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it is sad how the women in afghanistan r literally having their freedoms, aspirations and hopes taken away overnight...馃槩馃槩馃槩

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/afghan-women-fear-dark-future-loss-rights-taliban-gains-ground-n1276636
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Heartlander80-89, M
Yep .... I just peeked at the Afghanistan casualty counts and it shows about a dozen US casualties for all of 2020. Chicago matches that practically every Saturday night. And the mess in Chicago goes back a lot more than 20 years.

Military involvement in Afghanistan had drawn down significantly over the past few years and mostly it's been about air support and cheering the Afghan military on.

It was like Biden just yanked the rug out from under everything, suddenly surrendered unconditionally and and armed the Taliban to the hilt with US weapons.

There's something else going on here. And it smells.
newjaninev256-60, F
@Heartlander The reason that the Taliban had such a sudden and sweeping victory is that much of the Afghan military, authorities, and officials immediately collaborated with them, and cheered them on.
Heartlander80-89, M
@newjaninev2 Yes, like the Dutch, the French, the Italians, the Hungarians, the Austrians, the Poles cheered Hitler and the Nazis when they marched into town. When you put a gun to someone's head and threaten to murder their family you can get them to do anything.

The use of brutality to force people to do what you say goes back to the beginning of human history. The Romans maintained order by crucifying all a master's slave if just a single slave murdered their master. Nailing men, women and children to posts along the path into town is a pretty effective way to convince others to do what you say. Once people are convinced that they may be executed for just hiding a Jew, or possessing a weapon, the struggle to resist a brutal government becomes 100 times .... 1,000 times harder. For a member of the French resistance to shoot a German occupier, the repercussions were likely to be that 100 of their fellow French citizens would be rounded up and executed in the town square. Our own government perpetuated slavery by beheading rebellious slaves and displaying the severed heads for all to see. Drug gangs do likewise by displaying the mutilated bodies of those who interfere with their activities.

20 years isn't nearly enough to break the stronghold of those who rule by brutality. How long did it take even our own country to break the mistreatment of black people? 100 years, 150 years? 20 years after our civil war and we doubled-down by intentionally depriving black children of an education, or a right to live where they wanted to, or the right to even vote.

If we believe that 20 years is too long to fight for freedom or support others in their struggle for freedom, we are putting ourselves in that same group that raised their hands and said "Heil Hitler" but in their hearts felt sorry for their Jewish neighbors being rounded up, and with their whisper voices said "it's not my problem."
newjaninev256-60, F
@Heartlander Afghanistan wasn鈥檛 invaded this last week. The Taliban are Afghani, and their religion is professed by 99.7% of the population. There鈥檚 no foreign religion being imposed, and the laws being enforced are not sudden and unexpected.

This is religion red of tooth and claw

As an American once famously remarked... watch and learn.
RedBaronM
@Heartlander And the stinkiest thing is that it was all started by Trump and the agreement he signed with the Taliban to withdraw US combat troops.
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Heartlander80-89, M
@RedBaron I'm reminded that it was the Democrat congress that tied President Gerald Ford's hands and limited his ability to do anything to better manage our departure from Southeast Asia. In effect, it was a Democrat congress that unconditionally surrendered to North Vietnam and later to the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
Heartlander80-89, M
@newjaninev2

[quote] The Taliban are Afghani, and their religion is professed by 99.7% of the population[/quote]

Yes, to profess otherwise one would be raped and murdered.
dakotaviper56-60, M
@Heartlander Yes it does smell. Because all they care about is denying science when it comes to mother nature (climate change) and punishing the Political Right here in the USA today.
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