Why is the uprising of 1/6/21 worse than the months of rioting in the Northwest?
The BLM and Antifa rioters destroyed federal buildings during months of rioting. The capital uprising lasted less than a day. Why is it worse?
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BizSuitStacy · M
One was a "horrifying insurrection" that led to an Air Force veteran being murdered by a DC cop, and several arrests...though no one has actually been charged with insurrection.
The other was a series "mostly peaceful" protests that led to several murders and billions in damages across the country.
The other was a series "mostly peaceful" protests that led to several murders and billions in damages across the country.
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@markansas no , we are subject to fake news .
Northwest · M
The king of false equivalency strikes again.
That did not happen. I drive by the Seattle "Federal buildings" every once in a while, and they're still there. In fact, no one was able to get through the federal perimeter set up around the area.
Same for Portland's Federal district, where I happen to drive about once a month. It's still there, unscathed. In fact, most of the burning of loading carts that happened there, is a direct result of Trump's refusal to withdraw the Federal troops, creating a flash point.
But it's not like anyone ever accused you of having a clue.
But, more importantly, what does the summer of 2020 rioting have to do with the violent insurrection on Jan 6th, 2021, at the behest of the sitting President of the USA? Hint: nothing.
The BLM and Antifa rioters destroyed federal buildings during months of rioting.
That did not happen. I drive by the Seattle "Federal buildings" every once in a while, and they're still there. In fact, no one was able to get through the federal perimeter set up around the area.
Same for Portland's Federal district, where I happen to drive about once a month. It's still there, unscathed. In fact, most of the burning of loading carts that happened there, is a direct result of Trump's refusal to withdraw the Federal troops, creating a flash point.
But it's not like anyone ever accused you of having a clue.
But, more importantly, what does the summer of 2020 rioting have to do with the violent insurrection on Jan 6th, 2021, at the behest of the sitting President of the USA? Hint: nothing.
Northwest · M
@BigGuy2 Let me break it down to you. You keep referring to a video of a CNN reporter, standing 100 feet from a a burning Federal Court House. Specifically, to quote you:
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And you're building all your arguments on that. In the land of reality, that's called a house of cards. Simply put: this did not happen, and one more time, here's a link to what actually happened:
https://www.newsweek.com/cnn-mocked-calling-kenosha-riots-fiery-mostly-peaceful-protests-1527997
No, you're not joking, because you're woefully ill informed, and the joke is on you.
so the CNN reporter that was stood 100 feet away from a Federal Court House burning down was photoshopped was it
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There was a classic CNN piece to camera when the idiot CNN reporter said, "on the whole, the riots are peaceful" this was AFTER he looked at the Federal Court House burning down behind him ... Nope, i'm not joking
And you're building all your arguments on that. In the land of reality, that's called a house of cards. Simply put: this did not happen, and one more time, here's a link to what actually happened:
https://www.newsweek.com/cnn-mocked-calling-kenosha-riots-fiery-mostly-peaceful-protests-1527997
No, you're not joking, because you're woefully ill informed, and the joke is on you.
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@Northwest ... you don't need to break anything down at all, i gave both those examples as EXAMPLES ... it's you and the other guy that has been stretching that part of the argument to the 9th degree ... it never has been and never will be my main issue ... i'll break it down for YOU though ... and repeat it and emphasise ... they were EXAMPLES ... 🤪🤪🤪
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...so CNN 'sarcastically' mocked the riots as 'peaceful' when Cuomo said on air "whers does it say demonstrations have to be peaceful" ... something not right there isn't there ... 🤣🤣🤣
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...so CNN 'sarcastically' mocked the riots as 'peaceful' when Cuomo said on air "whers does it say demonstrations have to be peaceful" ... something not right there isn't there ... 🤣🤣🤣
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akindheart · 61-69, F
akindheart · 61-69, F
@Elessar well that will get you blocked when you attack me personally. nothing more to say to you.
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akindheart · 61-69, F
@MarmeeMarch yeah or a fake profile!
LeopoldBloom · M
Because the George Floyd riots were exaggerated by right wing media. Much of the violence was by right wing gangs or the cops themselves. The Portland mayor authorized the use of tear gas for “riots,” so the cops conveniently declared every demonstration to be a “riot” even if it was peaceful. It’s amazing what you learn talking to people who were there instead of just repeating what you hear on Tucker Carlson.
Also, those demonstrations were in response to police brutality while 1/6 was an attempt to undo a legitimate election. 1/6 was an attack on our system of government, not just one aspect of it.
Would you have a different view of 1/6 if Trump had won and it was Biden supporters who rioted?
Also, those demonstrations were in response to police brutality while 1/6 was an attempt to undo a legitimate election. 1/6 was an attack on our system of government, not just one aspect of it.
Would you have a different view of 1/6 if Trump had won and it was Biden supporters who rioted?
LeopoldBloom · M
@markansas OANN is basically Trumpist propaganda. It's about as credible as "The Onion."
@LeopoldBloom oann i generally dont use them unless it is to show how bad they are . its like newsmax . however fox is getting better slowly. tucker is a wack job so what can i say . welcome to the usa
edited again ya i agree with ya total agreement.
edited again ya i agree with ya total agreement.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
amaricul · 22-25, F
There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE between rioting and destroying federal buildings in some mildly large and important city and storming the second most important building in the ENTIRE COUNTRY hunting for high ranking politicians to murder!!! Like wtf?!? If you want to tear things up then yes go to the Twin Cities, go to Portland, go to Saint Louis but stay the hell away from the seat of the democracy that you claim to love so much!!!
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@MarmeeMarch i am a American and like you and have the same rights as you.
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IF YOU DONT LIKE IT VOTE. thats what thats for. one person one vote
Elessar · 26-30, M
I don't know how you rightoids can compare protests against police abuse that were escalated by the police itself in the first place (let alone counter-activists and false flags), that went as far as having 7yo children maced
and people brutally assaulted / nearly killed for the "crime" of questioning
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With a literal failed coup.
Besides, the purpose of the former wasn't overturning a democratic election.
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With a literal failed coup.
Besides, the purpose of the former wasn't overturning a democratic election.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@redredred
That list goes back to the 19th century. So in almost a 100 years, these people have found 1340 proven cases of fraud. I would say that's pretty impressive, considering the amount of voters voted in the last 100 years. And those proven cases aren't even from the same party. The first case you'll find on the list, was a member of the GOP.
That also comes from an organisation, that excists for one reason. It's a think tank set up by wealthy people that really dislike to pay taxes. Their entire thing, is to manipulate voters into voting for those wealthy peoples interests. Mainly, the reduction of taxes. Lieing and cheating, is all part of the playbook. That includes, informing GOP lawmakers in how to pass bills that makes it harder for citizens that come from segments of the poppulations that don't vote their way, to make it harder for them vote. Jessica Anderson even caught bragging about that last year.
SOURCE: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/05/heritage-foundation-dark-money-voter-suppression-laws/
A part of Ian Shapiro and Michael Graetz book: "Death by a Thousand Cuts: The Fight Over Taxing Inherited Wealth", talks about the Heritage foundation. And he touches on their work in the lecture that he gave in Yale too:
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But these organisations wouldn't be succesful if the masses weren't willing to believe them. There are suckers born every day.
@QuixoticSoul Here, asswipe, take your pick
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
That list goes back to the 19th century. So in almost a 100 years, these people have found 1340 proven cases of fraud. I would say that's pretty impressive, considering the amount of voters voted in the last 100 years. And those proven cases aren't even from the same party. The first case you'll find on the list, was a member of the GOP.
That also comes from an organisation, that excists for one reason. It's a think tank set up by wealthy people that really dislike to pay taxes. Their entire thing, is to manipulate voters into voting for those wealthy peoples interests. Mainly, the reduction of taxes. Lieing and cheating, is all part of the playbook. That includes, informing GOP lawmakers in how to pass bills that makes it harder for citizens that come from segments of the poppulations that don't vote their way, to make it harder for them vote. Jessica Anderson even caught bragging about that last year.
SOURCE: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/05/heritage-foundation-dark-money-voter-suppression-laws/
A part of Ian Shapiro and Michael Graetz book: "Death by a Thousand Cuts: The Fight Over Taxing Inherited Wealth", talks about the Heritage foundation. And he touches on their work in the lecture that he gave in Yale too:
[media=https://youtu.be/u6Ng0N26MGk]
But these organisations wouldn't be succesful if the masses weren't willing to believe them. There are suckers born every day.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@redredred you don't need to read mother Jones, just listen to what Jessican Anderson has to say. It's the only place where I found the audio, because it's no longer availble on youtube without the Mother Jones stuff. The presentation that she gives doesn't change because some media outlet reports on it.
SW-User
I see you call yourself a libertarian. Libertarianism is no longer relevant. They are too weak to enforce the standards we need in the West. Libertarianism is the cry of a beaten and defeated man who can take no more and simply begs for some form of truce or stalemate in order to hold onto the last scraps he once fought for. This cry is not the cry of a warrior, and it is not a cry of the man who seeks to win the war and drive out his enemies. It is the cry of the man who simply wishes to be left alone hoping that whilst Rome burns his house doesn't catch fire. Libertarians, just like mainline/establishment Republicans are squeamish and tepid cucks and only slightly less neo-liberal than the democrats. They are too weak and boring to have any foot in the political and cultural war that is transpiring. The abstract Libertarian philosophy has contributed to molding our culture into the degenerate and decadent cesspool modern America has become.
The whole apathetic "do whatever you want" “live and let live” mantra and this cult of radical individualism and unlimited liberty is what our owners really want you to focus on. However, this is poisonous to healthy and happy communities that seek virtue, beauty, honor, excellence, and victory. This tolerance that has damaged the west is at the very heart of libertarianism, a tolerance that meekly states that we should have the right to live our lives the way we see fit, including those who create rotten, harmful, and twisted fads and subcultures, which will eventually influence and subvert the lives of wholesome families. Libertarians do not care about people going down the wrong path and indulging in self-damaging behavior, which is not the state of any conscientious person, but a negligent one. So you are essentially immersing yourselves in filth rather than aiming to create something better. Is it not right to be intolerant of things that appall you? Is it not right to be intolerant of things that threaten your loved ones, your family and your community? Is it not right to be intolerant of the things that ultimately threaten your very way of life and that threaten western civilization itself? As Aristotle said, Tolerance is one of the last virtues of a dying society. The growth of radical Libertarianism is proof that Western civilization is gasping for its last breaths.
A nation based on nothing but unlimited freedom is just another place to go shopping. It has never led to the creation of any empire in history and certainly not western civilization. We obviously must respect and hold high the creative ability of the individual man, but the inventions made by that individual are only put into production by a cohesive society, which gives those inventions the exposure they need in order to make any real change on a grand scale to shape the world. A greater ideal must also be realized, because a disparate group of individuals (who are only concerned with their own self-interest and being different to get attention) will always be far easier to conquer than a cohesive and homogeneous community of order and discipline with strong and unwavering values which is able to pull together for the greater good. Just like a colony of bees, when humans come together and form a community that can be likened to a single living and breathing entity, with its own shared consciousness, then what can be achieved is almost limitless and infinitely greater than what can be achieved by mere individuals.
The whole apathetic "do whatever you want" “live and let live” mantra and this cult of radical individualism and unlimited liberty is what our owners really want you to focus on. However, this is poisonous to healthy and happy communities that seek virtue, beauty, honor, excellence, and victory. This tolerance that has damaged the west is at the very heart of libertarianism, a tolerance that meekly states that we should have the right to live our lives the way we see fit, including those who create rotten, harmful, and twisted fads and subcultures, which will eventually influence and subvert the lives of wholesome families. Libertarians do not care about people going down the wrong path and indulging in self-damaging behavior, which is not the state of any conscientious person, but a negligent one. So you are essentially immersing yourselves in filth rather than aiming to create something better. Is it not right to be intolerant of things that appall you? Is it not right to be intolerant of things that threaten your loved ones, your family and your community? Is it not right to be intolerant of the things that ultimately threaten your very way of life and that threaten western civilization itself? As Aristotle said, Tolerance is one of the last virtues of a dying society. The growth of radical Libertarianism is proof that Western civilization is gasping for its last breaths.
A nation based on nothing but unlimited freedom is just another place to go shopping. It has never led to the creation of any empire in history and certainly not western civilization. We obviously must respect and hold high the creative ability of the individual man, but the inventions made by that individual are only put into production by a cohesive society, which gives those inventions the exposure they need in order to make any real change on a grand scale to shape the world. A greater ideal must also be realized, because a disparate group of individuals (who are only concerned with their own self-interest and being different to get attention) will always be far easier to conquer than a cohesive and homogeneous community of order and discipline with strong and unwavering values which is able to pull together for the greater good. Just like a colony of bees, when humans come together and form a community that can be likened to a single living and breathing entity, with its own shared consciousness, then what can be achieved is almost limitless and infinitely greater than what can be achieved by mere individuals.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@redredred Obsessing over a typo is your only response? That speaks volumes.
And it does have plenty to do with what American "libertarianism" actually is. I don't care about your slogans.
And it does have plenty to do with what American "libertarianism" actually is. I don't care about your slogans.
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gol979 · 41-45, M
It's not. Plus that "uprising" was staged. Did you see the police just wave them in. Provocateurs in the crowd but most didn't fall for it
Where as the blm protests literally ruined the communities they are supposed to represent
We are in an overtly inverted reality right now
Where as the blm protests literally ruined the communities they are supposed to represent
We are in an overtly inverted reality right now
LeopoldBloom · M
@SumKindaMunster Well, you're definitely "some kind of monster," that certainly fits.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom
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These are the legs that in circles run
This is the beating you'll never know
These are the lips that taste no freedom
This is the feel that's not so safe
This is the face you'll never change
This is the god that ain't so pure
This is the god that is not pure
This is the voice of silence no more
We the people
Are we the people?
We the people
Are we the people?
Some kind of monster
Some kind of monster
Some kind of monster
This monster lives
This is the beating you'll never know
These are the lips that taste no freedom
This is the feel that's not so safe
This is the face you'll never change
This is the god that ain't so pure
This is the god that is not pure
This is the voice of silence no more
We the people
Are we the people?
We the people
Are we the people?
Some kind of monster
Some kind of monster
Some kind of monster
This monster lives
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
There is a lot to go into here which can be argued.
The unarguable difference is that the uprising was an attempt to overthrow a government and overturn an election. It was also directly inspired by the outgoing President.
Some have tried to downplay it using semantics (instead of false equivilance) by saying it was not a coup. It wasn't a coup d'etat because the dictionary definition says that this is something organised. How well organised it was is less important than the intent.
The unarguable difference is that the uprising was an attempt to overthrow a government and overturn an election. It was also directly inspired by the outgoing President.
Some have tried to downplay it using semantics (instead of false equivilance) by saying it was not a coup. It wasn't a coup d'etat because the dictionary definition says that this is something organised. How well organised it was is less important than the intent.
TexChik · F
It was much less worse, and given all the evidence pointing to Pelosi and the actual instigators it was likely another liberal planned false flag event. This one was carried out to try and draw public attention away from the recent (suspicious at best) election and cast blame on all "Trumpists".
ididntknow · 51-55, M
CestManan · 46-50, F
@BigGuy2 Whenever I hear the words "fact check" it reminds me of when we were kids and would say "I swear on my mother's grave!" I mean we were bullshitting and we knew it but wanted to sound really authentic.
It is almost as hilarious as when someone says they cannot tell a lie because they go to church on Sunday.
"Fact check" is synonymous to "censorship"
It is almost as hilarious as when someone says they cannot tell a lie because they go to church on Sunday.
"Fact check" is synonymous to "censorship"
SubstantialKick · 36-40, M
You right-wingers are an absolute joke. You want to constantly bring up the riots that happened two years ago? How about the fact that they went on for 4 months (late spring-early fall), and Donald Trump talked s**t but didn't really do much about them? I've never seen that brought up 🤔.
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@SubstantialKick ... "...we know why ..." - how many deaths were caused by Democrats - their BLM/Antifa Wing - inciting violence - lets me see, 67 deaths - so WE KNOW WHY you people don't want to talk about it.
AND
$100's millions in damages across the country, if not BILLIONS
AND
$100's millions in damages across the country, if not BILLIONS
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BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@SubstantialKick ... nope, there was no incitement, so why would we need to change the subject ... nice try
...and who said you can't set up a post on here, anytime you want ... certainly wasn't me ... 🤪🤪🤪
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... let me see, an insult that's "...at least a few years old?..." oh right, so i can't use it then, so insults that have been around for 100's of years i can't use either ... weird logic you basement dwellers abide by ... 🤪🤪🤪
...and who said you can't set up a post on here, anytime you want ... certainly wasn't me ... 🤪🤪🤪
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... let me see, an insult that's "...at least a few years old?..." oh right, so i can't use it then, so insults that have been around for 100's of years i can't use either ... weird logic you basement dwellers abide by ... 🤪🤪🤪
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Graylight · 51-55, F
Graylight · 51-55, F
@dakotaviper
Facts
Data
Information
Research results
Multiple source
Verification
Conjecture
Speculation
Gossip
Rhetoric
Unsubstantiated claims
A rigid narrative
One grouping allows for learning, debate, solutions and progression. The other is what you guys use. But it's that you can't even tell the difference that's saddest of all.
Facts
Data
Information
Research results
Multiple source
Verification
Conjecture
Speculation
Gossip
Rhetoric
Unsubstantiated claims
A rigid narrative
One grouping allows for learning, debate, solutions and progression. The other is what you guys use. But it's that you can't even tell the difference that's saddest of all.
checkoutanytime · M
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@sunsporter1649
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[media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSDxvI4ex1Q] ya that is the left again at hard work. trying to save our men overseas.
Torsten · 36-40, M
losthorizons · 51-55, M
ididntknow · 51-55, M
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
Look up the definition of a coup.
And one was vandalism on empty buildings and one was an attempt to overthrown the government and storming a government building and disrupting the conduct of the government. If you can't figure out very basic distinctions you are too uneducated to discuss this seriously.
And one was vandalism on empty buildings and one was an attempt to overthrown the government and storming a government building and disrupting the conduct of the government. If you can't figure out very basic distinctions you are too uneducated to discuss this seriously.
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarmeeMarch Just because you lemmings failed doesn't make it not a coup.
LeopoldBloom · M
@sunsporter1649 Actually, I want the Supreme Court reduced to its constitutionally-mandated role of only hearing cases involving ambassadors and disputes between the states. A separate court could then be created for appellate jurisdiction over every other case. This court could be term-limited, or justices randomly selected from the federal bench, or any other method to prevent each vacancy from becoming an existential crisis.
If the Supreme Court was 6-3 liberal and a Republican was president, you'd want to expand it, too. Expanding the Supreme Court isn't the answer. It needs to be defanged and replaced, and Article III allows this.
If the Supreme Court was 6-3 liberal and a Republican was president, you'd want to expand it, too. Expanding the Supreme Court isn't the answer. It needs to be defanged and replaced, and Article III allows this.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@LeopoldBloom LOL, and just who would create this phantom court?
LeopoldBloom · M
@sunsporter1649 Read the Constitution. Congress would create it.
But why should you care? The Supreme Court is dominated by Federalist Society hacks, so why change it? You could replace them with law clerks who would just follow Leonard Leo's instructions and you'd have the same result.
But why should you care? The Supreme Court is dominated by Federalist Society hacks, so why change it? You could replace them with law clerks who would just follow Leonard Leo's instructions and you'd have the same result.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
LeopoldBloom · M
@SumKindaMunster Again, a hangnail is not cancer. I suppose Jimmy Carter working with Habitat for Humanity is just showboating for his own presidential run in 2028.
George W. Bush hasn't exactly been silent, either, but nowhere near the level of the orange shitgibbon.
George W. Bush hasn't exactly been silent, either, but nowhere near the level of the orange shitgibbon.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom And an analogy isn't a rebuttal.
Real talk Bloom. It doesn't matter what I say, you are going to continue to let former President Trump prey on your mind and you will continue to take out your frustration on those you believe supported him. There is no point in trying to reason with someone who is broken and traumatized. You can't reason away PTSD.
Get help.
Real talk Bloom. It doesn't matter what I say, you are going to continue to let former President Trump prey on your mind and you will continue to take out your frustration on those you believe supported him. There is no point in trying to reason with someone who is broken and traumatized. You can't reason away PTSD.
Get help.
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irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@BizSuitStacy Heels up Harris!
SW-User
Let's re-frame this for a moment: one group wanted a politician in power that serves the system that creates systemic racism, and larger, he took advantage of that, as president. The other's recognized by years as minorities, who deal with system racism, when they have an uprising after someone a police officer kills.... you think that's comparable?
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@Strictgram Those peaceful Trump tower hotels?
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
acpguy · C
@SW-User You are a Canadian idiot that is part of a large group of idiots that have given up much of the freedoms like Australia and New Zealand. Socialists like you and the rest of your kind have no right to comment on USA affairs as you folks are thoroughly brain washed and do not have much in the brain department.
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
Heartlander · 80-89, M
When leftist threatened the White House there was mostly criticism of the then President Trump for showcasing and overreacting when he ramped up protection.
Does anyone really think that without the beefed up protect of the white house that the leftist thugs wouldn't have ransacked the White House?
Does anyone really think that without the beefed up protect of the white house that the leftist thugs wouldn't have ransacked the White House?
graphite · 61-69, M
Let's see: Rioters in Seattle set up an "autonomous zone" exempt from local, state and federal laws - an independent country, actually. Not to mention multiple attacks on federal buildings and police officers. No insurrection against the government here, folks. Move along...
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@markansas Changing the subject are ya? Let me know if you have a comment or rebuttal regarding my mockery of your ridiculous assertion that the Chapel Hill Autonomous Zone was "pretty peaceful". 😂
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@markansas Hmm, no. I was responding directly to your comment:
I was highly amused that you chose to portray this event as "pretty peaceful"
So I did not change the subject, you did.
Anything else?
pretty peaceful.trump wanted to started sending in the army.Seattle
I was highly amused that you chose to portray this event as "pretty peaceful"
So I did not change the subject, you did.
Anything else?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Heartlander · 80-89, M
SW-User
To those senators who sit up in the capital , knowing their democracy not ours kept that in mind . Was going to be ruined over and debated they were weak and scared by trumps patriotic speech . Pelois actually rejected help to have more security. Use the right words on the news to convince people that it was so bad , now they can catch trump and blame him .
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
LeopoldBloom · M
@sunsporter1649 You just don't want to deal with the fact that your orange savior has collaborated with authoritarians and terrorists his entire career.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@markansas When I was in college, there was a fraternity whose hazing ritual required fucking a sheep. It was eventually shut down after a girl was gang raped in the frat house by some members.
@LeopoldBloom before or after the sheep. ya i live in kansas and from colo. quite a change in people.
LegendofPeza · 56-60, M
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@LegendofPeza It is not an honest question. Someone is trying very hard to create a false equivalence.
LegendofPeza · 56-60, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Or he's just trolling.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@LegendofPeza Given this fool's position on alot of things here I would not be surprised if he was there.
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