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Why do liberals care more about helping refugees than they do for veterans?

Why are the ones that we are least obligated to care about get prioritization over the people who served our country?
Graylight · 51-55, F
Why would they be mutually exclusive? And why would you paint an entire group of people with vaguely similar ideology as one organism?

The VA, those helping veterans and adjunct veterans programs are full of democrats, Republicans, liberals and ex-military.

The problem with the Veterans Administration is that it's the largest bureaucracy in the country, constructed largely out of GOP ideals and Republican "small government" techniques. It's literally too big to do its job.

But since you're advocating help for veterans, let us know what you're doing and maybe we can emulate that.
@Graylight As an outsider looking at it just by the publicly available numbers and customer satisfaction surveys it would seem the bigger issue is the GOP "defund it, and then claim government can't do something when the wheels come off." more than bureaucracy. Same was done to the Post Office.
RedBaron · M
@Graylight As I see it, the primary reason to make such generalizations is to avoid making the effort to think.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
Can't you help both?
I find it's often the people who say 'We should help our own people first' who didn't seem to care about the veterans until they read about refugees being helped. Odd that.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Entwistle Sporty is fuming because you’re blaming America’s problems on America 🤷‍♂️

Yeah, he’s not very bright.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@QuixoticSoul The next time a left-wing nut job like you accepts responsibility for screwing the pooch will be the first time
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 As an American, I share some of the responsibility for America’s fuckups, as do you.

You’d rather pretend they don’t even exist 🤷‍♂️
Harmonium1923 · 51-55, M
Why do Republicans want to spend $1 trillion fighting in Afghanistan but not hiring American workers to do infrastructure projects here in the US?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@MickRogers Unlike Saudis Taliban is inward-looking - also we could spend twenty more years in Afghanistan and absolutely nothing would change. We should have left sooner - better yet, we should have never gone in.

Taliban is not exactly an insurrection. Frankly, they have more claim to being the legitimate government of Afghanistan than the one we put in place. They’re stone-age douchebags, but at least they’re locals.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul The Saudis are outward looking, only because they need people to buy their oil. Also bombing Yemen is outward looking, I guess.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 Saudi radicals often tend to embrace the whole Wahhabi pan-Arab caliphate thing. Taliban is decidedly not that.
Oberon1 · 61-69, M
These bizarrely twisted cultural revolutionaries wouldn't make a pimple on a "liberals" ass. They are not liberals, democrats, or progressives. They are evil, self loathing, corrupted, mentally disturbed reprobates hell bent on deviance and the destruction of everything good. They hate honor, courage, respect, accountability, discipline, effort, and responsibility. Even the Bolsheviks would have slaughtered these imbecilic incompetents who tout the hammer and sickle, but would not know how to use either one!
@Oberon1 The name calling...I believe you are really an angry 15 year old. It's hilarious the way you said you forget more than he knows. All you do is project your own madness. Please stop saying "us" and "we"...I'd rather be kicked to death than be dangerously warped like you.You clearly have ZERO self awareness
Oberon1 · 61-69, M
@fernie2 It's just the truth, and there are around 83 million American adults who feel the same way I do.
@Oberon1 whole bunch of people voted for trump and they were WRONG. Snap out of it
SW-User
Liberals tend to want to help veterans by not starting wars. I'm not sure what conservatives do for them other than give them empty praise.
MickRogers · 26-30, M
@SW-User You don't even know what fascism is.
SW-User
@MickRogers I never mentioned fascism. What are you talking about?
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@MickRogers Going with Umberto Eco's definition or something more specific like the BUF's goals?
Shaveit · 61-69, M
They care more about refugees than any American. They’re wanting to try to get more illegal votes in here
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Shaveit Which country is that?

I have paid hundreds of thousands in taxes, and it will be millions by the time I’m done - for that chunk of change, the government can take care of both refugees and veterans.
Shaveit · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul Well since you have so much money why don’t you sponsor some of these refugees and let them come live with you!… You can make the difference… LOL
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Shaveit I prefer systemic vs ad-hoc solutions, which is why I pay my taxes instead of ducking them and donating to charity.

Which country?
Oberon1 · 61-69, M
In the US, Homeless disabled veterans are camped outside of a huge parcel of land designated for disabled veterans by the VA, and are not allowed in. This is in a blue city of course. Los Angeles. If you want proof that democrats destroy everything they touch, look at any large blue city.
RedBaron · M
@LordShadowfire Typical behavior for some on the Internet.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@RedBaron Essentially anybody with a weak argument.
RedBaron · M
Not true. I'm alway's thanking vets. for their service. Most liberals just have a sense of empathy for most all people. We aren't truly selective about who we care for.
@MickRogers What an absurd observation. Your attempt at cleverness failed on so many levels.
DavidT8899 · 22-25, M
@bijouxbroussard Look,I also respect John McCain as a war hero and an honorable man.But facts are facts:Donlad Trump was far smarter,har much better ideas and in the end was infinitely more effective a leader than McCain could have ever hoped to be.
@DavidT8899 That tells me that you support a white supremacist and misogynist, who did not support our Constitution. If you think those were good ideas, I don’t want to know you. 😞
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
Why do conservatives make up sh$t and not care about the wellbeing if anyone but themselves?
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@SumKindaMunster OK, I can see that you are really a nut job. Bye.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SumKindaMunster Huh. Last time I checked, no thugs of any color were serving with honor in the military, transgenders pay their taxes, follow the law and serve in the military just like any other American citizen might, and illegal citizens add millions to the tax base all without benefit of a single social program by doing the kind of work you and I can't even muster the energy to complain about in out in the elements. I'm not sure why you would single those three demographics out, other than an underlying current of prejudice or superiority.
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@QuixoticSoul Exactly.
SW-User
I think it's hilarious that anyone would bother wasting their time seriously responding to such a ridiculous post.
BlueVeins · 22-25
There's a difference between supporting war and supporting veterans. While neither party particularly has clean hands, democrats are significantly less likely to support offensive wars and more likely to support benefits for veterans. Frankly though, both parties support bringing in refugees from Afghanistan (probably on account of the fact that a lot of those Afghans cooperated with the US).
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
In what ways have liberals refused to assist veterans? Most of the VA improvements we have started under Obama with bipartisan support.

What veterans programs would you like to see? At what level of supporting veterans is it acceptable to begin using resources to assist refugees? Or is supporting veterans a neverending funnel to justify trying to prevent helping other people?

Why are we least obligated to assist the victims of our own failed military and foreign policy?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 Keep whining about brown people, you’ll stay just as dumb as you are.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@sunsporter1649 Copy, paste, repeat, repeat, repeat, Quack! 🦆
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@sunsporter1649 that statement has nothing to do with open borders, and is not a discussion of foreign policy. It is stating that our foreign policy is a supporting factor that we have a responsibility to help these refugees.

Or are you saying that your attention span is too short to follow a reasonable discussion without running off on any little tangent trigger you can think of?

Because going off and talking about the derailment is another tactic to avoid a losing argument, let us bring the original topic back into focus.

What failures to care for our veterans do we need to address? And why do these failures preclude us from caring about other people?
DavidT8899 · 22-25, M
@Mellownai Because they realize that they serve their purposes far more than the citizens.It has NOTHING to do with compassion.If a situation existed where refugees/illegal aliens were a barrier to their plans,they'd shoot every one of them on sight and not think twice about doing it.
@DavidT8899 A convenient reply. It’s equally clear to me that you believe what you want to and it’s easier for you to demonize those who don’t see the world as you do.
DavidT8899 · 22-25, M
@bijouxbroussard Please dont accuse me of doing things that I'm not.Im not "demonizing"you;you seem like a genuinely nice person.But I do belive that you are misguided in some of your judgements.However,I acknowledge that its a free country where we can agree to disagree.
@DavidT8899 Freer for some than for others. You think I’m misguided ? I believe the same about you, but more likely we’ve just had different life experiences.
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
So go volunteer for a homeless vet organization…
curiosi · 61-69, F
They hate America and have made no secret of it. Anyone who supports them is evil.
Stopmakingsense · 56-60, F
The victims of war seem more deserving than the perpetrators.
Liberals don't always deny who is accountable for murder or war.
Stopmakingsense · 56-60, F
@MickRogers sorry, they can always starve or work as janitors, like I do.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Stopmakingsense So your response to fucked-up wars is to blame the grunts whose only choice is obey orders or starve to death. Not the generals making battle plans or politicians in their ivory towers.
MickRogers · 26-30, M
@Stopmakingsense Sorry, but your response is just fallacious. Nobody is obligated to work pennies for the dollar as a janitor when they're young and healthy enough to see action and fight for their country's freedoms.

Of course they are more relevant to us than some random nationals from another country.
That is a total strawman "how often do you beat your wife?" question.
It is also a total bullshit choice pretending both can't be done.
RedBaron · M
Why do some people make sweeping, uninformed generalizations about groups of people they label with a disdainful epithet? Take you, for example.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@RedBaron ..asks the guy whose whole post history is condescending snark directed at Trump supporters and people who are hesitant about the Covid vaccines.
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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@RedBaron I spent all the time I needed to see you are a boring, basic hypocrite.
Who says they do?
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Liberals and conservatives all treat veterans like shit and then use them for empty talking points just like you are doing right now. It's not like Trump or Bush's years in government were a golden age for veterans. Whatever dingbat you cheer for is just as bad.

Failure to help refugees creates situations that make more wars and more veterans. There's a somewhat craven self-interest there. This ain't altruism, even if its politically sold like it.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@CountScrofula I can't say that you're wrong. At least, as far as politicians go. You've got the guys like Donald Trump talking trash about American soldiers, and then you get people glorifying them for going through hell without spending a dime on therapy for the poor slobs.
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Same reason they're offering to make houses easier to buy after making mortgages harder to get.

Trying to appeal to ????? Really I'm not sure who
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Veterans don’t vote the way they like
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@AthrillatheHunt I'm doing okay. Just got done with my radiation therapy yesterday.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@LordShadowfire you getting your strength back ? You sound like you have the fighting spirit. Which is a good sign .
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@AthrillatheHunt I didn't really suffer a lot of adverse effects. I guess I'm a little more tired than I normally am, and I've got a couple of mild burns, but really, I've been lucky.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
Twisted isn’t it?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
Oh, look. Another conservative posting a lying question. Get back to me when you're ready to talk about facts.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire And that from someone who gets his "facts" from the dnc.
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