What do you think of the Trump administration ignoring the Fifth Amendment when it comes to immigrants?
By @LordShadowfire
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BorealPedant · 41-45, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Always have that's how it works anywhere with constitutions. Not like your right to a fair trial vanishes if you stay a day over on a visa.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
@BorealPedant get off the crack son..
I’m Australian and I know your constitution better..
Your prestigious education system is a failure
I’m Australian and I know your constitution better..
Your prestigious education system is a failure
BorealPedant · 41-45, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Dunno what to tell you that's just how laws work. They apply to everyone unless it says otherwise.
BrandNewMan · 61-69, M
@BorealPedant Not really accurate
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/
https://www.heritage.org/border-security/report/due-process-and-aliens-what-they-are-and-are-not-entitled-immigration
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/
https://www.heritage.org/border-security/report/due-process-and-aliens-what-they-are-and-are-not-entitled-immigration
BorealPedant · 41-45, M
@BrandNewMan Sure - if I traveled to the US the big thing is my stay is subject to visa restrictions. I can't freely enter and leave like a citizen, and I can't take employment or be a student or a few other things due to visa restrictions.
But if you look at the bill of rights, those rights apply to foreigners regardless of visa status - in theory. Obviously the reality is different that's the entire point of this post.
But if you look at the bill of rights, those rights apply to foreigners regardless of visa status - in theory. Obviously the reality is different that's the entire point of this post.
BrandNewMan · 61-69, M
@BorealPedant Clinton and Obama both restricted due process in order to expedite deportations during their presidencies. Including elimination of hearings.
How exactly is what Trump is doing different then .. other than now you dont like it because its him?
Wise up.
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How exactly is what Trump is doing different then .. other than now you dont like it because its him?
Wise up.
BorealPedant · 41-45, M
@BrandNewMan Yeah you proved my point. If the constitution didn't apply then the laws wouldn't be necessary. Those laws restrict due process in specific circumstances, not all of them.
Where the laws do not restrict those rights, the constitution rules. That's how laws work.
But like... be honest, it's fine. This game of "oh but the law says this" is in bad faith. What the law says is irrelevant - the law enforcement officers are doing what they want because the point is eliminating people from society, not respecting the law.
Where the laws do not restrict those rights, the constitution rules. That's how laws work.
But like... be honest, it's fine. This game of "oh but the law says this" is in bad faith. What the law says is irrelevant - the law enforcement officers are doing what they want because the point is eliminating people from society, not respecting the law.