it is sad how the women in afghanistan r literally having their freedoms, aspirations and hopes taken away overnight...😢😢😢

@CestManan You can walk around with your face uncovered and not get your throat slit.

@CestManan Look I hate to pull rank on you here but I feel like I've spent enough time living in exactly the type of situation we're discussing that I can say this with confidence.

If you think that being mandated to receive a vaccine to protect your health is tantamount to being legally prohibited from attending school, own property, or walk around in public without a male chaperone, not being allowed to learn to read, write, or do maths, and considered the physical property of not only your husband but also your father and even your sons, then you really have absolutely no fucking sense of what it's like to live as a third class citizen. If you have premarital sex, you are stoned to death. If your husband wants to have sex and you say no, you are stoned to death. If you speak out of turn, you are stoned to death. If you are a homosexual woman, you are not stoned to death but rather you are beheaded in public.

Although to be fair, homosexual men are ALSO publicly beheaded so I guess that one is egalitarian.

You wanna go live through that shit, and then come back here and tell me that it's the same thing as being required to get a fucking injection to inoculate you against an infection disease? You're not even required to get the vaccine right now.

@CestManan If you get injured and lose the use of a limb, your non-Afghan husband doesn't put you out of your misery like a horse with a broken leg because you're of no use to him.

@CestManan clueless

@SatanBurger Apparently the new generation of talibans swear that they won't be like that anymore. They're letting girls go to school, work, and show their faces. I think they've grown softer.

@MartinTheFirst Twenty five years ago the Taliban said they would not be engaging in vengeance and anyone that had worked in the former government could work in theirs, then they fully castrated the President and shoved his balls in his own mouth before hanging him.

@IronHamster 25 years is a long time.

@MartinTheFirst It's only one generation. We've already seen one interpreter get his arms hacked off before being hanged. Fortunately, his ten year old daughter will live, as the chatel bride of his killer.

@MartinTheFirst For now but that will change. If you abuse women like that in the past, a woman abuser just doesn't up and change automagically. I'm not saying they can't but there needs to be some life altering event in order to make it happen because an entire generation of males who grow up on the fact that women are less superior generally just don't wake up the next day thinking it's right for women to all of a sudden go to school.

You generally have those views for life because that's what social conditioning is. You will forever think you are morally superior because that's what is taught, that women belong to you so it's your right and privilege.

Even in areas where women were liberated and could box, they were continually threatened by death threats from Muslim males. It was in a documentary about a male boxing instructor and what it's like teaching women to fight in a liberated area. He said he routinely gets death threats and has to stay on public streets because he'll lose his life if they catch him in an alley.

A lot of the males detested women's freedom but learned to just barely tolerate it in those areas.

Look, the bright side of this is that there is a small chance that even if they detest it now, they'll learn that giving women freedoms helps grow their economy and society. So they'll begin to see things in a different way as will the future generations. This is the best outcome.

The worst outcome is that it's just a political ploy much like N. Korea, we'll hear reports of massive human rights violations but it will be hush hush.

@SatanBurger id say that the access to internet and western influence is a life altering situation but you may be right. I just hope youre not for the sake of the people.

@IronHamster Exactly, they've promised this same thing in the past yet were ruthless. People say 25 years is a long time but it's not, if these same people did that also trained this new generation you can bet they still have the belief system they had before. I don't trust any abuser in the slightest, not just this group but any group that does that.

Abusers don't change, they won't change because they feel like they're right.

@MartinTheFirst I hope I'm wrong to be honest, actually I want women's rights over there. They only benefit from human rights, not less. They want a strong economy, their treatment of people will depend on it for sure so if they're not totally daft they'll be smart and change. I just am leery from what I know of abusive people and they always have been abusive so it makes no sense that they just had a sudden change of heart.

But as you say, if they had been exposed to different cultures by now, it could be that they are a little less ignorant about things and that will be good.

@SatanBurger in one way or another they need the support of their people and they know they wont get that if they continue being ruthless, and the same thing will happen again

@IronHamster Yup they haven't changed at all, I had to look up the interpreter you were talking about. That's fvcked.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/asia/afghanistan-interpreters-taliban-reprisals-intl-hnk/index.html

@IronHamster They called the interpreter an infidel and a spy, does that kind of language seem like a group who just wants human rights? I hate to say it but as long as they carry on the old ways, they haven't changed.

@MartinTheFirst You are wrong. Your western mind is weak. Brutality is the language of Afghanistan.

@IronHamster Brutality is the language of the human race. No matter the geography, the ethnicity, the time period, the religion, or the culture, people are violent.

@BlueMetalChick To a varying degree. We have liberals in schools that work to eliminate that, and as a result they don't understand cultures where brutality is the order of the day. Hell, here in the US there are folks that actually believe women and black people are oppressed, and, LOL, every institution they claim is racist or sexist is run by liberals. The Antifa group in Seattle screams about police brutality and racism, but leave them in charge of a few city blocks and in less than three weeks they start murdering black people themselves. I have more examples of the total lack of self awareness liberals have regarding brutality. It's too bad we can't universally recognize brutality for what it is.

@CestManan I just can’t with an ignorant statement like that