How does the creationist accept that a DNA test shows they're related to their father but reject that a DNA test shows they're related to a chimp? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Carazaa The god of the Old Testament isn’t just. Here is what the loving god says about non believers.

Death to nonbelievers
2 Chronicles 15:13 “All who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.”
(It is unjust to punish someone simply for their opinions.)

More death to nonbelievers
Psalm 78:21–22, 31 “When the Lord heard them, he was furious; his fire broke out against Jacob, and his wrath rose against Israel, for they did not believe in God or trust in his deliverance. ... God’s anger rose against them; he put to death the sturdiest among them, cutting down the young men of Israel.”

Nonbelievers’ property (including wives) will be given away
Jeremiah 8:9–10 “Since they have rejected the word of the Lord, what kind of wisdom do they have? Therefore I will give their wives to other men and their fields to new owners.”

God kills and persecutes those who do not listen to him
Jeremiah 29:18–19 “And I will persecute them with the sword, with the famine, and with the pestilence, and will deliver them to be removed to all the kingdoms of the earth, to be a curse, and an astonishment, and an hissing, and a reproach, among all the nations whither I have driven them: Because they have not hearkened to my words, saith the Lord, which I sent unto them by my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them; but ye would not hear, saith the Lord.”

A skeptic was trampled to death
2 Kings 7:19–20 “The officer had said to the man of God, ‘Look, even if the Lord should open the floodgates of the heavens, could this happen?’ The man of God had replied, ‘You will see it with your own eyes, but you will not eat any of it!’ And that is exactly what happened to him, for the people trampled him in the gateway, and he died.”

Skeptics will be burned
Jeremiah 5:12–14 “They have belied the Lord, and said, It is not he; neither shall evil come upon us; neither shall we see sword nor famine: And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them. Wherefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.”

To punish someone less severely than is deserved by the crime is mercy. To punish them more severely is unjust.

And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. ... Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. (Leviticus 26:21, 26:28)

The Lord Jealous should listen to his own prophet: “The unjust knows no share” (Zephaniah 3:5).

@BlueSkyKing Wrath is a sin. Therefore God is a sinner.

@canusernamebemyusername Nah, he can't sin, he's the origin of morality. God is always just. It's like Louis said: "La loi c'est moi!". Oh... and judge dredd said it too. Just in a cooler way.

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@LordShadowfire Biblical prophecies are so vague and metaphorical, it's not difficult to interpret one or more to fit almost any actual event.

She claimed the birth of Jesus was precisely prophesised in the bible but even now, supposedly post facto, no one can say when it occurred.

@CopperCicada Nice graph. When all Europe had converted to christianity around AD 1400 all crime went down.

@Carazaa
Breaking wind again Carazaa

@newjaninev2 Good posts. She only wants the emperor with no clothes. But at least we may have stirred up curiosity in someone else,

"If you don't understand how something works, never mind: just give up and say God did it. You don't know how the nerve impulse works? Good! You don't understand how memories are laid down in the brain? Excellent! Is photosynthesis a bafflingly complex process? Wonderful! Please don't go to work on the problem, just give up, and appeal to God.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

@Carazaa I don’t need to love you. I simply don’t care what you think of me.

You have lied to me, and you continue to do so.

You make unsupported claims, and when confronted with evidence you run away from that evidence.

You choose abject ignorance over knowledge and understanding, and you urge others to do likewise.

But it’s not all bad news... at least you now accept that chimps and humans have common ancestry (as do all living organisms), and that common ancestry results from a 3.5 billion year history of evolution by Natural Selection

@newjaninev2 She claims to have a Master degree in science.

@DocSavage lol sorry chimps.

@DocSavage

And as the Infinite Monkey Theorem suggests they're still trying to type works other than...

@newjaninev2 I don't think you would need to know that, but I understand why you might think so. The seeds would be tailored to find and exploit specific, favorable conditions.

Matthew 13: 1-9

"1 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea.

2 Such large crowds gathered around Him that He got into a boat and sat down, while all the people stood on the shore.

3 And He told them many things in parables, saying, “A farmer went out to sow his seed.

4 And as he was sowing, some seed fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured it.

5 Some fell on rocky ground, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly because the soil was shallow.

6 But when the sun rose, the seedlings were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.

7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the seedlings.

8 Still other seed fell on good soil and produced a crop—a hundredfold, sixtyfold, or thirtyfold.

9 He who has ears,a let him hear.”

@GerOttman Folk tales aside, you’d need to know all future environmental conditions if you had a specific goal in mind. If you wanted to seed your genome, then you could transfer your genome to another planet... but it would quickly stop being your genome.

Remember, what happens isn’t just evolution... it’s evolution by Natural Selection, and that involves the environment.

Even more complex is that the term environment encompasses all environments in which the DNA seeks to replicate... including the environment of other genes, some of which will change unforeseeably anyway, in that every replication contains ‘errors’ e.g. every human is born with an average of 193 genetic mutations that weren’t inherited, but which arose during replication. The vast majority of them are neutral, but during replication they may meet the other person’s genetic ‘errors’.

What I’m saying is that if you want to seed and achieve a specific goal, you’re going to need total control and every replication will need to be audited and shielded from any other species which is itself evolving... you end up with a clone in a plastic bubble.

@newjaninev2 Look I understand what you are saying, I just disagree with almost all of it. Have a good one!

@Carazaa Anyone who disagrees with you is harassing you. Anyone who shows evidence that contradicts your claims is a bully. Anyone who has the temerity to bring you face-to-face with reality can automatically be ignored.

Is that your position?

@newjaninev2
She’ll have to stand up first

@FreeSpirit1 lol yeah i hear ya.

@Pikachu Don't be a turd? 😇 I don't know whether to laugh, heart, or be mad. I so happy that you are continuing reading. You are faster than me. My excuse is I work full time, and English is not my primary language 😉

@Carazaa All life is related, we are very distant ancestors of bananas

@JimboSaturn

Some more closely than others.

@LordShadowfire LOL! You could be right. 🤣

@DocSavage She's blocked me again as well. :) God won't be very pleased with her. Isn't she meant to be spreading his word among us infidels? Or is that just an excuse xtians use to harrass people?

@DocSavage I'm a member of Carazaa's block club too. :)

@mylasttimehere

lol if it doesn't matter to you then it doesn't matter to you. That's ok.

@Pikachu maybe resemblance yes, but related i disagree with

@1490wayb The genetic evidence is clear and unassailable

@1490wayb

Well you're certainly entitled to disagree but perhaps then you can answer the question posed here.
At what point does DNA stop showing that two things are related and how do you justify that cut off?

@1490wayb
I actually don't know much about Darwin as a person. But i imagine it's quite possible that accepted the possibility of or believed in a god.
I personally don't believe in a god but i accept the possibility that such an entity exists.
It's just that if it created life then it undeniably did so using evolution as the mechanism.

@1490wayb Charles Darwin’s personal views (I have no idea what they were in this case) are irrelevant to discussions of evolution, DNA, and science in general.

There are no authorities in science.

@1490wayb
Darwin considered himself an agnostic. He still believed that a god created the universe, and was the ultimate lawgiver. But he gave up on Christianity and religion.
There was a rumor that he renounced his theory on his deathbed, and accepted Jesus. But that was debunked by his children who were there.

@Pikachu What do you mean how badly we treat them?

@Carazaa We cage them.

@LordShadowfire So they have a chance when their habitat disappears, yeah.