The Lie: There Are Many Paths To God - The Truth: Jesus Is The Only Way To God

@newjaninev2 [quote]You make completely unsupported claims, and when someone asks you to support those claims you immediately abandon those claims and begin referring to claims the other person never made. [/quote]

Won't wash, Newjaninev, you know we've been over this before.

@GodSpeed63 No, I don't know that.
I have absolutely no memory of that... because it didn't happen.
You are merely falling back on yt another of your standard lies.
Apparently your god is comfortable with your false witness... is that right?

So, once again... you make completely unsupported claims, and when someone asks you to support those claims you immediately abandon those claims and begin referring to claims the other person never made.

From this, it is obvious that you have no evidence for your claims, you are unwilling to stand behind your claims (thus you abandon your ‘god’ thing), and you are reduced to the falsehood of saying that you have already presented evidence but nobody can find it.

@GodSpeed63 You're "lying for Jesus" yet again. Are you totally incapable of saying anything even approaching the truth?

@Renkon [quote]The only evidence you quote is from Bible[/quote]

And that's the best evidence in the whole world! I'm sorry you can't accept its wisdom, and discount it. There's nothing better than eye witness experience and you may discount that all you like, but Jesus' disciples were eye witnesses as well as the 500 mentioned in scripture and handed down to us. It's no mistake or fantasy that they believed it enough and witnessed it all, with the 500, and were so sure of what they all witnessed, that all 12 disciples dedicated their entire lives for Him, even to the point of being willing to die for what they believed in. You know you can only fake something for so long. Meaning, that usually when people make things up and follow whatever, after a while they get tired of that and they'll go on to something different. They cannot sustain a lie their whole lives. But this is nothing like that. The disciples and other followers of Christ, refused to leave Christ, and used their entire life to spread the good news of Jesus as Savior of the world, even AFTER He died. That's how much they believed, loved, and were dedicated to Christ, same as those who love Christ today. I'd say that's plenty of proof right there of the reality of Jesus and His life and mission fulfilled. Nothing in this world can be compared to that, Christ, or His great sacrifice and mission, and no one suffered on that cross to die for our sins, like Jesus. You really hurt His heart when you deny what he did for you. If only you knew. It takes simple faith yet it seems like you're more interested in disproving him and what he did instead of following him and appreciating what he did for you. I'm not here to convince you. Just relay His message of salvation that he told his disciples to do so that everyone would know how to be saved and would not miss heaven. But you should be convinced by what Jesus did for you on the cross. If you think that was an easy task, you have no conception of what he did for you. I will always be grateful my whole life for what he did for me, just as he did for those who saw him suffer so horribly on the cross and everyone in the world, so they can have heaven when they die. And just like the disciples, God showed me who he was and why he came and I can tell you right now, I would not have spent and dedicated my whole life to someone I was not sure about. But I witnessed firsthand his healing touch and transformation in my spirit by the Holy Spirit after I accepted Him as my Lord and Savior. That's one thing I have not one pinch of doubt about because I wasn't expecting it, and to this day, I can't believe how He touched my life and transformed it so completely, just as He has millions of others, and that's the job of the Holy Spirit, to transform lives after trusting Jesus. The Holy Spirit is a seal from God upon those who trusted Him, and lives in us as proof that we have been saved. He leads, guides, and teaches us things of God, and one cannot understand the scriptures [i]until[/i] the Holy Spirit interprets them to us, after we are saved and that's why it is foolishness to those who try to understand it with their limited thinking when they do not have the Holy Spirit yet, to interpret it for them.

I know that God and His word are trustworthy. It only takes a simple, "Yes Lord, I will trust you, and invite you into my heart and life as my Savior.", in order to be saved. There's nothing hard about that. And the reason you don't understand what God's grace is is because you have not experienced it. But never never underestimate the power of God, whose Grace [u]does[/u] cover our sins for eternity. That is what it was meant to do and Jesus said it covers all our sins. There is no condemnation that sin has over us, after being washed by the blood of Jesus. It takes a blood sacrifice to pay for sins in the spirit world and that's what Jesus did for us. He paid for our sins with his life, so that we could have salvation and our sins removed so that we don't drag them into heaven with us. Because and only because of the work of Christ on the cross, God the Father sees those who have come to trust in his son jesus, as righteousness, after their sins have been forgiven. If someone did that for me and loved/loves me [b]that[/b] much, I'm certainly not going to find excuses to turn him away and I've never in my whole life regretted giving my life to Christ. I would do it all over again. No one saves, like Jesus. No one CAN save like Jesus. And no one can transform lives like I have seen Jesus do for so many. That right there should tell a person that Jesus is real and that he lives today. Even the cross and grave could not hold him. He resurrected from the dead by the Spirit of His Father, who raised him. And then He appeared to all again. My God! What more proof could you want?? He gave His utmost best! Even in death. And that is why I say to this very day, "After all He sacrificed for ME, how in the [b]world[/b], could I give him less?" He is worth it all. I shall always be grateful to Him, to the day I meet Him face to face and fall at His feet in honor of Him and I can't wait to tell Him how much I love and adore Him for all He did for me.

@Renkon https://similarworlds.com/christianity/bible/4500025-Have-you-heard-this-account-of-who-Jesus-really

Who Jesus is and what He did for you, me, and the world. Then tell me He did it for nothing. His great suffering was not for nothing.

@Renkon [quote]The main word here is BELIEF.
Believe literally means ' We don't know about something or that is not in our experience.....but we choose to put our faith in it'. In essence Belief mean we don't know.[/quote]

We do know. It's funny how people will put all their faith in one man who writes a book against Christianity or Christ and hold that as truth, even using it as proof, and believe what the author says and they don't even know the author or his background, yet God sent His Son into the world, in person, to tell people what to expect when they die and how to get to heaven and people fluff It off. Jesus didn't leave us to guess. Christians know what they believe and why. There's no guessing about it. God's Word does not lie and neither does God. One day people will see that and Jesus will get the praise and glory He deserves and He alone.

@LadyGrace If the Buddha and this cat go along with that then so will I.

@badminton love the cat hahaha

@LadyGrace [quote]Get that through your thick skull. [/quote]
Why do you christians alway have to resort to silly insults? Is because you don't have anything worthwhile to offer?

@GodSpeed63 Still waiting for you to offer a shred of evidence to support your ridiculous claims. You've never had anything worthwhile to say, just lies and BS.

@Lynda70
Godspeed doesn't do evidence, he knows it would prove him wrong.

@GodSpeed63 I don’t gave to answer the questions of a fool. Any response to my summary of your entire theology?

@redredred [quote]I don’t gave to answer the questions[/quote]

Learn to spell, Red. I guess you answered my question. I'll be praying for you.

@GodSpeed63 Nobody talks about Jesus and God more than atheists. Go Figure. "I don't believe! I don't believe! Let me shout it a few more times - I don't believe! Did you hear me!"

@MasterLee [quote]your point?[/quote]

You can't be an atheist if you're not dead.

@Lynda70 It's also much more than that, but yes, it can be.

@Graylight There is a need to 'think through' what we read - You did that when you responded to me..... the truth is in there somewhere! Good thinking!
I was a policeman in my career and I know from experiences of interviewing people (good people) that memory is not always 'truth', that emotions and circumstances 'color' our memories. And, if you remember that game where people sit in a circle and whisper a phrase in their neighbour's ear and that 'truth' gets whispered from ear to ear around the circle - most often it's very garbled (ofen funny) when it returns to the person who started it. So it is with stories that have been told for centuries without having been written down (there were no books in Adam's nor in Noah's days). So, it is up to the current day reader to sift through the stories and make sense of them FOR OUR OWN LIVES. The issue with that is: Many people take the stories verbatim and then apply them to other people's lives (PASSING JUDGEMENTS) and thus try to control others. I see that is a 'sin' in itself as 'The Bible" says that we are not to cast judgements on others: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", so Jesus said - and NOBODY threw a stone!

@JollyRoger No one is casting judgment and careful reflection is always a good thing, but it only makes sense if the material being reflected on is authentic and accurate. Which cannot be proven well with the Bible.

@LeopoldBloom [quote]If you can't force yourself to disbelieve, then your belief isn't based in free will.[/quote]

I can but choose not to. Would you swallow your own vomit after you threw it up? Or worse yet, some else's vomit?

@GodSpeed63 Notice the illogical extent Leopold is going in his last points... It's a form of insanity..

@Adstar [quote]Notice the illogical extent Leopold is going in his last points... It's a form of insanity..[/quote]

It sure looks that way, brother. At this point, all we can do is pray for him.

@MasterLee You said in your profile that you had pain.

@MasterLee I'm so sorry to hear that.

@TrashCat I don't find it necessary to prove myself to anyone, especially you.

@TrashCat [quote]Human beings will make amazing strides once the yolks imposed on us by superstion and religion are removed.[/quote]

That's RIGHT, by golly! And we'll be so happy when you remove your imposed superstitions and man-made religiously bigoted assumptions about Christians and God, Mr. [b]Phiber[/b].

@JPWhoo [quote]Why shouldn’t all the robbers, thieves, murderers, and rapists go to Heaven? Jesus died for them too. All sin is equally bad. You think you’re better than them?[/quote]

Why make this personal? Did I say I thought I was better than them? No. Stay focused on the topic. So you think we should have a system with no justice? Criminals should just run the streets and take over with no consequences? Would you feel the same way if someone murdered one of your family members? But you're right about one thing. Sin is Sin and God does not categorize it. All sin separates us from God until we repent and that is why we must repent and ask Jesus to forgive us, which he more than willingly does, which restores our fellowship with our Father in Heaven. We cannot drag our sins into heaven and without them forgiven, one cannot see heaven or dwell there.

@JPWhoo [quote]Then what exactly was hell designed for? Why should such a thing as hell even exist? Why would a merciful god create hell? Why is that even a choice on the table?[/quote]

Satan and his followers. The story is in the Bible. God does not possess our flawed concept of love and justice; He is the very definition of love and justice, therefore cannot do anything that is unloving nor unjust. The law of non-contradiction states that something cannot be both true and untrue at the same time. So, if God IS love and just, then He cannot be at the same time unloving and unjust. Even our legal system demands law and justice. Why should it be any different in the spiritual world? It is even more so in the spiritual world as God takes losing souls to the devil, very seriously. But if you insist there's no hell then you have nothing to worry about do you?

@JPWhoo [quote]Why should people ask that? So thereissomething you have todoto get to Heaven, but then we’ll just say that doesn’t really count, we didn’t do anything? So then they can do whatever it takes to get to Heaven and then boast about it to all the heathens?[/quote]

God is clearly made his Plan of Salvation free to all who want to have it. It's our choice.

“For by grace are ye saved through faith: and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

No one can achieve Heaven for what they have done, but for what Christ had done for them. Jesus is the only way to Heaven.
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6

@ArcAngel It is biologically impossible for mRNA vaccines to cause genetic change.

@ArcAngel You live in an evidence-free fantasy world.

Lemme guess - you also believe in a biblical four cornered Earth??

@Zeusdelight well you missed my whole point. Had nothing to do with your spelling. You were attacking Godspeed and also God and Christians so that's why I changed the subject that's all. My whole point was, it's fine if you want to discuss your differences regarding the post or whatever, but at least be polite and don't downgrade Christians or god. You could just simply say I don't believe this way because, and then go on from there. There's no need to attack people. That's what I was trying to show you. I don't know why you feel the need to attack people on here. So as you can see, you can dish it out but you can't take it. That was my point. So how about we just discuss things without the necessity of arguing.

@LadyGrace Did you read my response? Did you read someone saying stand down Mister?

You attacked me - I quoted you back at you, and yet you didn't understand. I have no idea where you were trying to be polite to me or show me politeness.

And then I am told "Stand down Mister" as if some like you can attack but are incapable of having comments questioning them.

And I will not stand down here for any person.

But I would love to know where I downgraded Christians or God.

Spelling, I did not mention.

And again you have not answered my question about the poor and suffering.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Stand down, mister, [/quote]
Typical christian. Arrogant and dictatorial. Who the Hell do you think you are?

@acpguy re: "good people". “For [b]all have sinned[/b] and fall short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23

@GodSpeed63 I have, raised very strict Catholic, went to a catholic grade school and had high school education provided by the Jesuits. All christian religions originate from the catholic / roman catholic church. The new testament was written from 40 to 200 years after christ's supposed death. Most bibles are translated falsely and writen by man not god. You poor folks can believe what you have need for as religions are like drugs / alcohol / sex and other addictions, you give up one addiction for another as it is human nature and not by the hand of god.

@acpguy [quote]I have, raised very strict Catholic, went to a catholic grade school and had high school education provided by the Jesuits. All christian religions originate from the catholic / roman catholic church.[/quote]

I was raised Catholic, myself, but I've never heard of the Catholic faith being the cornerstone to Christianity. Christianity actually originated from Antioch when the people started calling the Apostle Paul and brothers in Christ, Christians. At the time it wasn't meant to be a compliment but a mockery. Have you ever read how God hates man made religion?

[quote]The new testament was written from 40 to 200 years after Christ's supposed death. Most bibles are translated falsely and written by man not god.[/quote]

You're wrong on both counts. The book of acts was written much sooner than 40 years. The Word of God is the Word of God regardless of how it's translated. He wrote it, not men. His Word confirms that.

[quote]You poor folks can believe what you have need for as religions are like drugs / alcohol / sex and other addictions, you give up one addiction for another as it is human nature and not by the hand of god.[/quote]

I'm not religious as in the definition that you're used hearing. If anyone is poor, it's you. You're poor in knowledge, wisdom, and understanding, you're posts gives testimony to that comment.

@Lynda70 [quote]She's proven your claims are BS.[/quote]

Just the opposite, Lynda. You both have proven that God lives and His Word is true. Thank you very much.

@jshm2 Couple things. Many denominations use the same Bible. The Bible versions are [i]translations[/i], not assigned to a religion, and really only about three are used as standard. Many denominations are so close as to be nearly indistinguishable. Paul did not "start Christianity." Catholicism was started by Peter, on which rock Jesus would build his church. Paul was merely a letter-writer with strong beliefs. Most denominations wouldn't show up until centuries later, no no one in the Bible helped create them.

No Jesus wasn't a Christian but a Jew. That matters little as his faith was changed into a new expression of belief. And religions are not cults, though a cult might live under teh guise of religion. A "cult" has a very defined and delineated definition. Religion does not fit it. It's not a cult when people read the same thing but not a cult when people [i]en masse[/i] join the new gym downtown. Groups are not [i]de facto[/i] cults.

@jshm2 paulinity???
So you believe Paul died on the cross and rose again??

Interesting!!

@TheWildEcho AMEN, brother!!

@TheWildEcho A dead-end. 🙃

@LadyGrace exactly!!