The Lie: There Are Many Paths To God - The Truth: Jesus Is The Only Way To God

@Renkon I don't support what they are saying, however, you are way out in your ideas of the compilation of the Bible.

"By the middle of the fourth century, when the Codex Sinaiticus was written, there was wide but not complete agreement on which books should be considered authoritative for Christian communities, according to the Web site where the Codex is posted."

https://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/07/06/ancient.bible.online/index.html

@Renkon
My faith is good enough for me.
Jesus is real, he came to earth as a man, he took on all of my sins, he died on the cross and rose again on the third day 😊. He's in heaven preparing a place for me that's all I need to know.

@Zeusdelight Exactly the point I was trying to make. Bible is compiled and written men. Men decided which scripts should be included and which not. This is a common theme of any Holy books of any religion.

To take these scripture as reference is one thing, but to consider it a law is another. The authoritative way people are quoting these books to talk about what God wants and not is absurd. Especially the claims that only their religious idea is right , others are wrong.

That's mere ignorance.

@Kygirl That's wonderful. If your belief gives you happiness, it's perfectly ok.
Not being argumentative, But the idea that Jesus died for our sins, was put there by the church. To my knowledge, this idea appeared around 10th century. You could check.

These are human interpretation. And we make those the corner stone of our life? That's where I find it wrong. I have no argument that Jesus was sent by God to lead us. He is a Prophet.

@Renkon [quote]How do you know for sure?[/quote]

Through the Spirit of God who dwells with me and through His Word.

@GodSpeed63 Did you hear his word, literally? Or you have faith? There is also the extreme case, if you did hear the voice, how do you it's God's?

I apologise if this sound rude. I don't mean it. I just want tell there is a different between a belief and experience or reality.

@Renkon [quote]But the idea that Jesus died for our sins, was put there by the church.[/quote]

It was put there by Him who willingly went to the cross and paid the price for sin that we could never pay. Three days later, He willingly took back His life to defeat death once and for all.

@Renkon [quote]different between a belief and experience or reality.[/quote]

No difference. Jesus said that we must be born again in order to see the kingdom of God in John 3. Therefore, I believe Him, experienced being born again, and came into the reality of the truth that Jesus spoke of.

@GodSpeed63 Everything you say is based what's written in Bible. All these arguments are based on the assumption that Bible is perfect. That all the words are directly put there by God. But you don't know it for sure. You can only BELIEVE it.

All the other religions are making the same claim.

@GodSpeed63 Actually you are not believing Jesus here. You are believing in some person who convinced you that John 3 is true. At the best you are believing in the person John. Because he said so you believe.

Again, there is nothing wrong in believing. But trying say what you believe is the only Truth is not so wise.

@Renkon [quote]Everything you say is based what's written in Bible. All these arguments are based on the assumption that Bible is perfect. That all the words are directly put there by God. But you don't know it for sure. You can only BELIEVE it. [/quote]

God is not a man that He should lie. The Holy Bible is His Word and, through His Spirit of Truth, I am certain that it's true. Religion has nothing to do with a close relation with God in heaven. True worshipers of God worship Him in deed and in truth.

@GodSpeed63 Again you are missing the point. It is simple.

How can you say that Bible is perfect? What proof do we have that each and every word is from God.

The historical evidence contradict this.

I am not saying Bible is wrong. Just that it's a narrative that was written by men.

@Renkon [quote]Actually you are not believing Jesus here. You are believing in some person who convinced you that John 3 is true. At the best you are believing in the person John. Because he said so you believe. [/quote]

John wrote those words by the instruction of God's Holy Spirit and not his own will.

@GodSpeed63 We don't Know that for sure. But we can Believe so.

@Renkon [quote]How can you say that Bible is perfect? What proof do we have that each and every word is from God.[/quote]

2 Timothy 3:16 & 2 Peter 1:19-21. This is how I know the Holy Bible is the Word. Understand, I'm not their word for it, I'm taking His Word for it.

@Renkon [quote]We don't Know that for sure.[/quote]

I do. Have you ever been born again?

@GodSpeed63 You keep quoting from the Bible to prove Bible. It's an irony isn't it.

See my friend. You have every right to believe what you want. If it makes you a good person, if it gets you the grace of God, I am absolutely happy for you.

@Renkon [quote]You keep quoting from the Bible to prove Bible. It's an irony isn't it. [/quote]

It's the Word of God. You haven't answered my question.

[quote]You have every right to believe what you want. If it makes you a good person, if it gets you the grace of God, I am absolutely happy for you.[/quote]

We all have the right to believe what we wish but we all have the responsibility to believe in the Truth rather than the lie.

@Renkon What about all the history books that lied to us about events that didn't even happen we're finding out, but that we believed? Those you trusted in, didn't you? Those were from a book and you believed them , but God's Word is not just any book, but you would believe those history books over God's Word? We can and will use God's Word to back up what He says, just like the history books can, and people don't complain about that. Don't forget that God cannot lie. God would not entrust His Word to just anyone, as I've mentioned many times. God would not allow lies in His Word because His Word comes from His own mouth and was transcribed by the Holy Spirit, giving [b]holy[/b] men of old, what to write down. I don't care how many centuries it has gone down I think that's just an excuse not to believe God's word because nothing was changed that much maybe a few of these and vows and there are definitely no contradictions in his word and one can tell that from careful Bible study, that the message of his word has not changed at all and the point is, it tells us what Jesus came for and why we need him which is the most important thing to know, not how long it took to transcribe and how many authors and all that. It's still God's Word and still his Plan of Salvation And if we can't accept His plan of salvation, we simply can't get to heaven because He said so. Here He's trying to save everyone and their nitpicking on His Word. What good will that do people on behalf of getting them to heaven? God's word cannot lie and God cannot err.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]It's the Word of God. You haven't answered my question.[/quote]
Exactly what I asking. How do you know for Sure it's the word of God. Have You heard God speak literally?
Islam says Quaran is the word of God. Hindus may say Geetha is the word of God.
The common factor is we haven't been there when God spoke. We can only believe.
Belief and Knowing are two things.

@LadyGrace You are missing the point. The main word here is BELIEF.
Believe literally means ' We don't know about something or that is not in our experience.....but we choose to put our faith in it'. In essence Belief mean we don't know.

Your entire argument is based on the 'Assumption' that whatever is written in Bible is exactly the words of God. Have we literally heard God speak those words?

What about Quaran or Geetha or Thora or any other religious books. they too are claims its the word of God.

It's ok to Belief . But to argue it's absolutely true is unscientific .

About history books, it doesn't matter if French revolution occurred or not as long as it doesn't affect my life or I am gong to act up on. But religion is something we bring in to our life and we act upon it. So it matters. It matters that it be true.

@Renkon I see what you mean. Thanks for explaining. Let us then look at some things...please answer the following where I have placed a question...

Belief doesn't mean we don't know. Jesus didn't leave us to guess about the questions you ask or wonder about. The answers are in His Word. And here's why I could never believe things in the Quran.

You keep calling it religion, it's not religion. There's a big difference between man made religion and a relationship with God. Have you read the Quran? It [i]contradicts[/i] God's Word. It reads exactly like man-made philosophy. Like this:

In chapter 4 verse 157 of the Quran, denies the death and crucifixion of Christ. They say if he did not die on the cross, then he could not have been raised from the dead. Thus, Jesus' resurrection from the dead is denied, by Islam. Compared to over 500 witnesses who saw Jesus come back from the dead and ascend into heaven. They weren't all delusional. Jesus was a real person. He came to tell us how to get to heaven and why we need Him and he never left us to guess how to have eternal life in heaven when he came. It is man who changed that. Jesus never once said we could earn our way to heaven. Will we believe man over God? There is historical evidence and supporting evidence that states that Jesus was a real man, died, and rose from the dead, about his tomb, his travels, his miracles and all. His Resurrection proved who He was, and His ascension into heaven witnessed by over 500 people. I don't see any of the other gods claiming that. What sacrifice did they make to ensure us eternal life in heaven?

Chapter 5, verse 72 of the Quran, states that if you believe that Jesus is God, you will go to hell. What is that???? Why is Jesus such a threat that they would go so far as to say that if you believe in Jesus you'll go to hell? That sounds more demonic than anything else. What does Romans chapter 10 verse 9 tell us? If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that he died and God raised from the dead, you shall be saved. The exact three things that Islam denies about Jesus Christ, are the exact three things God said we need to believe, in order to be saved. Death, deity, and the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

We've got unanimous written testimony from multiple Jewish references, including the Talmad, the Mara bar Sarapian, and Josephus the Jewish historian, who is writing for the Romans. All these Jewish sources say that Jesus died by crucifixion.

We have Gentiles sources such as tacitus and Lucius, both of whom said Jesus died. Then you have eye witnesses such as Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul and Peter...all of whom give unanimous testimony that Jesus died on the cross, was buried, then rose from the dead. They even watched him ascend to His Father in Heaven.

You also have Christian testimony of Papius, Clement, Poly Carp and Ignatius. What all of these people say happened to Jesus, matters. Besides Jesus, there is not one account in history of anyone surviving a FULL Roman crucifixion. Jesus' death on the cross is the one thing that we can be certain about, concerning His life.

How do any expect to reach heaven by their own efforts? Please tell me how, because Jesus said if you deny Me, I will deny you before My Father in heaven. Will man sprout wings and fly to heaven? He still wouldn't know how to get there because man doesn't know where it is exactly but Jesus knows his own Abode and exactly where it is.

Chapter 5:16 of the Quran makes the claim that Jesus denied ever being divine. That is an outright lie. He told people exactly why He came. Many people then believed Him and turned from sinning, to a new life in Christ. Many recorded testimonies about this. They saw and recorded His miracles.

The proof people seek that God is real, is found in the experience of accepting the above things about Him. It is the salvation experience in which one receives the Holy Spirit, as promised in His Word, and I have received and thousands of others, that we don't have to guess about if God is real. We're not assuming. When you receive the Holy Spirit which transforms your whole life, as that is His purpose and one of many as part of the Trinity, there's no guessing or assuming, about it. And that's not being arrogant. People know when they receive the Holy Spirit and he is available to everyone on this Earth who invites Jesus into their hearts and lives as their Savior. It is a gift from God after confession of faith and repenting of sins, as He promised. It is not something one gets because they're special. This is available to anyone. We don't believe we're better or smarter than anyone else. God turns no one away who wants to come to him.

The Quaran, Geetha, and Thora cannot stand up against the Word of God. They have not the Holy Spirit, which only comes through Jesus, whom they deny is a Diety and Son of God. Why do people believe in idols, when they are clearly man-made, cannot hear, speak, nor see?? How will these Idols save them? That would be like me going to the store and buying a doll and worshiping it. I have yet for [b]one[/b] of you, who argue against God, to answer these questions. Somebody please answer these questions. Instead of asking and asking in disbelief, someone give some answers to our questions for a change.

@Renkon Questions for the Bhagavad Gita

1)If Krishna truly desired peace (BG,xiv), why did he give his army to Duryodhana and give himself as advisor and chariot driver to the Pandavas, Duryodhana’s enemies? If he truly desired peace, why did he command Arjuna to fight at least five times (BG 2.18, 39; 3.30; 8.7; 11.33-34)?

2)If Krishna is completely separate from the material world, why would he desire his followers to offer material things to him (BG 9.26-27) ?

3)Krishna urges Arjuna to “be relieved of the miseries of material existence” (BG 9.1). If Krishna created the material universe (BG Intro, 11), why did he create it to be so miserable?

4)Why does Krishna give conflicting commands to Arjuna? He tells Arjuna to fight and kill his enemies (family members), and then later says that if anyone wishes to come to him, he must be “friendly to every living being” (BG 11.55)? Later, Krishna says that if one wishes to be his devotee, he must be “a kind friend to all living entities” (BG 12.13). Furthermore, Krishna states that godly men will show “charity,” “nonviolence,” and “compassion for all living entities” (BG 16.3; see also 17.14 and the comments on 18.17). How do these commands harmonise with one another?

5)Who prescribed Krishna’s duties (BG 3.22-24)? If Krishna really is the “Supreme Personality of Godhead” (BG Intro, 29), who would have the authority to tell him what to do?

@Renkon Differences between the teachings of Krishna and Jesus

Krishna says:
BG 3.13 – Enjoying food is a sin.

Jesus says:
1 Timothy 4:4 – For [every food] created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving.

Krishna says:
BG 5.20-21 – Rejoicing because of something pleasant or lamenting because of somethingunpleasant is evil.

Jesus says:
Romans 12:14 – Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep.

Krishna says:
BG 6.10 – A holy person ought to live alone in a secluded place.

Jesus says:
Matthew 5:14-16 – “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden…Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

Krishna says:
BG 7.11 – Sex for pleasure is sin.

Jesus says:
God created sex to be good and enjoyed between a husband and wife.
Hebrews 4:13, Song of Solomon, 1 Cor. 7:2-5

Krishna says:
BG 8.13 – All sensual engagements are sin.

Jesus says:
Jeremiah 2:7 – “I brought you into a plentiful land to enjoy its fruits and its good things.”

Krishna says:
BG 16.16 – Hell is for those who enjoy the senses.

Jesus says:
1 Timothy 6:17 – God richly provides us with everything to enjoy.

Krishna says:
BG 6.15 – Heaven is the “cessation of existence.”

Jesus says:
Revelation 21:1-4 – Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the Holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “ Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.

@Renkon Differences in the person of Krishna and the person of Jesus

Krishna’s mercy depends on our [u]perfection[/u]
“A person free from all attachment and aversion and able to control his senses through regulative principles of freedom can obtain the complete mercy of the Lord” – BG 2.64

Jesus’ mercy depends on HIS perfection:
“He saved us, [u]not on the basis of deeds which we have done[/u] in righteousness, but according to His mercy” Titus 3:5.

Krishna desires destruction.
“To deliver the pious andto annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I myself appear, millennium after millennium.” – BG 4.8

“Time I am, the great destroyer of the worlds, and I have come here to destroy all people.” – BG 11.32

Jesus desires no-one to perish.
“The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.”- 2 Peter 3:9

Krishna claims to be death.
“I am all devouring death.” – BG 10.35

Jesus claims to be [b]light[/b]. All things good and healthy and nourishing to our souls:
“Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, ‘I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.'”. – John 8:12