it is sad how the women in afghanistan r literally having their freedoms, aspirations and hopes taken away overnight...😢😢😢

@newjaninev2 Most of them don't espouse or support that religion though, and they only practice it because apostasy is punishable by death. At least, they certainly don't support that denomination of it. Don't forget, the biggest enemy of radical Islam is non-radical Islam.

@newjaninev2

wow..At least you're not pretending to give a damn at least. Even if you're too blinded to understand we don't choose the culture we are born in..And just because someone has no resources to fight against their abuser, it doesn't mean they are in agreement with the abuse.

@Miram exactly. I initially thought this person was being sarcastic or something since I always see them arguing against religious stuff, but idk. It's a weird argument for them to make

@newjaninev2 I'm sorry, but that's a bigoted stance. Those women don't support the Taliban, most aren't Salafis and not all Muslims are Salafis, you get moderate Muslims. Furthermore you get Atheists in the MENA region.

That's like saying because you're from the US or Europe, you got want you wanted with the KKK or Nazis.

@basilfawlty89 So, I don't have my glasses on and I misread "bigoted" as "bigtoed" and I thought this was some new phrase, like if you say something obtuse, you're being "big toed."

@newjaninev2 wow..... let's just hope ure trolling here and this isnt ur legit opinion😬😬😬

@BlueMetalChick It’s all Islam. They just will no longer get to cherry pick the fun parts. The rhetoric just got real, and The Great Satan won’t be there to interfere with them and corrupt their religion, so it should quickly become an Islamic paradise. Right?

If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

@newjaninev2 I can't believe you made such an ignorant remark.😳

You realise they DON'T have a choice right?!

These people are extremists.

@newjaninev2 Stop hitting the hard stuff.

@newjaninev2 Gotta tell you, it seems pretty insensitive to use this as an opportunity to dunk on the minority of degenerate charletans who try to argue that islam is a pro-freedom philosophy.

@OogieBoogie [quote]These people are extremists[/quote]

They’re obviously devout and pious muslims, obeying the dictates of their book, without ignoring the inconvenient parts.

They will very successfully show the world the realities of Islam, and they will show the Afghani people the realities of the religion they espouse.

@newjaninev2 They aren't obeying the dictates of their book. They're obeying people with guns who are threatening to torture and kill them if they don't obey. Take it from someone who lived through it. None of us wanted it. We only complied so we wouldn't be raped and stoned to death.

@BlueMetalChick So they’re making up their own rules around their treatment of, behaviour towards, and restrictions on, women. They kill atheists and apostates because they don’t like the way they look at them. Here was I thinking they were working from a playbook instructing them, in no uncertain terms, to behave that way.

I was taking about The taliban, and how they will interpret it. @newjaninev2

Much like the christian crusaders, and Spanish inquisition did hundreds of years ago.

Any religion gets fucked up when you add extremists into it.

@OogieBoogie One person’s extremist is another person’s devout and pious creationist, obeying the dictates of their religion, without ignoring the inconvenient parts

All situations like this do is to reveal that the realities of a religion hide behind ‘moderates’ and will come to the fore the moment the ’moderates’ are able to be removed

@newjaninev2 no, not at all.

It's what you do with the beliefs you have.

You might as well say science is evil... Look what we do with it... Make bombs for war, chemical warfare, drugs that poison people... Food that slowly poisons people.

Not to mention all the crack scientists misinforming the world

Therefore science is evil

Same logic. 🙄

@newjaninev2 You're completely missing what I'm saying to you. You said that the Afghans will like being under Taliban control because they are Muslims and therefore they like restrictive and authoritarian theocracy. What I'm telling you is that no, most of those people don't like those things. The extremists like it; that's why they're extremists. But everybody else hates it. The only reason they live with it is because they'll be killed if they don't.

@newjaninev2 [quote]One person’s extremist is another person’s devout and pious creationist, obeying the dictates of their religion, without ignoring the inconvenient parts[/quote]
Ignoring the inconvenient parts of a religious doctrine doesn't actually mean you aren't a person of that faith. I know it's really easy to hypocrisy-burn people who claim to be of a certain religion but who don't actually follow the tenets of that religion, but the truth is, the only thing you need to do to be a member of that faith is to just...say you are. You can say you're a Christian but do the opposite of everything in the bible. You're still a Christian. You can call yourself a Muslim but do the opposite of everything in the Quran. You're still a Muslim. So, yeah, there's a whole lot of Muslims who aren't at all down with repressive authoritarianism. Even if repressive authoritarianism is written directly into the Quran, you don't actually have to accept those ideas to be Muslim, just like you don't have to abstain from eating shellfish or cutting your hair to be a Christian. The extremists love those parts of the Quran, but most others think it's horrible and inhumane. So no, Afghanistan won't be an "Islamic paradise" under Taliban rule because most of the Islamic people living there will hate it. They might hate it less than they hated constant war and bombs falling out of the fucking sky all hours of the day when the United States was involved, but that doesn't mean they aren't unhappy with it.

@BlueMetalChick well said. 👍

@newjaninev2

You're not different than Islamists, you don't need to run around screaming Allah Akbar to be like them. You just have to be able to dehumanize everyone you don't understand and justify their death.

Congrats, you yourself are laying with the dogs.

@Miram Whose death?

@newjaninev2 people living under Taliban rule (particularly apostates, sex workers, LGBT folks, adulterers, etc.)

@BlueVeins He isn't asking because he is stupid or ignorant.

Indifference is an informed choice.

@Miram in many cases yes, but i got nothin' to lose pretending she's acting in good faith. nothin's more fun than watching a cultural relativist squirm.

@BlueVeins Islam requires death for apostates... yes or no?