What do you think of the Trump administration ignoring the Fifth Amendment when it comes to immigrants?

@Roadsterrider The question should be, "what process is 'due'"?

There's room for different definitions under different circumstances.

@MistyCee

" ... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."

Deporting an illegal resident doesn't deprive them of life, liberty or property. They are free to enjoy all of the above, but not within the US where they don't have legal status. If an illegal resident is prosecuted for a crime he/she would then be afforded the due process.

@Heartlander Cute, but when you snatch them to deport them, you're denying them liberty.

You mignt get somewhere with that for voluntary deportations, but not for anyone taken involuntarily, detained, etc.

@Platinum True. But pretending what is happening in the US is about illegal immigration is just deliberately dishonest.


And again. refugees are LEGAL immigrants.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow the question was about immigrants not refugees

@Platinum Refugees are a category of immigrant. Pretending they are separate is again dishonest.

@MistyCee You can't name any because he hasn't broken any laws regarding this situation. The hollow claims you make are just that, hollow, without merit and are now just BS leftist talking points. Newsflash...no one is listening any longer. The lies are no longer accepted as fact within the ranks of normal free thinking people. They are of course accepted as gospel truth only within the ranks of the looney left.

@carpediem This situation, as in ignoring the 14th Amendment when it comes to immigrants?

OP just gave you a page full of cites indicating that "persons", including aliens, are entitled to due process under the 14th Amendment.


Of course, those might all have been "loony left" judges over the past two centuries, and they may not have correctly interpreted the plain text so as to allow for Herr Trump's absolute executive supremacy.

It is quite possible that, out of fear, greed, or other motivation, six Justices will decide that the 14th Amendment doesn't mean what it says, or that it says something other than what we've thought it meant since it was written.

And if it does, maybe Trump didn't break any laws. Or maybe, they'll finally come out and say, "if the President does it, it can't be illegal."

Until then, though, I'm sticking with the "radical left" concept that the Constitution guarantees due process to all persons, and not just MAGA followers.

@MistyCee Not when the Alien Enemies Act is invoked as it is for certain illegals. Maybe you forgot about that.

Also If a judge issues a final order of removal, ICE is responsible for executing the deportation. Many of the current deportees have been issued orders already. Capturing illegals and sending them to a processing center is also valid (Alligator Alcatraz). But you are correct, judges have made the horrid acts of open borders very difficult. This is the EXACT reason to NEVER elect another democrat into the presidency. Thanks for making that so clear. They don't follow the immigration laws.

Also, your referral to Trump as Hitler did not go unnoticed . The rhetoric from you lefties is terrible.

@Iwillwait how does work during the hearing to determine whether or not someone is a citizen? I think the constitution explicitly says person rather than citizen because you can't make the differentiation before the end of such cases.

@OriginalNedKelly Here's a bit from SCOTUS' ruling on Mathews v. Diaz 1976 including citations of prior rulings.

Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.

Thank you, SCOTUS for being clear, unambiguous, and leaving zero wiggle room.

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Always have that's how it works anywhere with constitutions. Not like your right to a fair trial vanishes if you stay a day over on a visa.

@BorealPedant get off the crack son..
I’m Australian and I know your constitution better..
Your prestigious education system is a failure

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Dunno what to tell you that's just how laws work. They apply to everyone unless it says otherwise.

@BorealPedant I would not put it past them.

Most people do not even know what that one is. I looked that up some time ago and thought, "Was that ever actually a problem?" Maybe it happened in Britain.

For everyone else -

@swirlie Yes they are criminals. If you break any law you are a criminal.

@kodiac
No, they are not criminals. Being in the USA illegally is not a criminal act according to the US Constitution, which is a document you should take the time to read some day.

@swirlie Illegal Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. It applies to people who do not enter with proper inspection at a port of entry, such as those who enter between ports of entry, avoid examination or inspection, or who make false statements while entering or attempting to enter. A first offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, up to six months in prison, or both.

@Ferise1 More technically, it is the 5th amendment to the American constitution.

There are a few elements to it, of course Elwood mentioned the part that is relevant here.

@HoeBag yes I know it was 5th amendment to the American constitution.🙄 I want to know what it is

@Ferise1 There is this new thing called "google" one can use to get an idea.
But in case you do not know what google is, I went ahead and did some research, it took 10 seconds, and came up with this -