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Will the USA remain as a democracy if Project 2025 prevails?

If someone were to try to subvert the US Constitution would the current US Supreme Court re-direct the submissions back to the tenets of the Constitution - OR is there a 'loophole' where absolute power to the Presidency can be granted??
What is the legal limitation / authority of Congress to maintain the tri-partite "Separation of Powers" in status-quo if a President were to try to shift the balance from rule by legislated law to rule by executive order? From the article in the link, the suggestion is that President Trump will be trying to remodel the government so only his directives will be law and he will be able to act without consulting Congress.

The first link below speaks to "Project 2025" and Trump trying to deny his association to it during the election, but now engaging with its author (and previous Presidential councillor) to forcefully enact a similar strategy as Project 2025 promotes.

The second, third and fourth links simply give you (the reader) the background information about the agency and people reporting on the first link.

1/ [media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IarFFEdvEHM]
2/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Now!
3/ https://www.propublica.org/people/molly-redden
4/ https://muckrack.com/mtredden

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specman · 51-55, M

Democrats have shoved their agenda down Republicans throats they just haven’t named what they do! That was ok when it was them?

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specman · 51-55, M

@SatanBurger that means a lot coming from you! Lol

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SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP

@Handfull1 They catastrophize a lot and I'm honestly being serious, many need to get checked for panic disorder. Catastrophizing is the number one sign of an anxiety disorder. Acceptance therapy can help tremendously but I don't think they'll listen.

Patriot96 · 56-60, C

You might try reading some history including the constitution. Stop watching cnn, msnbc

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@Patriot96 Don't believe what you see and can read for yourself.

DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M

@Patriot96 MSNBC's viewership has dropped 47% since the election.

Patriot96 · 56-60, C

@DallasCowboysFan now they have 3 viewers

akindheart · 61-69, F

Did the country survive after the Lincoln Project? all radical liberals...the answer is yes.

MistyCee

Honestly, I can't bring myself to read anything more at the moment about Project 25 and the plan to make America Great Again through authoritarian rule.

However, I will say this. The number of people who want all of this garbage to actually succeed is much smaller than it might appear.

For most, including Trump, this is mostly a short term scam to grab money and power.

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@MistyCee It's definitely a plan to grab money....that's Trumps idol.

calicuz · 56-60, M

There is no absolute power with the Constitution in place. All Supreme Court Rulings can be reversed over time, just like Roe v Wade. So for there to be absolute power the Constitution must be done away with.

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BohemianBabe · M

@specman

He was never convicted for that was he?

Of course not, he was born into the upper-class. The rich and powerful are above the law.
This goes into a much bigger problem about systemic classism. However, when it comes specifically to the presidency, the Republicans and the Democrats should have come together to ban all of the 1/6 Republicans from holding office. The Democrats tried to do this by impeaching Trump, and a few Republicans actually did the right thing. But the majority of Republicans, being fascist, sided with Trump.
This is why the Constitution has become useless.

calicuz · 56-60, M

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout

Not sure I understand you. Are you saying one doesn't need a constitution?

calicuz · 56-60, M

@specman

I haven't read the ruling, but my guess is the ruling simply states that the Federal Government can't force the banks to forgive the loans. If any loans are going to be forgiven, the Federal Government must step in and pay those loans off for the American people.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

People here NEED some further links because they have no idea what is even in that document nor who else does support it ..

Full mandate...
https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Who else supports them;

https://www.heritage.org/about-heritage/mission

Coalition of partners
https://www.heritage.org/staff/kevin-roberts-phd
https://www.heritage.org/press/project-2025-reaches-100-coalition-partners-continues-grow-preparation-next-president

Center for Immigration Studies, Moms for Liberty, Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, Tea Party Patriots, Turning Point USA and America First Legal Foundation, which is headed by Stephen Miller, a former Trump senior adviser.

Who funds them and what they are about.

https://www.project2025.org/about/about-project-2025/
https://www.project2025.org/about/advisory-board/

Chapter by chapter of authors:
https://www.project2025.org/news/press-releases/project-2025-publishes-comprehensive-policy-guide-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise/

History of the project from 1981 during the Reagan administration.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55655034-mandate-2020

Notable authors

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/a-guide-to-project-2025/

notable authors of this most recent version include Dr. Ben Carson, Christopher Miller and Russ Vought, who are all former Cabinet secretaries under Trump. Carson, who wrote the book’s chapter on housing, was the secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development; Miller, who wrote the chapter on defense, was an acting secretary of the Department of Defense; and Vought, who directed the Office of Management and Budget, wrote the chapter about the executive of the U.S. president

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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

As many right wingers confirmed to me BEFORE the recent election, the US is NOT a democracy now. Nor was it then,..And thats from the horses mouth,. Now if you are OK with that, thats fine with me..Just know what you are getting. And if you dont like it, find another place to live..😷

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@whowasthatmaskedman Don't!! Don't suggest to them the option of finding another place to live.... they'll come to Canada and we have enough right wingers up here now.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@JollyRoger I can see you have been watching the Handmaids Tale, later series.. And I have bad news. THOSE are the LEFT wingers. The the Right stayed home and composed Project 2025 and are getting ready to move into government and public sector jobs.😷

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@whowasthatmaskedman I see the writing on that wall!

Rolexeo · 26-30, M

The left's predictions never come true, Trump was already president. The right has a track record of predicting the future. But we're the crazy ones.

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JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@Diotrephes I was hoping the Constitution was immutable to the point that the President/ SCOTUS could not subvert the Congress.... but I didn't know that.

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easterniowegin · 51-55, M

What specific items within 2025 are anti-democracy or authoritarian in nature??

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SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP

@easterniowegin

Yeah, Im sure they are wanting this for moral reasons. Sort of like why prostitution is illegal in most states.

if you can't ensure that women and children aren't exploited by an activity, then the overall activity might not be necessary or viable. Collateral damage is unacceptable.

Marriage can be harmful to kids and women in a lot of ways so by your logic should we ban it?

easterniowegin · 51-55, M

@SatanBurger That's a terrible analogy.

Marriage is great for most....porn benefits who??? The depraved ?!
Porn harms every child that is impacted/involved. Frankly, you could argue that porn harms all adults also.

BohemianBabe · M

@easterniowegin

porn benefits who??? The depraved ?!

Look at you, pretending you don't watch porn. 😝

Frankly, you could argue that porn harms all adults also.

How?

ViciDraco · 36-40, M

It's possible it won't, but it's likely that it will. Republicans have held an edge in a lot of places thanks to undemocratic practices. This just kind of puts the fiber on the scale a little more. But if they screw up governance well enough, and if they give Trump free reign then they will, then democrats will likely win again and start undoing damage.

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ViciDraco · 36-40, M

@calicuz That's basically been the cycle since I've been old enough to vote. Democrats stabilize the system and set it up for growth and then we elect Republicans who cash out the long term stability for short term windfalls and then we give it back to democrats when things are starting to go to shit and then blame them for not fixing it immediately.

Trump and Project 2025 are just setting up to speedrun the process in one term instead of two.

calicuz · 56-60, M

@ViciDraco

Yes, but I agree with those who say the Democratic party needs to move away from the Corpratist Dems and get back to a working man's Democratic Party.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@ViciDraco I am sure they will keep calling it a Democracy, not matter what..Even though it isnt.😷

MrBrownstone · 46-50, M

Well the US is a constitutional republic.

Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M

A bit concerned that Russia will launch an ICBM at New York tomorrow.

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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@Tastyfrzz Thats logical of course. But landing and storing a nuke is way more difficult than just sailing one in in a shipping container.😷

Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M

@whowasthatmaskedman they moved it in in a diplomat van.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@Tastyfrzz My Nuclear physics isnt up to commenting on how good surveilence would be at detecting such things, or the amount of care something like that would take. But it seems difficult to keep it secret..😷

Nitedoc · 51-55, M

Project 2025 will never happen. If they start that we will have massive violent upheavals nationwide.

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Nitedoc · 51-55, M

@Patriot96 I know. It was all BS.

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@Nitedoc I'm leaving my 'neutral' position to comment here: The underlying issue here is that now the principal proponent for "Project 2025" is Russell Vought who President Trump has (apparently) appointed to the Office of Management and Budget. This appointment clearly shows that Trump wants changes made to the way money is disbursed with the government AND as "Project 2025" is the proposed means of controlling government spending, then it follows that Trump is in favor of implementing ideas that Vought proposes. That's the scary part! My question is: Can Congress effectively control/neutralize this OR would the Supreme Court permit it and render Congress powerless?

Nitedoc · 51-55, M

@JollyRoger It's up to Congress first and they will shoot it down. If it gets to the Supreme Court I think they will reject it after some consideration.

laotzu92 · 70-79, M

I understood it was Obama who intended to rule by "phone and pen".
By the way, do you take the self-congratulatory term "civil servants" (overpaid deep-state bureaucrats) seriously?

ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M

If it is put totally into effect, no, the US will become a dictatorship.

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

Democracy isn't as fragile as people seem to enjoy pretending it is.

TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP

Is project 25 in the room with us now? 🤔

masterofyou · 70-79, M

I think you have your own issues to worry about.....

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@masterofyou Yes. We Canadians have a mini-tRump candidate on our 'right' wing. He has lots of derogatory statements to make about the sitting government and promises lots of changes.... the problem is: He hasn't given us any inkling of HOW he will be able to fund the changes he wants to make. Sort of like buying a 'pig-in-a-poke' (if you know the metaphor). I run from people who can't find some 'good' in even the worst of political situations: This guy is looking to ride on the coat-tails of tRump's strategy - "IF you say 'shit is good' loud enough and often enough, people will eventually think it is good and gobble it up."

masterofyou · 70-79, M

@JollyRoger Stick with your problems we will do with out your interference .....

aboveaverageaveragejoe · 51-55, M

The US isn't a democracy, it's a republic.

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JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@swirlie If anyone else but you had said that I wouldn't believe them....

swirlie · 31-35, F

@JollyRoger
I speak the truth! I know everything because I'm a card-carrying member in good standing of Truth Social. Judgement day is coming.

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@swirlie Then, I guess I'll see you on "the other side of the veil"!

DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/28/rachel-maddow-is-dragging-msnbc-down-with-her/

swirlie · 31-35, F

Will the USA remain as a democracy? No, absolutely not. Project 2025 is the brainchild of Putin, not Trump and not the right-wing of American politics either. Putin has already publicly stated numerous times that "America's version of Democracy is a farce" and he's about to prove it to Americans.

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@swirlie The reality is Project 2025 is a wish list of what Republicans have said they wanted to do for a few decades. It's not new; it's just the first it was written down, indexed, and bound. Sadly, Putin didn't have to have a hand in it. There was enough anti-American Americans to do all the work.

laotzu92 · 70-79, M

@swirlie He must have somehow addled your brain as well.

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JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@Prison1203 So: I guess you missed that Russell Vought is being considered as the Director for the Office of Management and Budget. Vought is now the lead person on the Project 2025 thesis. So, if Trump pushes for this appointment it clearly shows that Trump wants changes made to the way money is disbursed with the government AND as "Project 2025" is the proposed means of controlling government spending, then it follows that Trump is in favor of implementing ideas that Vought proposes. DOESN'T IT FOLLOW THAT TRUMP DOES HAVE SOME INTEREST IN PROJECT 2025??
Am I still 'the idiot' in this discussion or do you concede and retract?

Prison1203 · 61-69, M

@JollyRoger I guess you missed the part where Trump said he wants nothing to do with project 2025 and has denounced it

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@Prison1203 Oh... I know what he says! But do you look at what he does?? So: Is Vought still on the candidates list???
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/22/politics/russell-vought-office-management-budget-director/index.html

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Musicman · 61-69, MVIP

@Frostcloud It was made up by the Democrats trying to steal even one vote away from Trump. It didn't work though.

Frostcloud · F

@Musicman delulu

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M

@Musicman see my comment! It started during the Reagan presidency!

If you have doubts follow the links yourself!

It's not going away after over 40 years of existence, no matter how badly you wish to ignore it.

Just the coalition of partners should convince you if you have any doubts.

Center for Immigration Studies, Moms for Liberty, Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, Tea Party Patriots, Turning Point USA and America First Legal Foundation, which is headed by Stephen Miller, a former Trump senior adviser.

Look them up yourself! None are liberals. None deny they are partners.

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