What do you think of the Trump administration ignoring the Fifth Amendment when it comes to immigrants?
By @LordShadowfire
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Adstar · 56-60, M
All the rights delivered in the US constitution where and are provided for the citizens of the USA.. Illegal immigrants within the borders of the USA are NOT citizens of the USA.. Therefore the rights provided by the US constitution do not apply to them..
@Adstar so you're telling me you haven't read the Constitution you're so proud of? Here, let me help you:
Can you take a screenshot and circle the word "citizen" for us?
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Can you take a screenshot and circle the word "citizen" for us?
Adstar · 56-60, M
@NerdyPotato Why should i read the US constitution? I'm not an American.. Why would i be proud or ashamed of a Constitution that rules over another nation?
I do not need to see any reference to a word ""citizen"" Basic knowledge is that national constitutions are a sets of laws over citizens of particular nations.. All the laws in the Australian constitution rule over me an Australian citizen.. All the laws of the German constitution rule over the citizens of Germany.. This is basic 101 knowledge to any clear thinking individual.. But for leftist woke brain washed intellectually challenged people like you..... Simple truths just fly over your challenged special needs head..
I do not need to see any reference to a word ""citizen"" Basic knowledge is that national constitutions are a sets of laws over citizens of particular nations.. All the laws in the Australian constitution rule over me an Australian citizen.. All the laws of the German constitution rule over the citizens of Germany.. This is basic 101 knowledge to any clear thinking individual.. But for leftist woke brain washed intellectually challenged people like you..... Simple truths just fly over your challenged special needs head..
@Adstar ah, my bad about being proud of it then. But you're mistaken about national constitutions only applying to citizens. Some parts do indeed, but other parts apply to everyone residing in the country. And in the American constitution, the fifth amendment explicitly applies to any person, not just citizens.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@NerdyPotato I agree that "person" refers to citizens and non-citizens. All are equal under the law. When someone comes into the country, they receive a Notice to Appear, this notice is for a hearing to fix an immigration status, very few ever appear, they passed on their chance for due process. When they didn't appear, any status they had was revoked and deportation ordered. Sometimes it is easier to ask forgiveness than permission, but in the case of illegal immigration, they passed a chance for due process when they snuck into the country, and they passed up the chance for due process when they blew off their court date. They have made it a game of "catch me if you can".
@Roadsterrider that doesn't explain why people who are showing up for their court date are arrested for deportation at the court house before their hearing though. And it's essential for a judge to confirm they waved their right, otherwise the same issue I pointed out earlier arises: everyone can just be accused of that and suffer the consequences wether the accusation is true or not.