@Punches Yeah but I think they are so anti supportive of gay children because adults dressing up that way for movies and actually being that is two different things. These older people are from eras where it was acceptable to be gay in show biz only but not in real life.
I think that's my opinion from what I get anyways. Sort of like "if you don't talk about it, it's fine but if it's out there it's less accepted" kind of deal
@SatanBurger That the schools started calling them by male names and they thought that's what they wanted and "transitioned them " and normalized it without the kids consent. They told the parents and the Parents are furious, and so are the kids.
@Mistakesmakeus I'm aware there's horrible things I can do too. Knowledge is king! But nah, he's just some internet troll, I'm not gonna get myself in trouble. He already made a fool of himself publicly.
He took it a step too far by insulting Sid Haig. Come after me, but not Captain Spaulding!
What is the problem with a social club that is accepting of the LGBTQ COMMUNITY it might actually teach your children to be honest and accepting of ALL people.
@Carazaa I thought you were Christian. Well you might be, but the type of parents you describe there are appalling. I'm surprised they even mated, if they hate children so much they want to oppress them to that extent.
How can these victims of coercive and controlling behaviour marry if they are banned from dating anyone, and by extension, forbidden to fall in love...?
And what happens if, whether they live in loneliness enforced by selfish parents or they escape to happiness, they find more interesting and constructive things to do than read the same old book over and over and over again?
They can and should decide their own religious opinions for themselves. If that means abandoning their parents' Jesus-bothering, tough. Ma and Pa will just have to accept it. .
"unGodly agendas", eh? Ideas you don't agree with, obviously.
Good grief - I have no idea what subjects they might be, but we can't have children growing up capable of thinking for themselves! Oh my word no. They have to know only as "taught", to think only as and when told, to hold only approved beliefs and opinions, to analyse nothing, to concede nothing, to accept only approved categories of people and reject the rest... to have no minds of their own.
@ArishMell I taught at a christian school, where kids came because they had been violent in public schools and been kicked out. It was a wonderful place with loving teachers that taught a Bible lesson daily, and chapel on fridays and televised christmas programs and music lessons. The kids tested 2 or 3 years ahead of the public schools in math and every subject. I had to take an oath that I would not have sex being unmarried or be seen on the town after dark, I would not wear tight clothing, I would act with the highest christian virtues or let go. The kids were so wonderful. We never had any discipline or punishment because it was such an enriching loving environment.
@Carazaa That's very heartening that you were able to help these children, despite the petty clowns running the place.
As employment conditions, go those restrictions on your private life stink. They were ridiculous, intrusive and designed to please the school's governors (all mysoginist little men?), not God.
Reasonable dress in class, yes; but who the hell were they to dictate your clothes away from school, or when you will or will not go out? What if friends invited you round for the evening, or out for a meal or a drink or something, or you wanted to go to the cinema (or did they ban that too?). Your love-life was none of their damn' business; and unless you became pregnant, they'd not have known anyway.
Christian? You yes; them and their silly rules, no.
@NativePortlander1970 These schools have been fined. And You are reported for abusive speech. I care about kids that's why I am posting this. Some parents are in lawsuits because schools went against the parents wishes to not be in any sexual ed, but the schools did not listen. Now they have to pay fines.
@Carazaa not in every country and not in every faith.
And these clubs are non-curricular and often run and maintained by students. If it is a public school they are allowed to do so. A parent can ask their child not to go if they so wish but they can not stop such a club from existing.
Lol. All jokes aside, if your kid hides the fact that they might be gay from you, you might want to consider that it's you that is the issue and not the school nor the kid. Because if the kid doesn't trust you to accept them, then what are you saying to make them feel uncomfortable as a person?
@SatanBurger Give me an example of homosexuality being a benefit to human evolution? How? In what way? If you say something like population control, you need to understand that is basically saying that homosexuality is a virus or a disease, or a mutation...mutations are never beneficial. Biological imperatives are what keep us going, we don't evolve to cull ourselves. To claim that as a "benefit" is more of a left wing ideological claim than a scientific one.
@SamInAZ Okay will do below but again you should know that scientists only refer to human sexuality in hypothesis of how they think certain things evolved including heterosexuality. Just like when you claimed "there are no gay genes" but there's "no one straight gene" either, to which I gave you a link as to why explained by scientists and researchers.
What you're doing is using biological imperative as a "means to an end," to "encompass literally everything," to really oversimplify such a thing to what scientists don't even know, is you either misusing on purpose or you literally don't understand and you can only simplify down to "one" mechanism by which a species survives.
As I said, where does this leave heterosexual people who don't want or can't have kids.
In many prosocial mammals sex has adopted new social functions in contexts of social bonding, social reinforcement, appeasement, and play. We argue that for humans the social functions and benefits of sex apply to same-sex sexual behavior as well as heterosexual behavior.
Assessing SSSA in non-human animals is not easy, but what is clear is that homosexual behavior is not a human innovation. It is widespread in primates (Sommer and Vasey, 2006) and other animals (Bagemihl, 1999; Bailey and Zuk, 2009), and is certainly ancestral to hominids. Analyses of the contexts of occurrence of homosexual sexual behavior in primate societies suggest the behavior has various diverse functions. These include appeasement, pacification, reinforcement of social dominance structures, juvenile play, social tolerance, stress reduction, and barter (Sommer and Vasey, 2006; Clay and de Waal, 2015). Heterosexual sexual behavior shows a similar diversity of expression across primate societies (Sommer and Vasey, 2006). It appears there has been an expansion of the social functions of sexual interactions (both homosexual and heterosexual) as more complex societies evolved in primates (Werner, 2006). As a consequence, sexual behavior in primates has been subject to selection for adaptive social functions as well as the obvious reproductive functions.
Social evolutionary processes have been a major driver of recent human cognition and behavior (Eisenberg et al., 1983; Dos Santos and West, 2005); particularly selection for increased intra-group tolerance and reduced intra-group aggression (Bowles and Gintis, 2013; Hare, 2017). Prosocial individuals would have more readily accessed the fitness benefits of cooperative group living (Hare, 2017), and would have gained both greater reproductive success and social mobility (Bowles and Gintis, 2013). Enhanced tolerance also would allow for smoother integration of juveniles that moved from their natal group to a new group โ bringing new ideas and technology with them. Selection for prosociality is thought to have driven the recent evolution of bonobos from their chimp-like ancestor, and proto-dogs from their wolf-like ancestor also
@SamInAZ Edward O. Wilson addressed this in his classic work Sociobiology. In early human societies, gay members may have been more willing to take risks on behalf of the community, since they didn't have biological children they were responsible for. Genetically, if a man has no children, but his brother has four kids, that amounts to the same thing since on average he shares 50% of his genes with his brother, so the brother's kids share 25% of his genes. He doesn't need kids of his own to reproduce indirectly.
Homosexuality is also a meta-characteristic. It's observed that a man is more likely to be gay if he has an older brother. This trait may have evolved to prevent brothers from competing for the same woman.
Of course, none of this will make sense to a bigoted piece of shit like you, who hates and fears gay men because you're terrified that you might be one of them.
So just to clarify, I should be concerned about my kids joining LGBTQ clubs....
Maybe I should just send him to Church so a pastor can molest them instead....
Got it...
Or here is a better idea. Learn that the world is comprised of more people than yourselves.
I have always said that I do not have Black, white, yellow or brown friends. I do not have straight, gay, bisexual or trans friends I do not have Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or Atheist friends What I do have are genuine friends.
I want my children to not judge and never be ashamed to be themselves or embrace the difference in others that wish to be themselves.
The more I hide from them then the more likely their curiosity will want to know more.
Actually though, I'd love to apologize. Got off track with someone misunderstanding evolution and the nerd in me wanted to correct them. LGBT people do NOT need proof of their existence. At the end of the day, they have a right to protect themselves against people wishing them harm. Regardless, I don't care about scientific hypothesis this or that, it has no bearing on the subject as LGBT individuals shouldn't have to "prove" anything to begin with.
@SatanBurger yeah it was in an episode of an old show called Night Rider, this guy's car could talk.
In one episode his car warns him about some guy in a room being armed. My 8 year old brain was thinking, "I hope Micheal doesn't get beat up!" (Micheal was the car's owner)
You know absolutely nothing about what LGBTQ clubs are like and how helpful they can be to teens who are not straight. Unless you are LGBTQ yourself, you have no idea what that experience is like. You are just swallowing right-wing propaganda.
If you want your kids not to participate then you are actively adversarial with your kid and you have bigger problems.
God, the Christian right really knows no bounds to their level of evil.
@basilfawlty89 I couldn't ever say someone was a BNP member unless they told me- then I'd definitely avoid them.
You'd actually be pretty surprised if you did have a beer about how agreeable some of my views are but we'd probably talk more engaging topics than politics.
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@basilfawlty89 Yeah there is nothing admirable or quaint about โIโd be friends with a fascistโ.
It's crazy how much the homosexual agenda has been forced upon the younger generation. Teaching them to embrace it until they end up questioning their own sexuality
However, Blair warned it was difficult to interpret the finding at this stage.
โIt is difficult to specifically state what this means. It could mean that participants found the images of male same-sex couples kissing to be equally disgusting as the disgusting images. It could mean that they had an anxiety response to the male couples kissing and a disgust response to the disgusting images, but that physiologically, we could not tell the difference between these two emotions.โ
Previous research has found a strong link between sexual prejudice and the emotion of disgust. For instance, a 2008 study found that individuals who are more easily disgusted are also more likely to make unfavorable moral judgments about gay people.
So basically, if you're a homophobic bigot, you're going to be disgusted by gay PDA. No surprise there.
Here's the study showing how homophobic bigots like you are closeted homosexuals.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8772014/
The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli.
@Harmonium1923 Congress needs to pass a law that queens are not allowed on chess boards! And that king, they need to make sure he was male at birth and not trying to sneak into the wrong restroom! ๐
@Matt85 Prayer for which religion? By the time they go through the Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Shinto, Hindu, Taoist, and 5000 varieties of Christian prayer, there won't be time for anything else.
Oh, I forgot pagan.
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If the parents donโt know their kid is in one of these, thereโs probably a good reason.
There are also Christian clubs. If a kid with atheist parents is in one of these, should the school inform them? Assume the parents will forbid the kid from participating if they know about it.
@Carazaa Guess what, the first amendment forbids prayer in schools, or anything else religious.
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Idc about these clubs but the fact that even in university they put up their huge flag everywhere all the time and have their events in the middle of the common areas is so annoying, and itโs a common joke and observation in engineering and STEM is that the people who are in these clubs are all good for nothing dyed hair, woke type art students lmao
My daughter was president of hers at her high school I was very proud of her for that. Funny thing is, she's not gay. She understands that everyone needs support, especially those that hate them for being what they are.
@nonsensiclesnail 12 years ago, LGBT acceptance was on the incline. Things were going well then things just went to crap after "that man" took office. I do not want to say his name cause it would feel like I were cussing. ๐
Yes. Every which way they can, they are going to stuff it down societies throat. If I had school aged children in this society, I would home school them.
@BritishFailedAesthetic If I had any remaining doubts about my sexuality, paticipating in team sport at school pushed me decisively into the rainbow camp! ๐
I had no idea there even are such clubs, though I know decent social clubs accept people for who they are, not what tick-box they occupy. Sometimes though, I wonder what would happen if people started discreetly slipping an "H" into the middle of that alphabet soup, which I once saw with "A+" tacked on ...? :-)
@ninalanyon The etymology in English for its sexuality use probably was that "non-conforming", more than "odd"; given the English trait of celebrating the qualities of individuality and eccentricity which even though innocent, seem to frighten other cultures.
It is a pity when innocent little words like "queer" and "gay" become high-jacked to be given sexual meanings so people are afraid to use them in their real senses.
@ArishMell It is a pity that it was necessary to do so in order for members of the homosexual community to not be harassed and assaulted by those who could not let them be.
@CorvusBlackthorne Such slang made the problem worse by being used, even coined, as abuse.
A common homophobic British sneer, among many others, was to describe someone not just as "queer" but, "as queer as a nine-bob note". (In our pre-decimal currency, a "bob" was slang for a shilling, and the smallest banknote was the ten-shilling one.)
Homosexuals in London used to have a very strange argot I think called "Polari", but I don't suppose it hid their sexuality from everyone who happened to overhear it; in the days when anything not rigidly heterosexual was feared and despised.
In the 1960s the BBC Radio sketch-comedy Round The Horne always featured a skit based on two shop-keepers who were partners in more than the business sense, played by Kenneth Williams and Hugh Paddick. The comedian Kenneth Horne, the shows' anchor, played "straight man" in both senses to the duo, whose speech was full of this weird slang. Many years later, when safe to do so, it was revealed as genuine Polari, though played for laughs in the show.
Here's part of an article regarding religiosity and suicide.. It's entirely possible that the increased emphasis of religion in the community is responsible for the increase of suicide...
For bisexual youth, the importance of religion was not associated with suicidal behavior, while religiosity was protective against thoughts of suicide and suicidal attempts in the heterosexual youth. But lesbians and gays who reported that religion was important to them were 38 percent more likely to have had recent suicidal thoughts. For lesbians only, religion was associated with a 52 percent increased likelihood of suicidal thinking.
Questioning individuals were almost three times as likely to have attempted suicide recently if they reported that religion was very important to them.
@walabby Religion is not good for anyone's mental health, whether they are LGBT or some bigot. Of course the bigots are usually religious only in the sense that they hide behind some "God" to justify their hate.
@walabby Very sad, but also true. I've spoken with both gays and lesbians who were raised to believe it was a sin - and the trouble they've had trying to resolve their innate orientation with their beliefs has often been tragic. The most successful were those who changed their way of believing, by coming to believe in an unconditionally loving God who could not possibly condemn anyone for loving differently, because love is that which nurtures the well-being of life regardless of who or what one loves.
@BohemianBabe republicans freak out over ANY word that starts with "trans".
transportation, trans-Atlantic, transistor, ANY word... and they start flopping around like fish out of water screaming that we need more anti-trans legislation.
The latest 4,673 bills would prevent people from performing bodily functions even in the restrooms of their own homes. They want people to build an out house for each member of the family.
If you reside in Yemen, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar, Afghanistan, Somalia, or Sudan this most likely does not relate to you, due to the fact that homosexuality in criminalized and sometimes punishable by death.
@basilfawlty89 I remember being in some religious ed BS in elementary school. We were told something about how God didn't like us listening to rock music. Well, THAT did not sit well with me. Especially because my favorite song at the time was "Heaven's on fire" by KISS. I had no clue back then what it was about but I still liked it.
@Carazaa Homophobic or accepting, it should not be for parents to control school curricula and syllabi anyway, not to bar their children from any subject; beyond being sure of good educational and welfare standards.
For allowing that would encourage the tyranny of parents, hopefully a tiny minority, who do not understand the point of education; and do not understand that their offspring are individuals not clones, and are people not possessions.
Are people who will leave school with decades of their own lives ahead in a very complicated but vibrantly mixed society.
Perhaps such parents should have thought very deeply about choosing to breed in the first place, if they are that inhumane.