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Can we stop saying that atheists are afraid to believe in god? [Spirituality & Religion]

Who the heck [i]wouldn't[/i] want to believe that death is not the end and that we'll be reunited with our loved ones?

It seems to me that in fact fear is one of the strongest motivators TO believe in a god which soothes the terrors of death, oblivion and separation.
Carazaa · F
Well atheism is nothing but people that like their sins and are mad at God and Christians for disturbing a nice evening with their preaching. They feel good in their sin, they like to FEEL good. Because God requires change. They are feelers.

Christians are logical and look at their life and see that it isn't worth it to be stubborn and reject God. I am a person who feel deeply but wont act on my feelings all the time because I rather want Heaven, success, and God to answer my prayers! I want a nice life not a bunch of disasters. And you are right it is because of fear of God because I see peoples lives and I want his blessings. But I'll admit its a process to get there. And God has to draw a person to himself I believe, before He saves them.
Carazaa · F
@LeopoldBloom

Sure I can! If Jesus said "Many will say in those days that I preached in your name and I will say to you I never knew you!" so if Jesus can say it I can say many are not following him just because they say they are Christians. many Mormons, Catholics, etc. are working themselves for heaven, we can't earn heaven no matter how "good" we are, nope! And God made a strong statement in Noahs time when he only saved one family, 8 people, in the whole world at the time. And that's how it will be in the last days. A Godless world, like what we see now.

Jesus says [b]"These are those who love me, those who keep my commandments" Jesus had 2 commandments... love God, and love people" [/b] Well many are not doing that, sadly.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Carazaa [quote]Well atheism is nothing but people that like their sins and are mad at God and Christians for disturbing a nice evening with their preaching.[/quote]
If you're mad at god, you're not an atheist 🤷‍♂️

[quote]I want a nice life not a bunch of disasters. [/quote]
That's really not enough motivation not to "act on your feelings"?
Carazaa · F
@QuixoticSoul Maybe, maybe not!
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
No. It's the truth. Again, there are no such people that are atheists being that they believe in some type of god and have faith in that idol.
@LeopoldBloom The farmers didn’t any knowledge of science so it was easy to scare them into believing the thunder was caused by an invisible supreme being.
Carazaa · F
@wilderflower I could never be superstitious! I demand evidence! And after reading the Bible I can not deny all the evidence, especially after God told us to challenge him and trust him! I have and he has come through every time for me in miraculous ways. I am writing a book on all the miracles God has done for me when I trusted him!
@Carazaa You’re a nice person. Delusional and indoctrinated but nice.
HannahSky · F
I don't believe they are afraid to believe. Other people are sometimes afraid not to believe.
HannahSky · F
@LeopoldBloom lots of people are afraid to step out of what they were taught to believe.
@HannahSky I think that's more being unwilling to consider new information, not that they're "afraid to believe." In my case, I've investigated the major world religions thoroughly, and am familiar with all of the arguments for God's existence, and find them unconvincing.
FunReader55 · 51-55, M
Perhaps consider you might be trying to fit a square peg in a round hole my pedantic wordsmithing frIend!! Right or wrong tho I like reading what you write! @LeopoldBloom
TakingBackMidgard · 26-30, M
God is afraid of believing in atheists.
@GodSpeed63 Here’s where I show how much of a liar you are as well as your cowardice-
Show me where I have lied. I can show where YOU have!
You have already avoided it several times and this will add to the number.
@GodSpeed63

[quote]Call yourself a liar and coward first [/quote]
🤦🏻

Come on dude. You're an old man, can you [i]please[/i] stop saying " i know you are but what am i"?

You clap back all you want, but try not to do it like a 2nd grader.
That is all
@Pikachu It’s all he can do.
Miram · 31-35, F
There is no one easier to fool than the one who is desperate to believe. That's exactly why we have pseudoscience, miraculous diets, psychics, fortune tellers and religion. And why there are heartless swindlers making money out of all of them.
JBird · F
@GodSpeed63 [quote]
Reality is eternal, this world is temporary.
[/quote]

Do you have proof for that? No, you don't. So it's not true either. In fact, there's no proof for any of the things in the Bible or any religions. Therefore, none of the religion have a faint idea of God or existence of it. We still have no idea what God is. Get the picture?
reality? is subjective..
you need to read something other than your fairytale book@GodSpeed63
Miram · 31-35, F
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hami1091 · 41-45, F
People are entitled to their own set belief rather it be Atheism, Paganism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam or Wiccan. People are not entitled to put down anyone else's belief system nor are they entitled to make assumptions why they believe the way they do.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@ArtieKat Christians are by definition beholding to Christ.
The Christians you know are not Christians.
Carazaa · F
@LeopoldBloom Well good that Satan didn't appear in your room. Then God is protecting you from evil. We find God in the Bible. Not in vissions. Jesus in the last verse of the Bible warned that we can not add to the Bible. God doesn't talk to people now. Why did he say that? So we would know the truth from the Bible and not be confused what is the truth.
@Carazaa The Bible is nonsense. I need objective, irrefutable proof. If you can't provide that, then at least admit that your belief is based on nothing more than personal opinion.
RylanTheHusker · 26-30, M
Religion is stupid.
FunReader55 · 51-55, M
Amen! And.. what does religion have to do with God anyway!! @RylanTheHusker
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@RylanTheHusker [quote]Religion is stupid.[/quote]

You got that right, friend.
@FunReader55 Organized religion is how the concept of God is preserved and transmitted across the generations. Without religion, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, etc. would be nothing more than obscure historical figures of no particular significance.
ArtieKat · M
All I have to say is that [i][b]if[/b][/i] Christ existed, as detailed in the New Testament, His disciples on SW would do well to practise some of the humility He preached.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@MistyStarr [quote]yes but God's word has been translated and misinterpreted[/quote]

There's only one interpretation of God's Word and that belongs to Him only. Without His Spirit dwelling in you, there is no way you can interpret His Word accurately.
ArtieKat · M
@GodSpeed63 I'm not going to block you, nor even mute you. What I'm going to do is to ignore you. I will take inordinate pleasure in imagining you jumping up and down in impotent apoplexy :-)
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@ArtieKat [quote]I'm not going to block you, nor even mute you. What I'm going to do is to ignore you.[/quote]

That's what you said a few posts back. I'm glad you're hear though. Welcome aboard the thread. I like a challenge.
Abrienda · 26-30, F
No. If you can't take the truth about yourself, that is not our fault.
Carazaa · F
@Pikachu You don't have to 😉
@Carazaa

Well it's also that i'm just not too impressed by the historicity of the bible.
That it may have real places or events in it which are corroborated by extra-biblical sources doesn't help me to accept the supernatural claims which are not corroborated by any extra-biblical sources.
Carazaa · F
@Pikachu I understand!🌻
Budwick · 70-79, M
[quote]Can we stop saying that atheists are afraid to believe in god?[/quote]

Sure, no problem.

Although, I think that it may be the case for some.

I think these days though, atheists think they are pretty smart, certainly way too smart to believe in supernatural beings with supernatural powers they they themselves don't possess.

I can't guess where each one lost their way. I mean God said that His existence is self evident. And while that is crystal clear to me - obviously it's not to others. I don't know why.

Belief in God is indeed comforting as I grow older.
I've believed in God since I was a kid. Death wasn't a concern of mine at the time. I believed because He really is self evident to me. I genuinely can feel His presence. HE does answer prayer. and yes, He will judge each and every one of us some day.
Bandit2398 · 51-55, M
@Budwick if god answers prayers then why don’t you just pray for all atheists to become Christians? Also why not pray for amputees to regrow their limbs?
Carazaa · F
@Bandit2398 I think we do that!
@Carazaa So why has there never been a single, verified instance of an amputated limb growing back?
One of the stupidest theist arguments is "you know God exists, you just won't admit it." Theists like to create straw men and put words in atheists' mouths. Like "you're just angry at God." No, I'm not angry at a being I don't think exists, and I really don't "know" God exists because I haven't seen any evidence for him.

Change that to:

"You're afraid to believe in the Tooth Fairy"
"You know the Easter Bunny exists, you just won't admit it"
"You're just angry at Santa Claus"

"God" is no different from any other imaginary being, so substituting a different one in those arguments shows how fatuous they are.
Carazaa · F
@Pikachu Don't do it yourself then!
@Carazaa

lol carazaa, you get that this was what we were talking about before, right?
That you may have a presupposition about why group x believes y but that if you insists that your presupposition is right and their explanation is wrong then you're being arrogant.
@Pikachu That is the problem with presuppositionalism as put forth by Greg Bahnsen. There's no reason to assume that anyone's presuppositions are any more valid than anyone else's.
FunReader55 · 51-55, M
Sorry folks, this may sting a bit.. lol! God can neither be proven NOR disproven. It is, by design, a Faith based system. Nowhere in the Bible does it say, solve this equation to find God! It’s says something like believe in him.

The magnitude or strength or passion of either sides belief in their OPINION does not make it fact.

You guys are basically arguing who’s opinions are “correct”. It’s like arguing favorite colors!
Carazaa · F
@FunReader55 God bless you! I think you will see your brother again! So sorry for your loss!
Carazaa · F
@FunReader55 "costs me nothing to believe and be wrong" you are wise!
@Carazaa Unless the true religion is something other than Christianity, in which case, all of you are going to hell or will be reborn as insects or something.
Wiseacre · F
Yes, faith is comforting..something I lack..or at least in short supply!
@Wiseacre

Yeah, right? It seems like it can really make people feel better. Who wouldn't want that?
SW-User
I can imagine some would be. Imagine you lived your entire life claiming God didn't exist and ridiculing the idea. They'd regret ever saying ANYTHING wrong and it would already be too late, if that was the case ._.

It's not the right idea to believe in God out of fear of what death is. God is not meant to be an explanation of the unknown. If a Creator exists, they are the source of all knowledge, life, and beyond

If a Creator does NOT exist, then it is void of meaning to create one
JBird · F
@Carazaa wow, you wanted to that question right now when you don't have an answer to my questiona? 😆 I already argued with many users who had incorrect views on atheism and other religions. But I really don't want to argue about religions but I am compelled to because people here shamelessly condemn others who don't have same beliefs as them, just like one of the user said, it's never gonna stop.
Carazaa · F
@JBird I answered it but you are arguing my answer. Have a nice evening. Study all the religions and read the entire Bible too! Good night!
JBird · F
@Carazaa for the last time, you don't have to tell me that. Even if I do it again, my stand will be the same. It's you who should read the Bible again because you keep ignoring all of its negative aspects. If I tell you which religion is better, it's Buddhism.

No, you didn't discuss anything. You accuse me of arguing, which I am not, because you don't have an answer to my questions. You're running away from confrontation.
NeloAngelo · 26-30, M
I've always hated the idea of heaven. that after you die you can be reunited with family and friends. I've had close friends and family pass on and believing that that's it. i'll never see them again while painful makes it feel more important that i keep there memory alive. and i cherrish more the people that remain because my time with them is finite.

i believe if heaven is real then there's no point in grieving and takes the impact of someone passing on away. "oh such and such died? whatever. i'll see them when i pass on eventually."
@NeloAngelo

Here's the problem i see with your reasoning.

On the basis that this life is all we get you determine that it's valuable to spend as much quality time with the people you love as you can.
Given that you believe that there is a limited about of time, you feel an afterlife devalues the time we have together here.

My response is: Well so what?

If you knew that you would get to see your loved ones again and have infinity with them and that, that might result in not spending as much time with them on this earth, WHY would that mean you [i]wouldn't want[/i] there to be an afterlife where you are all reunited?

I can understand if you would be fearful to believe that because it could jeopardize the time you spend with loved ones now, but why wouldn't you want an afterlife to be true? Which is what we're talking about in this thread. Why wouldn't an atheist [i]want[/i] to know that they'll see their loved ones again?
NeloAngelo · 26-30, M
I don't want an afterlife. all my dreams/aspirations are motivated by the belief that this is it. this is all we get. living life to the fullest.

hoping for an afterlife takes that away from me. wanting something doesn't make it true either. to me heaven is a lie meant to make those who have lost loved ones feel better. its a beautiful lie but i would always choose a harsh truth over a beautiful lie.

either way i suppose we'll find out soon enough.
@NeloAngelo


How does hoping but not knowing that there's an afterlife take anything away at all?

And if you did KNOW that there was an afterlife, why wouldn't you want that?
As an atheist why do I want to believe in God?And if there is one I will find out when I am dead.
Carazaa · F
@softspokenman 🎃🤗🍁🌻
@TheSirfurryanimalWales
[quote]
As an atheist why do I want to believe in God?[/quote]

I don't know about wanting to believe in a god, necessarily. Although i suppose it might be comforting to think that daddy has everything under control.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@TheSirfurryanimalWales

[quote]As an atheist why do I want to believe in God?[/quote]

The agnostic's dilemma:

“From whence came this universe?
Did He create it, or did He not?
Only He who is the Lord of all knows;
Or perhaps he knows not.”
Kanon · M
1. Everyone is hypocrite

2. Everyone wants to push their own beliefs; whether religious, moral or cultural

3. Everyone thinks everyone else is wrong
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu [quote]Actually that was a polite way of informing you had missed the point.[/quote]

It's you that's missing the point.

[quote]So then you were just reciting elements of your belief system.[/quote]

I don't have a belief system like you do.

[quote]Good.[/quote]

It's okay.
@GodSpeed63

lol i was of course joking when i said i expect you can do better at engaging intellectually.
I did not for a minute think you were actually going to offer a rebuttal.

And you proved me right.
Play your little games then. If and when you feel up to actually debating the point, i'll be hear🙂👍
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu [quote]Play your little games then.[/quote]

I don't have games.
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@SW-User That's going too far.
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@SW-User This isn't Quora where you can get kicked off for using a fake name or not being polite to people. SW has a lot of leeway.
Success · 26-30, F
Atheists ARE afraid to believe in God, for it requires sickly corrupting of reason.

Apart from that, believers are also right about eternal existence being possible. They're just wrong about magical God, heaven, and spirit. Nature is all it takes.

You need to do a serious rethink before posting anything about atheism again.
@Silverwings

lol "i think i'm good" as in "No i think my understanding of atheism is just fine".
Silverwings · 61-69, F
@Pikachu thanks for clarifying that.
@Success

[quote]You need to do a serious rethink before posting anything about atheism again.
[/quote]
I think i'm good, actually. Nothing you've said has really given me cause to rethink but i'm happy to carry on the discussion.
For instance, i'm not sure what about your statement there should be considered an impetus for me to rethink atheism. Could you be more specific?

Also, if you have a moment i wouldn't mind a response to my last post in your thread.
midnightsun · 26-30, M
To be completely honest, ignorance is bliss.
@midnightsun

how do you mean?
@midnightsun The full quote is "where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise."

 
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