The Lie: There Are Many Paths To God - The Truth: Jesus Is The Only Way To God

@SlaveEt That is not true. Most Christians believe in a God of forgiveness who will always forgive. People who want to play control games may not mention that God, because it gives God control:)

@SlaveEt [quote]And if you forsake your God just once, no Heaven for you. [/quote]

As long as you're alive, you can receive Christ into heart up until the point of death and be saved. Problem, you may die quickly and not get that chance.

@GodSpeed63
That may what the pastor teaches but that's not what the Bible says.

@GodSpeed63 Silly little board game rules made by an insignificant species from the incomprehensible space of the Universe.

@SlaveEt Where does the Bible teach as you state? Can you provide the verses..

@Adstar
Sure...
Jeremiah 15:6
2 Kings 17:7-18

And the best one...
Judges 10:13

@SlaveEt
Jeremiah 15:6 in context:
(Jeremiah 15:1-7) "Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my mind could not be toward this people: cast them out of my sight, and let them go forth. {2} And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the LORD; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity. {3} And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the LORD: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy. {4} And I will cause them to be removed into all kingdoms of the earth, because of Manasseh the son of Hezekiah king of Judah, for that which he did in Jerusalem. {5} For who shall have pity upon thee, O Jerusalem? or who shall bemoan thee? or who shall go aside to ask how thou doest? {6} [c=4C0073][u]Thou hast forsaken me, saith the LORD, thou art gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against thee, and destroy thee; I am weary with repenting.[/u][/c] {7} And I will fan them with a fan in the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, [c=4C0073]I will destroy my people, since they return not from their [u]ways[/u][/c]."

In context this verse is not talking about ONE case of forsaking God.. The Hebrews of the time had done so on mulitple occasions it is a case of repeated transgressions against God not just one..[c=4C0073] Ways [/c]means multiple not singular..

2 Kings 17:7-18 I have read the entire chapter and i cannot see why you quoted these verses..



(Judges 10:13) "Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more."

Again where is the ""just once"" And also you bring forth multiple examples in the Bible yet these are different instances.. So if God was not PERMINANTLY doing away from His people in any of your examples there would only be one example.. Clearly God continued to deal with the Jews after all of these verses where revealed.. AND there is NO mention of then Being forever barred from Heaven in any of the examples you bring forth..

So your ''if you forsake your God just once"" and your ""no Heaven for you""

In the New testament Peter was a classic example of a person who denied Jesus 3 times when Jesus had been arrested and was being tried.. But The LORD still forgave Him and Peter served The LORD till the day he was executed by the Romans years later..

@SlaveEt Hey i just finished reading the next chapter after Judges 10:13 And the Jews repented and God did give them victory over the Ammon invaders .. So much for them being perminantly forsaken..

@Adstar
Yeah, the Bible has all kinda of inconsistencies and fallacies. Not the best written work out there.

@SlaveEt The supposed inconsistencies are based on peoples lack of understanding..

It was written the way it was written for a purpose.. It was written with the need of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to trully understand... Those who have a love for the truth will be guided into knowing the Love of the truth which is in the scriptures..

@SlaveEt Yep there are inconsistencies and fallacies, it is not meant to be a science text and it was written by many different authors of many different ages over many hundreds of years.

Anyone who thinks that there are no inconsistencies or fallacies is trying to gatekeep the Bible to their particular Church or belief system and use it inappropriately such as making themselves out to be the real Christians or really inspired while others are not.

@Zeusdelight [quote]Yep there are inconsistencies and fallacies, it is not meant to be a science text and it was written by many different authors of many different ages over many hundreds of years.[/quote]

It's still the Truth and there's only one Author.

@GodSpeed63 Nope. The Bible is neither univocal nor does it carry any inherent authority. Try again.

@Graylight [quote]Nope. The Bible is neither univocal nor does it carry any inherent authority. Try again.[/quote]

Prove it.

@GodSpeed63 As to Biblical voice, start with some light reading. The Bible is a collection of writings from approximately forty separate authors written on three separate continents, comprised in three separate languages, and was compiled over the span of an estimated 1,500–1,600 years. If ancient Egypt and 1960’s Cleveland were similar and could be used interchangeable, then the voice is univocal. Otherwise, not. But don’t take my word for it. And if it’s not univocal, then it has absolutely no inherent authority.

[i]https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Bible_Made_Impossible/dzW63en5lnkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=bible+is+not+univocal&pg=PT8&printsec=frontcover

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Christian_Faith/Cjl9ge1_FzkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=univocal

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Cambridge_Companion_to_Paradise_Lost/auVSAwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=bible+is+not+univocal&pg=PA68&printsec=frontcover

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/religious-studies/article/abs/theistic-metaphysics-and-biblical-exegesis-francis-turretin-on-the-concept-of-god/BA4133F2768FE28BA683EB098FA5D226

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=bible+is+not+univocal&hl=en&as_sdt=0,10

Witt, Andrew C. (2014). "The Lost World of Scripture: Ancient Literary Culture and Biblical Authority by John H. Walton and D. Brent Sandy, IVP Academic, 2013 (ISBN 978-0-8308-4032-8), 320 pp., pb $24"

Woodbridge, John. "Biblical Authority and the Christian Tradition". The Gospel Coalition.[/i]

Are we done playing petty games now?

@Graylight [quote]Are we done playing petty games now?[/quote]

Who's playing. And?

@GodSpeed63 And now you have your research. Read it at your leisure, feel free to expand the search, come to understand the words falling out of your mouth. Do that and you'll be equipped to have any seniscal human conversation.

It's more that you've ever given anyone here in the way of proof.

@Graylight [quote] And now you have your research.[/quote]

All I got from you is a lot guess work and nothing substantial. It's not called proof by anybody.

@GodSpeed63 Far from it. Look, if we’re at the point where you need to learn how to comprehensibly read in interpret data, then I’m gonna move on while you come up to speed. Because you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

@Graylight [quote] Far from it. Look, if we’re at the point where you need to learn how to comprehensibly read in interpret data, then I’m gonna move on while you come up to speed. Because you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.[/quote]

Without the Spirit of God, no man can know the Truth. I do know what I'm talking about.

@GodSpeed63 You know what you're talking about [i]for you[/i]. Not for him, not for her, not for them, not for me. You don't care to hear my belief system while trapped with me on a plane; what makes you think anyone needs to hear yours?

@Graylight [quote] You know what you're talking about for you. Not for him, not for her, not for them, not for me. You don't care to hear my belief system while trapped with me on a plane; what makes you think anyone needs to hear yours?[/quote]

Belief follows Truth. What I know to be the Truth by the Spirit of God, that I believe and that I will share.

@GodSpeed63 Well, great. Be prepared for pushback, logic and other peoples' beliefs trumping yours. Seems like a waste of time to me.

@Graylight [quote]Well, great. Be prepared for pushback, logic and other peoples' beliefs trumping yours[/quote]

If God be for me, who against me?

@GodSpeed63
According to your own beliefs? That would be Satan, many of your fellow humans and human nature itself.