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TARRIFFS...THOUGHTS???

I can see a negative impact on American Consumers.
What solution could be in place as to not cause a terrible impact, food, gas, hardline or softline merchandise?
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Reason10 · 70-79, M
So far, all PRESIDENT TRUMP has done is use tariffs to influence the behavior of two countries who have been letting illegal alien criminals and fentanyl cross our borders illegally. And those tariff THREATS have brought both Canada and Mexico to the table.

No actual tariffs have been put into place.

But if you want to get totally far left HYSTERICAL and act like it would impact food, gasoline and other merch, that assumes you think ALL America's consumer goods are made elsewhere and we import EVERYTHING we need.

You didn't get the memo that America HAS domestic energy, oil refineries, etc. (WE TAUGHT THE REST OF THE FCKING WORLD HOW TO USE GASOLINE.) America has FARMS and CATTLE RANCHES. We actually produce OUR OWN FOOD. Gee!

KKKalifornia is allegedly home to the big computer companies, which is where software is created. So far, no one has suggested KKKalifornia is a separate country.

You sound hysterical.

That fits with my theory that most of you here are children. Most of you here are millennials, who have no idea what you're talking about. You've never lived any real life. You've had everything given to you. And your sole source of information are these farting cows.

RageAgainstTheMachine · 41-45, M
@Reason10 How many groups of individuals do you have to blame for your failures? Millennials are now the problem? Once the Baby Boomers die the United States will be a better place; you are 70 already.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Reason10 America did not invent the internal-combustion engine or the motor-car though! (German) [Nor sex...]

Your country's best bet may be to use taxes not to limit imports but to encourage companies, especially if American-owned, to invest in America so manufacturing domestically becomes competitive with manufacturing overseas.

The problem with import taxes then comes if you levy them on raw materials you do not have. That immediately raises the domestic use cost. They are two-edged sword.
Reason10 · 70-79, M
@ArishMell America did not invent the internal-combustion engine or the motor-car though! (German) [Nor sex...]

I never said it did. Here's my quote: (WE TAUGHT THE REST OF THE FCKING WORLD HOW TO USE GASOLINE.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/history-of-gasoline.php Edwin Drake dug the first crude oil well in Pennsylvania in 1859 and distilled the oil to produce kerosene for lighting. Although other petroleum products, including gasoline, were also produced in the distillation process, Drake had no use for the gasoline and other products, so he discarded them. It wasn't until 1892, with the invention of the automobile, that gasoline was recognized as a valuable fuel. By 1920, 9 million vehicles powered by gasoline were on the road, and service stations selling gasoline were opening around the country. Today, gasoline is the fuel for nearly all light-duty vehicles in the United States.

In Trump's last administration he successfully used Tariffs to stop China and other trading partners from ripping us off. As a result, American job growth EXPLODED as companies yanked their factories from the far east and built them here in America. The corporate tax cuts helped, too.

PRESIDENT TRUMP used the tariff THREATS to get Canada and Mexico involved in keeping those illegal alien ANIMALS from crossing our borders and bringing in fentanyl, human trafficking, and other crimes. And those tariffs were successful.

This country has a REAL president at the helm. And he's the best president of this century. He's done more good for America than ALL DemoNazi presidents combined.
eMortal · M
The reason for tariffs is to force citizens to buy local because imported good would be too expensive.
I understand the intent but it's badly executed.
I think it's the housing market that fucked up the US economy.
Inflated rent and house prices pushed workers to ask for better pay. CEO and shareholders just thought the solution was to ship manufacturing jobs oversea.
The solution is to implement tight regulations in the housing market. If investors play balls, let them. Soon a new kind of investors will show up; the kind that is not motivated by "get rich quick" schemes.
Oil prices affect the housing market a lot. We need to solve that issue too. Where is the think tank? We need a "Newer Deal" !! Where is Teddy?! Summon him from the grave!
@eMortal 1. Tariffs:
You're right—tariffs aim to protect domestic industries by making imports more expensive. However, they often have unintended consequences like retaliatory tariffs, increased costs for consumers, and inefficiencies in protected industries. The execution can sometimes feel more like a blunt instrument than a surgical tool.

2. Housing Market:
The housing crisis is a major factor in economic instability. Skyrocketing rents and home prices put immense pressure on workers, leading to wage demands that businesses, especially those reliant on low-margin operations, struggle to meet. Instead of addressing structural issues like affordable housing, many companies offshored jobs to cut costs, which hollowed out local economies.

3. Labor Offshoring:
CEOs and shareholders prioritized short-term profits, often ignoring the long-term societal impacts of offshoring. This weakened the middle class, reduced domestic consumption power, and created a feedback loop of economic inequality.

4. Housing Regulation:
Tight regulations on speculative real estate investment could stabilize the market. Incentivizing long-term ownership over short-term flipping and discouraging absentee landlordism could help. Countries like Germany have models worth examining, with strong tenant protections and less speculative housing markets.

5. Oil Prices & Broader Impact:
Oil prices affect not just transportation but also construction costs, heating, and industrial production. A volatile energy market feeds into housing costs. Transitioning to renewable energy could decouple housing from oil price shocks and create more stable economic conditions.

6. A “Newer Deal”:
You’re channeling that Rooseveltian energy! A modern New Deal would need to tackle climate change, housing, labor rights, and digital infrastructure. Where’s our 21st-century Teddy or FDR? Maybe it’s not about one leader but collective political will. The think tanks are out there—Roosevelt Institute, Economic Policy Institute—but they need public momentum to push their ideas into action.
eMortal · M
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
The proper use of tariffs is to promote local production as opposed to imports. But it seems the gloves are off with this US provocation. And they have violated their own free trade agreements. Canada has a couple of nuclear options in electicity supply and oil. Neither of which have options. and both of which are essential. Just jack up the price,. Say 25%. Then allow the tarrif to be applied and watch both strangle the US economy and send inflation through the roof. (US Crude oil requires the addition of Canadian to be processed for use as gasoline (as you people call it)😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Northwest And stepping back to the big picture. Such cooperation shouild happen automatically. Thats using the resources in the best way..😷
Northwest · M
@whowasthatmaskedman And that's the way it should happen.

I don't blame you if you're confused, because even the MAGAs in my state don't understand what's going on.

When we were out of power for up to a couple of weeks, they were whining and threatening over the BC Power "owning" our power company, and what the hell are all those BC Power trucks doing in our neighborhoods.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@JimboSaturn Canada was very clear what the retaliation would be if he went forward with the tariffs: targeted tariffs on Red States and MAGA. Orange Juice, Bourbon, agricultural products from the Midwest. All focused on Trump's base.
tRump's tariff threats were bluffs, and when the bluffs were called by Canada & Mexico, and US stock markets went into free-fall, tRump backed down in exchange for some face-saving symbolic gestures.

For example, the 10,000 Mexican troops at the border had already been negotiated by Biden in 2021! See https://apnews.com/article/guatemala-honduras-mexico-immigration-border-patrols-917c0fea87c0a807b371da207d34c8cc

Canada made some nice noises about fentanyl, but almost all of it is carried by US citizens thru standard checkpoints on the southern border.

tRump's bluffs were called so he backed down. That's the truth.
Reason10 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues
Pretty much all of that post is a LIE.
@Reason10 DEAD WRONG!! As usual!!!

tRump tariffs were a bluff. When Canada & Mexico called the bluff, US stock markets went into free-fall, and tRump backed down.

Mexico's 10,000 troops? Biden won that concession in 2021, now tRump is taking credit😂🤣
https://apnews.com/article/guatemala-honduras-mexico-immigration-border-patrols-917c0fea87c0a807b371da207d34c8cc

Canada agreed to appoint a "fentanyl czar," plus
Trudeau noted that Canada is implementing its $1.3 billion border plan to reinforce the border with new equipment and personnel.

“Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border,” Trudeau said.

Notice that "Canada is implementing" phrase?? It's because it was a pre-existing plan from last December!
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safety-canada/news/2024/12/the-government-of-canadas-border-plan-significant-investments-to-strengthen-border-security-and-our-immigration-system.html

Notice that "are and will be" wording?? That's right, the big "concession" here is that Canada will maintain the same number of border personnel😂
@Adrift Yes it was on the news, straight from the mouth of Trump's "border czar" (a term which the Republicans used to hate) Tom Homan.

So far, not a single news station has been able to verify this.
MyGirlPhotoswell · 61-69, M
Of course tariffs would have a negative impact on American consumers, but no more than every other tax does. What do you suppose a gallon of gasoline e would be without Federal, State, and local taxes on it?
@MyGirlPhotoswell Your argument makes no sense. How much do you suppose a gallon of gasoline will be now, with Federal, State, Local taxes AND the tariffs?
MyGirlPhotoswell · 61-69, M
@Mesthartiya no sense? The point, and one I hope you are intentionally pretending to miss, is that tariffs are nothing but a tax.
@MyGirlPhotoswell Yes, no sense! They may be nothing but a tax, but this "tax" is now going to be added onto the Federal, State, and Local taxes. In other words, Higher Taxes!
nedkelly · 61-69, M
I believe that Trump is trying to balance the impact, most countries sell more products to American than they purchase from America
MasterLee · 56-60, M
It is so working lol
4meAndyou · F
Having watched about three hours of financial analysis, it appears that countries which have had tariffs levied against them ALWAYS lower their prices.
There won’t be any tariffs of any consequence, we’re already seeing that all of the targeted countries have negotiated with the United States to suspend tariffs and ultimately they will be withdrawn
Gibbon · 70-79, M
@Onestarlitnight True. Just need to convince @JimboSaturn his take is completely wrong. But then again why waste the effort.
redredred · M
Tarriffs are a weapon. They rarely survive long and mostly they are used as a negotiating tool to get concessions.
Wiseacre · F
@redredred true statements
Adding online commerce to the list, how about that?
There will be a lot of TDS hot air blown around on this. But watch who blinks first.

ArishMell · 70-79, M
Perhaps taxes that encourage US domestic investment by US companies, rather than taxing imports including raw materials not available in the country?
graphite · 61-69, M
Canada and Mexico have already surrendered to the Master Trump. What will Democrats and their "news" media do now?🤣
JimBeam · M
@graphite

They will pretend they never said anything about it.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Not seeing any downside
Wiseacre · F
@MasterLee just u wait...
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Wiseacre ok waiting
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
No solution required nothing is wrong
Wiseacre · F
@JimboSaturn give ur head a shake!!
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@Wiseacre there is no need for tarlffs
Wiseacre · F
@JimboSaturn I don't get ur answ.
Turns out it was Trump's April Fools joke.
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JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays He wants to make Canada a 51st state, it has nothing to do with fentanyl since less than 1% comes from Canada. Mexico and Canada gave him a chance to save face by doing things that were already in the works. He blinked. 63% of all vegetables and 47% of all fruit sold in the US comes from Mexico. Counter tariffs would cause massive inflation in the US
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Wiseacre · F
Well, Americans voted for him, now deal with it!
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Moneyonmymind · 31-35, M
Can someone explain why tariffs are a good thing?
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Moneyonmymind negotiation tool. Canada and Mexico already capitulated.
Moneyonmymind · 31-35, M
@MasterLee true
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@nedkelly amazing, is it not, the demonocrats finally met a tax they did not like!
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@sunsporter1649 now had biden done it...
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Wiseacre · F
@jshm2 I had the same thoughts..he is trying to instill fear in us all simply bc he can.

 
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