it is sad how the women in afghanistan r literally having their freedoms, aspirations and hopes taken away overnight...😢😢😢

@MarkPaul You can't honestly be this dense. You are fabricating an entirely fictional false dichotomy.

Nevermind. No point trying to convince a blind ideology and extremist convinced of your superiority.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Says the guy who knows he lost his way but doesn't have the guts to admit it, even to himself.

@MarkPaul I am not the one deluding themselves within 18th century bullshit ideology.

@NangiUniverse I would not go that far. Communists and socialists have no use for reactionary extremists but don't hate Muslims per se. Hell many Muslim majority countries have well established communist parties like Iraq. Many are also religious and see no contradiction. Just like you have Catholic communists in Latin America. In the holy city of Nejaf in Iraq they elected a communist woman to run the city because all sides trust them to not play favorites and take sides in sectarian nonsense.

In China the situation is a bit different since like in Chechnya it is a hotbed for extremism and terrorism. Many of the "poor uighurs" everyone in western media is lementing about are in allegiance with ISIS and Al Qaeda. Muslims were not popular in Russia for awhile when terrorists bombed the Moscow metro too.

[quote]most secular and moderate seem to count on communism as their last straw of hope for personal freedom.[/quote]

I agree with the last bit.

@NangiUniverse If I understand secularism properly, the want is not making religion into a straw issue and understand it's place. You seem to have a different view, but okay. Ie, if Israel does something I don't support in idea, I don't blame Jewish people, yet ..... you seem to be associating faith with wrongdoing? Correct me if my reading is wrong.

@hippyjoe1955 I can't fool myself into believing in an invisible sky daddy. I respect myself too much.

@Entwistle You haven't been called nor has it been revealed to you. You have no choice in the matter. Much like the time your parents conceived you and gave you birth. You were just along for the ride. Don't pride yourself on what you don't know or don't understand. Ignorance is never a point of pride.

@newjaninev2 oh get over yourself... Nearly ALL WOMEN are like that.

Look at you, arguing your anti religious point, when this is more of a political/power situation.

And why?
All, becuase you want to argue against religion, rather than feel empathy for your fellow gender.

You aren't religious, yet you are doing the VERY thing you accuse them of:[quote].
Berating and chastising other women [/quote]

You, my dear: are a hypocrite.

@OogieBoogie Im not berating and chastising Afghani women. On the contrary, I've been saying that they will now be able to exhibit the piety and devout practices required by their chosen religion. In fact, they’ll be actively encouraged to do so. Accordingly, I see no reason to spend time wailing about what I might perceive as their dire situation.

@newjaninev2 But you can spend time nitpicking for your ego.

Good to know.

Selfish over compassion.

Thanks for the warning

@newjaninev2

[quote] The Taliban are Afghani, and their religion is professed by 99.7% of the population[/quote]

Yes, to profess otherwise one would be raped and murdered.

@Heartlander Yes it does smell. Because all they care about is denying science when it comes to mother nature (climate change) and punishing the Political Right here in the USA today.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

Not worth the effort arguing here!

Your mind is fixed even if we agree on something's.

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@DeWayfarer On this we mostly agree. I just think the American tendency to not even think about the consequences of disrespecting their allies played a bigger role here. They do it with "top tier" allies too. Even Canada is treated like a colony most of the time and it doesn't even seem to occur to the US government that could ever have consequences.

@DeWayfarer I mean the CIA bugged Angela Merkel's cellphone FFS.

@OogieBoogie That's really not just a small detail. Characterizing oppression as a type of war gives undue legitimacy to the actions of oppressive governments by implying that the action in question is reciprocal. Also important is the fact that in a war, the monopoly on the use of force breaks down, leading to chaos and random violence. I've got a million criticisms of every repressive government under the Sun, but there's a clear difference between killing everyone who insults the god emperor and bombs being dropped indiscriminantly into a city.

@BlueVeins 🤦‍♀️
I'm over this dude.
You stick with your definition, Its evident it's important to you.

Truth is, both war and terrorism kill innocents.

It doesn't matter the method or the weapon ... The result it the same.

And that was the point of this post.

What it does to the people.
How they will suffer and live.

It won't be any different just because you don't define it as a war.

@OogieBoogie I agree, in large part. While the two are qualitatively different in a variety of ways, both kill people.

@KristinaM ive heard that the taliban is also taking teenage girls as forced marriage "gifts" 2 their fighters as well😥😥😥

@lisasweety yes they do and they are gang raped also

@IronHamster Brutality is the language of the human race. No matter the geography, the ethnicity, the time period, the religion, or the culture, people are violent.

@BlueMetalChick To a varying degree. We have liberals in schools that work to eliminate that, and as a result they don't understand cultures where brutality is the order of the day. Hell, here in the US there are folks that actually believe women and black people are oppressed, and, LOL, every institution they claim is racist or sexist is run by liberals. The Antifa group in Seattle screams about police brutality and racism, but leave them in charge of a few city blocks and in less than three weeks they start murdering black people themselves. I have more examples of the total lack of self awareness liberals have regarding brutality. It's too bad we can't universally recognize brutality for what it is.

@CestManan I just can’t with an ignorant statement like that

@Heartlander a large percentage of Germans in 1930’s supported NaZism
A large percentage of Muslims in 2021 support Sharia
It’s an over generalization, but tell me . Am I wrong ?

@Heartlander Hitler only maintained the facade of Catholicism as a ruse. Truth be known, he saw Christianity as a weak religion and admired Islam for its brutality.

@QuixoticSoul Jews never murdered on behalf of Hashem bc their religious leaders never told them to
It’s been almost a millennium since a Christian murdered on behalf of Yahweh bc their religious leader told them to
You know what I’m getting at
The 3rd Abrahamic religion is in bad need of a reformation

@OldBrit
Speaking of price, looks like the price of burqas just went up.

"Ahead of the Taliban's arrival in Kabul on Sunday, women also rushed to stores to panic buy burqas, The Guardian reported. The last time the Taliban were in power, in the 1990s, the wearing of burqas was policed strictly. Kabul's vendors were also said to be hiking their prices for burqas in light of the Taliban takeover. Last year these burqas cost AFS 200 ($2.50). Now they're trying to sell them to us for AFS 2,000 to 3,000 ($25 to $37)," a woman identified as Aaila told The Guardian.

* https://www.businessinsider.com/taliban-hunting-threatening-workers-hiding-under-new-afghanistan-regime-2021-8

@NangiUniverse It has since come out the power struggle within the Afghan communist party was manufactured from outside during the Carter administration too.

The Taliban also offered to hand over Bin Laden in 2001 too but Bush wanted a war.

None of it was necessary.

@iamelijah Not really but that kind of mentality is how western governments justify endless wars leaving out the part that they are largely responsible for these extremists in the first place.

@deadgerbil [quote]don't live in a religiously conservative/fundamentalist society[/quote]

The American Christian Taliban will change that if given the chance.

The Taliban are merely pious and devout muslims who strictly observe Islamic rules and teachings. Afghani muslims should be delighted that they will now be allowed to follow their religion without interference from others.

@newjaninev2 yeah, some would be delighted to be able to follow their religion, to whatever extreme degrees they want to. And a lot of people caught in the midst of their religious pursuits will feel the restriction of rights, etc. Same with the analogous Christian societies.

@newjaninev2

[quote] The Taliban are merely pious and devout muslims who strictly observe Islamic rules and teachings[/quote]

(rolling eyes)

@hippyjoe1955

I heard as much. I wonder if that means being a son of Fidel, makes him an InFidel?


Man they do look the same!

@hippyjoe1955 Sorry, I meant to tag Sun in that last comment, not you. I accidentally clicked your tag by mistake.

I just edited it.

@sunsporter1649

[quote] Bomb 'em back to the stone age.[/quote]

How do you empty an Afghan Taliban Bingo parlor?

Call out B - 52, B - 52!

@MarkPaul I sincerely wish your possible outcome be realized but I'm almost certain it won't - time will tell.

@tindrummer With that attitude, I suspect you might be (a large) part of the problem.

@MarkPaul I expressed support for your position and you're being confrontational? Bye

@Northwest yes that’s true but Afghanistan a in imminent danger and people are literally running away from cities taken over by the Taliban on foot with their children

@Jenny1234 People are scared, but there's nothing we can do about it. It is up to the people of Afghanistan to resist the extreme Islamist agenda, if the Taliban attempt to change the terms of the agreement they committed to, which is to develop a power sharing agreement with the current government.

The Afghanistan president fled the country, so the former President is now the front person, meeting with the Taliban to transition, whatever that ends up meaning.

If the people did support the Taliban, the government would not have fallen in a matter of days, mostly without any fighting, especially in Kabul.

@yeronlyman I don't know what I am. I choose philosophies from all over the place... From Tauism to Luciferanism, from Buddhist to christian.

I try to do what my conscience tells me.

And I fuck up often 😂

@OogieBoogie but I suspect kindness is the core

@yeronlyman ummm... I dunno.
No... I think ethics is.

Like, I'll shoot myself in the foot and tell someone I've done something wrong.
One of my kids got so distracted with school activities one year, they freaked out when a few final assignments were due all at once. They complained to me, asking for a note to explain why.... And I had explain why I had to say no.

They took it hard... But it was realistic and fair by my ethics.
I wasn't going to teach my child that duties could be weedled out of.

There are times I hate my ethics... They hurt me more than if I didn't have them. 🤷‍♀️

@YukikoAmagi Are you trying to claim that the Taliban is a representative group for other Muslims? Because what the fuck?

@YukikoAmagi This is a post about the Taliban. Most Muslims ALSO hate the Taliban. Just like most Muslims hate Wahhabis because Wahhabis are insane murderous barbarians. Don't forget, they primarily target and kill non-Wahhabi Muslims.

@YukikoAmagi it’s not about Islam. It’s the Taliban. Do you support them?

@BlueMetalChick

I've said it before and will so again.

We should have armed the [b]WOMEN[/b] of Afghanistan.

With political power, rights and, yes, weapons.

@beckyromero Well, it certainly worked for the Kurds. It is a strong belief in Salafist Islam that it is dishonorable for a man to be killed by a woman, and if he is, he will go straight to hell with no chance for redemption in the eyes of Allah. The fear of being shot and killed by a female soldier and subsequently condemned to an afterlife of eternal suffering was so overwhelming that a significant number of Salafist insurgents flat out refused to fight against all-female Kurdish brigades. Which is pretty fucking based if you ask me.

@WSEIII Wrong. Look, Biden was right that we needed to leave. You might be right that you need your appendix removed, but you can Trump that by hiring a skilled surgeon or Biden it by hiring a drunk with a pocket knife.

@Adstar

How come no one is coming out and just saying it?

@DeluxedEdition

@LordShadowfire this.

There's a story behind why America went.... And I don't think we ever got hint of the real reason.

And what you say is a terrible truth.

Man I feel for the common man over there. Helpless, hopeless, in a broken damaged country that spends all it has on military.

@LordShadowfire I blame the Reagan administration for a lot of things lol, they made horrible decisions. A lot of the groups fighting communism were Islamic militants who mostly murdered nuns.

@MartinTheFirst when i mean sources i mean not only western media, but indian media, pakistani media, chinese media, russian media and hell even discussion on reddit or 1st-hand information on twitter as well. when u read a source it is true that u only get 2 know what the author wants 2 reveal 2 u (plus his/her own bias and interpretation) but by reading all the sources and examining conflicting information we can filter out propaganda/misinformation/bias via critical thinking and reassemble the truth of such an event, how people perceive such an event and how people react 2 such an event.

@MartinTheFirst
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@PatKirby nah this is 2 reductionist... 2 rly know what's going on I suggest reading the entire wikipedia regarding afghanistan, the taliban and the war in afghanistan.