security didn’t act on the safe side…’No…It’s cool…It’s just Will Smith. He gonna chill then accept his Oscar’

There was a crowd of the most famous people in the world there. And security did nothing?
SW-User
@LunarOrbit My understanding is everyone was expecting a play fight. I think if Chris fought back security would intervene.
JohnOinger · 41-45, M
He was wrong for the slap i understand defending your wife but he couldve handled it differently as far as being staged i dont think it was sure he was laughing at first until he turned around and saw his wife not laughing being upset
SW-User
@JohnOinger its also unknown as to whether or not chris would have apologized to jada after the show
PatKirby · M
@JohnOinger
Bingo! This right here. I thought about what I would do if in this situation. I came to the conclusion that I would've approached Chris backstage ASAP and ask him to explain. The first thing that came out of Chris' mouth would've explained everything. If it was not to my satisfaction, I would've quietly left the premises with my wife. But I sense Chris probably would've apologized to her.

Unfortunately for Will and Jada Smith this WWE sideshow version of Oscars will follow them for the rest of their lives, and not in a positive way. I have to say I lost all respect for Will. At least Denzel understood and offered some timely wisdom. Chris did take it awfully well.
eMortal · M
If it wasn’t staged, I’d say Will Smith is losing his mind. He should get a divorce. I’m actually kind of surprised he keeps his chin up after his wife’s alleged affair.
SW-User
Will Smith was completely in the wrong.
redredred · M
Staged and poorly so at that.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@redredred Exactly. Some people believe what they see on TV. 😆
Definitely wrong. When you go to the Academy Awards and you know Chris Rock is going to host, people expect him to make a target out of everyone, because they know that's what he does and it's all in fun. There was no real intention to harm on Chris Rock's part there, and the joke was not that bad considering he didn't know about her alopecia. Even Will Smith laughed at first until he saw the look on his wife's face that she was upset and then he took action. This is not acceptable to just go up and beat somebody up because of a joke. He could have handled that outside the academy afterwards or simply said something from the audience but he lost his cool and that was the result. The black community is embarrassed and he marred the academy awards ceremony. This could also set a trend for other people to act like they just lost their temper momentarily so they could beat somebody up and it's a terrible example to our children. The man needs help. He has psychological problems from his childhood.
Security should have grabbed him immediately. It is not the picture of maturity. I bet if some white man got up and slapped him that hard, it would have been OVER. He's a terrible example for his children and this generation. I look for him to get a simple slap on the hand and suspension from the Academy Awards for a while or maybe forever I don't know, but he'll just laugh at that. What kind of disciplinary action is that? To Will Smith, nothing. I feel he should go to counseling and only when he is healthy minded again, be able to make movies again. Now that sounds more reasonable to me than anything and especially when it comes to the welfare of his family. Who wants to see a trend set where every time we get mad at somebody we just walk up and pop them in the mouth? It is unacceptable and despicable behavior. It could have been handled in a completely different way.
bet he got laid last night
Jamesy · 36-40, M
@Bklynbadboy12 no way it was real. Rock didnt lose his balance all
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@saragoodtimes [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsP6EKAzEjI]
PatKirby · M
@saragoodtimes

He must've got some simp love for his efforts. I wonder what August Alsina would say?
4meAndyou · F
Will Smith was laughing heartily at Chris Rock's joke, [i]until[/i] he glanced over at his wife and received a death glare. I can't imagine a man being so afraid of his wife that he would actually endanger his career...but there it is.
4meAndyou · F
@Bklynbadboy12 Aww! Thank you! 🤗🤗🤗
Bklynbadboy12 · 31-35, M
@4meAndyou No thank yoj for always being the voice of reason I know i definitely need that cause im very impulsive. So thank you for that
4meAndyou · F
@Bklynbadboy12 💞💞💞🤗🤗🤗 You are MOST welcome!
Adstar · 56-60, M
Will smith is a snowflake and a simp.. Pathetic..
Needs a handbag..
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout or a closed fist
Freeranger · M
Cheap theatre, and it's own little outtake that deserves an award correct? Having worked a wee bit in film and watching them in real time between takes, I believe to this day that they all deserve each other, there in Gomorrah.
Their collective....their covey of Hollyweirds, have intentionally blurred any line, anything good, anything normal or coherent, all in the name of fame and fortune. With that said, as an entity they deserve each other quite frankly.

What I came away with from my theatre seat as a background artist? They're insecure people who have become drunk with the idea of being immortalized in film so they won't be "forgotten." For me, that has always spoken of low esteem.
So, in my book, how can there possibly be any sense of right or wrong here?

My .02
SW-User
Funny how all the usual conservative conspiracy theorist types think it was staged.

You guys realize that stuff actually happens sometimes, right? Like not everything is part of a scripted conspiracy. I thought you hated Hollywood douchebags. This is totally something an egomaniac actor like Will Smith would do.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@SW-User [quote]Well, I didn’t appreciate users saying that anyone who doesn’t believe it’s staged is a “dumbass[/quote]

Well why didn't you just reply to that person as I did to you? I only saw one person make that comment.

[quote]For one thing, Rock has made jokes about Jada and Will Smith’s family before and the fact that he yelled to stop making these kinds of jokes after he returned to his seat hints that this could’ve been a tipping point for him.[/quote]

Sure, perhaps Rock should have listened. But isn't that the whole point of him hosting this show? To make jokes about Hollywood elite to show they are just like us and can have fun and joke around just like regular people...oops. It's why I think it was staged, felt like this is exactly how a staged event would play out.

[quote]The fact that the Academy has come out with their usual wishy-washy answers leads me to believe it was organic too as this is how they always respond to everything.
[/quote]

Agreed. It came across as toothless and something that should be obvious and not need to be stated... We condemn violence in any form...yeah as do we all,
Eternity · 26-30, M
@SW-User exactly. These people need new hobbies and to read up on Occam's Razor.
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He was wrong. And he knew it, he owned it, and he apologized for it. That shows integrity.
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@ZashaKitty I’m just sharing my opinion.
I applaud Will for defending his wife; however, he did not have to resort to violence. He could have just yelled like he did, and/or called Chris out in his acceptance speech. Will apologized to the Academy and to his fellow nominees not to Chris and not to the viewing audience. And his comment about 'love makes you do crazy things' sounds abuser-ish.

Chris took it like a champ though.
If anyone has evidence it was staged, please provide it. I swear, these conspiracy theories are out of control. Next people will say Biden ordered him to do it to distract from high gas prices.
@MarmeeMarch Keep wishing. Meanwhile, Clarence Thomas' wife was actively working to overthrow the government, but he's not responsible, while Biden is personally responsible for whatever it is you people think his son did. Hypocrisy much? @SumKindaMunster
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom You're calling me a hypocrite because of Clarence Thomas's wife? Care to explain how that works?
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REMsleep · 41-45, F
Wrong. It dosen't appear to have been staged as some suggest since he apologized to the awards show.

Will has some kind of inner turmoil and it is tied to his marriage and the way that they live their life. I feel like he's going off the rails lately or at least exposing his dirty laundry publicly on a weekly basis.
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@DeluxedEdition No I saw the slap. It wasn't acting. I saw Jadas face. I also know that Chris Rock made some bad jokes about the Smith family previously and it is my opinion that Will was not acting.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@REMsleep I respect your truth but respectfully disagree
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
@REMsleep I agree 100%. Not staged, and Will has definitely gone through some shit lately so he's easy to pop off. He needs to get away from Jada, I really don't think she's good for him or their kids.
nedkelly · 61-69, M
Well, if this was real Chris Rock should have dropped Will Smith like a sack of potatoes

Will Smith is another b!tch being controlled by his dominate wife - he just made fun of her hair - wow big deal
PatKirby · M
@nedkelly

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qch29kxXyik&t=1s]

Hypothetical translation: Will, do something to preserve my honor right now or I'll have sex with August Alsina again.
leeloh · F
A man hitting another man. It wasn't self defense. Common sense. Of course he was wrong.

Where would the world be if we're allowed to slap people for words? Pathetic of his side. Just pathetic.
@leeloh Will laughed at the joke.
The Oscars should bring charges. They can not allow violence on live TV
Really · 80-89, M
@Pitchblue It's wannabe WWE crossed with a Sesame street Punch & Judy show.
redredred · M
One point to consider, if either Smith or Rock had been white this would have been a career-ending scandal.
Amylynne · 26-30, F
@redredred not even.
see what they did with whatss his name shoot on the set guy?
redredred · M
@Amylynne I guess I missed the racial element when white Alec Baldwin murdered the white producer.
Amylynne · 26-30, F
@redredred exactly! he is white and he got in deep shit.
it is NOT all about race.. really
Keepitsimple · 51-55, F
Probably should have gone up and said something along the lines that he’s not very classy or funny if he has to take a sensitive health issue and use it to get a laugh.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
It was staged 😂😂😂 y’all mean to tell me you genuinely believe some wild shit happens at the Oscar’s or Grammys every single year?

Y’all are wrong for being head asses
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
One factor to consider is that while he started out with a nice guy image when back when, Will Smith has morphed into an obnoxious jackass.
It’s rarely the best idea to strike someone. But as I said on another post, to paraphrase Chris Rock himself speaking about O.J.:
"I wouldn’t have done it—[b]but I understand[/b].”
SW-User
@bijouxbroussard Perhaps why he chose not to press charges.
@bijouxbroussard ya i kinda think it was right. look at will wife and her look just before this happened when rock was making fun of her illness . however it was a crime to hit him. what is a man to do about protecting his wife . its in our blood to protect. in the end all was good. will did what he had to do and rock understood he crossed the line and both moved on.
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@bijouxbroussard "oof" words come back to haunt sometimes don't they?
SW-User
Of course he is wrong what would make that ok?? 😒
SW-User
@SW-User Some justify it by saying he was defending his wife's honor 🤺
SW-User
@SW-User a grown man slapping another man youre joking right??
AbbeyRhode · F
He was dead wrong, and he just lost what little respect anyone still had for him.
This was literally the best shit to happen all year 😂 I've been dying at all the memes
Penny · 46-50, F
violence isn't good. he shouldnt have hit him
Bklynbadboy12 · 31-35, M
@Penny So true
Bklynbadboy12 · 31-35, M
@Penny I like the way you think
Lilymoon · F
It was either punch Chris Rock or face the wrath of Jada. LOL
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
I am Team Will on this issue. He was defending his wife (however toxic she may be), and Rock had no business saying what he said, [i]especially[/i] after all the shit Will has gone through recently.
SW-User
@DearAmbellina2113 Do you think if a lady comedian made a similar joke she'd deserve similar treatment?
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
@SW-User maybe, if another female was slapping her.
SW-User
@DearAmbellina2113 XD so slapping a grown man is the answer wtf
I'm not going to weigh in on the merits of the debate. However, Byron York has a piece in the Washington Examiner today (it should be available online) about a poll done by a well-known Democratic pollster (so used to do tihis in a fairly rigorous way). A slight majority of respondents thought Smith was justified. The pollster also broke down the demographics of respondents by sex and race, among other factors. While i don't remember the exact results , there were divergences there.
This in a situation where a literal crime was committed for all to see.
See my reply to @PatKirby below for the link.
PatKirby · M
@LamontCranston

Interesting speculation. I do wonder how it broke down on demographics though. Now that it's been reviewed repeatedly, in retrospect I wouldn't hold it against the rate-starved academy to do something like this and claim they didn't from a position of impunity. Their ratings were actually magically up afterwards.
@PatKirby i aroused myself from my usual sloth and fond the link to York's analysis.
Here is the link:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/race-sex-money-and-the-oscars-assault
Byron York, IMHO, is one of the most astute commentators on the national political scene .
graphite · 61-69, M
Wouldn't be surprised if both are spending today basking in the aftermath of what they created, similar to the fat kid admiring the barf storm he created at the pie-eating contest in "Stand By Me."
Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
It's not anyones business really. I imagine he has experience and memories of how upset she's been about her alapecia and how difficult it's been for her. Then to have someone make fun of her in front of the world must be very triggering.
@SW-User It was an assault on live TV and you think the best answer is, Its no ones business???? What are you on?
SW-User
@Pitchblue It was a little slap. Compared to all the other world problems it's very small.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Ryannnnnn she is a total publicity whore. It comes w the territory.
Raymuundo · 46-50, M
He is wrong and he looks like a time bomb. This type of behaviour is symptomatic of bigger problems.
@Pitchblue Wow.😳
@Raymuundo [quote]if you are ok with violence then yeah it’s all fine I guess.[/quote]
Another black-and-white thinking kindergarten moralist has judged me. However shall I cope?
Raymuundo · 46-50, M
@LordShadowfire So if I have an opinion I am judging you? Good luck with that mentality.
Fairydust · F
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wildbill83 · 36-40, M
🤷‍♂️ a five year old in a temper tantrum could throw a harder slap...
Keepitsimple · 51-55, F
Chris Rock went where he shouldn’t have. Can’t blame Will Smith.
Eternity · 26-30, M
Legally right? No. Morally right? Yes.
GunFinger · F
They were both wrong. 2 wrongs don't make it right.
Jimmy2016 · 61-69, M
🤔.....Can't we all, just get along.....
Sexylips · 36-40, F
He went too far
SW-User
@Sexylips I agree
There could have been tension between them. I don't know why everyone is worried about it. I think it would have been juvenile for Rock to fight back. He just got slapped. Who cares. They can take care of themselves and Rock could have pressed charges but didn't.
Zaphod42 · 46-50, M
I don’t know the full inside story, so I’m not going to say. But it’s over, he’s apologized, Chris isn’t pressing charges, and I’m done caring about it.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Excellent point. They’re all a bunch of overpaid frauds anyways. Who cares. @Zaphod42
Teslin · M
My opinion, Will Smith was right. There is a time and a place and I feel Chris Rock picked the wrong time and place.
nedkelly · 61-69, M
@Teslin So you accept assaulting a person for having a laugh
Teslin · M
@nedkelly In this case, yes.

 
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