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Strawberrry · F
better to terminate a pregnancy then ruining multiple lives over it.
if you force people to get a kid you better make sure the kid and the mother are taken proper care of
if you force people to get a kid you better make sure the kid and the mother are taken proper care of
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LeopoldBloom · M
@OogieBoogie To clarify, I don't mean "glad they had an abortion" but "glad they were able to have an abortion." Just like any other major event, I'm sure many women think "what if I'd had the kid," same as many women wonder what their lives would have been like if they hadn't had kids or married someone else or moved to London to manage an art gallery.
That being said, many women don't regret their abortions at all.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-abortion-nearly-all-women-say-it-was-right-decision-study
That being said, many women don't regret their abortions at all.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-abortion-nearly-all-women-say-it-was-right-decision-study
OogieBoogie · F
@LeopoldBloom im sorry, one study of 667 women who volunteered does not, in my book, define a decent conducive statement for all womankind who have gone thru this experience.
Im very grateful for your fill support in this issue.
I just dont think such a small study, done of university students who evidently have the money, resources and education to get top quality timely care, and be working towards more elite futures, can at all, paint an accurate picture of the vast majority of women that go thru the diverse quality of such procedures, in circumstances more vaired than i can even imagine.
I really appreciate your wonderful empathy. I truly do🤗
But i do fully believe that the psychological and/or emotional damage is greater than you percieve.
Im very grateful for your fill support in this issue.
I just dont think such a small study, done of university students who evidently have the money, resources and education to get top quality timely care, and be working towards more elite futures, can at all, paint an accurate picture of the vast majority of women that go thru the diverse quality of such procedures, in circumstances more vaired than i can even imagine.
I really appreciate your wonderful empathy. I truly do🤗
But i do fully believe that the psychological and/or emotional damage is greater than you percieve.
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bijouxbroussard · F
Unless I’m the one who’s pregnant, I don’t consider it any of my business. I think it has to be the pregnant woman’s choice.
InOtterWords · F
@bijouxbroussard this
@bijouxbroussard Yeah. And why it’s ever been some guys decision makes no sense to me. Especially some guy that’s not even the father. Some random guys making laws. Makes no sense.
bijouxbroussard · F
@ShadowedWhispers Agreed.
Pinkstarburst · 51-55, F
A woman having an abortion isn’t as easy of a decision as people think sometimes. Violent crimes against them, a dying child or unviable in utero, risk of their life, poverty, abusive partner. Many things factor into the decision and none of them are easy. A woman owns her body and has the right to make the choice as to what to do with it. People still believe a woman magically becomes pregnant on her own and decisions must be made for her. They continue to blame a woman for a decision that would never be questioned if a man had to make it.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Torsten Since the fetus isn’t inside the father’s body, the only “rights” he should have are the ones the mother gives him. If that doesn’t work for you, I can think of a few dialysis patients who would love to have one of your kidneys.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@Pinkstarburst Honestly your original comment was the best one.
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Matt85 · 36-40, M
When people say "her body, her choice"
I just think what about the babies body
and what about Dad, brothers and sisters?
I've been personally affected by abortion.
It kicked off my depression when I was about 15.
I just think what about the babies body
and what about Dad, brothers and sisters?
I've been personally affected by abortion.
It kicked off my depression when I was about 15.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@NerdyPotato I didn't hear that. I heard him say he doesn't want to talk about it because it happens in a minority of cases.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Matt85 How were you affected by abortion? Were you pregnant and forced to have one?
bijouxbroussard · F
@Matt85
I've been personally affected by abortion.
Depression aside, you will never be as affected as someone facing going through a nine month pregnancy and childbirth. 🥺
BlueVeins · 22-25
Yes. Sex isn't consent to parenthood.
SamInAZ · 41-45, M
@softspokenman simp
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LeopoldBloom · M
@SamInAZ Since pregnancy is a continuous process, consent must also be continuous. Anything else is rapist philosophy. You sound like the guy who says he can force himself onto a woman because she let him buy her dinner and came up to his room afterwards.
Think of it like hiring someone and they turn out to be a bad employee. The fact that you hired them doesn't obligate you to keep paying them. By the same token, a woman who has sex isn't obligated to give birth.
Just curious, how would you enforce this? Test women monthly for pregnancy, and if the test is positive, lock them up under 24 hour watch to make sure they give birth?
Think of it like hiring someone and they turn out to be a bad employee. The fact that you hired them doesn't obligate you to keep paying them. By the same token, a woman who has sex isn't obligated to give birth.
Just curious, how would you enforce this? Test women monthly for pregnancy, and if the test is positive, lock them up under 24 hour watch to make sure they give birth?
Torsten · 36-40, M
no. There is no such thing as a accidental pregnancy. Its being completely careless and not having safe sex and later acting as though it was some big shock you can get pregnant while having unsafe sex.
People need to handle their responsibility and not kill it because its inconvenient for them
People need to handle their responsibility and not kill it because its inconvenient for them
LeopoldBloom · M
@Torsten Women have to pay child support if the father is the custodial parent, so both are treated equally.
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Umile · 41-45, F
Unwanted. Rape, Incest, possible diseases.
I get it, but don't agree with.
Accidentally. If you're grown enough to do the deed, then you're grown enough to handle the consequences.
The only one that really loses is the fetus.
I get it, but don't agree with.
Accidentally. If you're grown enough to do the deed, then you're grown enough to handle the consequences.
The only one that really loses is the fetus.
bijouxbroussard · F
@ABCDEF7 GOP representatives in US government, including the governors of many of our southern states.
ABCDEF7 · M
@bijouxbroussard I am not an American citizen. I don't know them and can't say anything specifically about what I don't know.
bijouxbroussard · F
@ABCDEF7 Yes. And things have changed here. So some of the things you suggest are no longer available as options everywhere, unfortunately.
BittersweetPotato · 31-35, F
Of course.
KingofBones1 · 46-50, M
A woman's body. Her business
LeopoldBloom · M
@fanuc2013 Sure, when men can get pregnant they should have a choice.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@KingofBones1 Yup, drugs are not taxable so the govt has an issue with it which is pretty much it. People been arrested for finding ways to their own water and electricity but the issue is taxes. If they can't tax, it's illegal.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@fanuc2013 Actually in a lot of cases the father may want the woman to get an abortion too. In some cases the woman may not even want an abortion but the father does. It's not always the female who doesn't want kids.
Have never been in that position I can't say one way or another. Not wanting to be a parent is not a reason to have an abortion, you take that risk every single time you have unprotected sex, and unless it's a non-consensual encounter then it wasn't an accident, and responsibility must be taken. Abortion is not a form of birth control.
@LeopoldBloom im saying if she keeps getting pregnant and having abortion after abortion thats wrong. Abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@MyMonstersAreReal Well I think I would like the stats of women using abortion as a form of birth control, let's see if that's honestly the truth. Because I couldn't imagine someone having the money to do that.
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Dolimyte · 41-45, M
It's also an option for intentional pregnancies. Sometimes things change.
SW-User
"Accidental pregnancy" isn't possible. All women and all men know there is a possibility she will become pregnant if they have sex. Our bodies are meant to conceive and carry babies. This is why we have periods and ovulate every month. How can we forget this, and how can we not want our beautiful child?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@SW-User Oh, dude, I've got plenty of interesting stuff to say, bro. It's you who are being boring.
SW-User
@LordShadowfire Who are, or who is? There is only one of me...or is there?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@SW-User Okay, good question. Grammatically speaking, when I refer to you, that's second person. That requires the word are. If I were to say, "It's you who is", that would technically be the same thing as saying "You is".
softspokenman · M
Yes. A woman's body. A woman's choice and the circumstances are personal and private. Not for discussion or debate.
@softspokenman I would not shed any tears if they did.
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OogieBoogie · F
Its a sad necessary evil.
Women wouldnt need abortions if men were more responsible where they dispensed their sperm.
Women wouldnt need abortions if men were more responsible where they dispensed their sperm.
OogieBoogie · F
@sladejr It is isnt it?
Wouldn't you'd think men would be more considerate, and think of the potential life long repercussions 🤷
Wouldn't you'd think men would be more considerate, and think of the potential life long repercussions 🤷
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OogieBoogie · F
@sladejr 😏😉
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
It's up to the woman and her doctor but I believe the sooner it's done the better.
@CrazyMusicLover Yep, just suck it up with a vacuum like a bug before it gets too big 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
@NativePortlander1970 Exactly. Before it takes any recognizable form.
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
Yes, it's not my business.
Absolutely not all the time is it birth control. ESPECIALLY not 2nd and 3rd term.
They make it that far, the baby WAS wanted and clothes and nursery furniture purchased. Life plans made. Family and friends informed. Then something went horribly wrong and all the anti-late-term laws do is complicate an already heart wrenching process for some poor family making the worst choice they never wanted to make.
Absolutely not all the time is it birth control. ESPECIALLY not 2nd and 3rd term.
They make it that far, the baby WAS wanted and clothes and nursery furniture purchased. Life plans made. Family and friends informed. Then something went horribly wrong and all the anti-late-term laws do is complicate an already heart wrenching process for some poor family making the worst choice they never wanted to make.
NerdyPotato · M
Of course. Nobody has to throw their life away for someone else.
Jenny1234 · 51-55, F
Yes
Adogslife · 61-69, M
Accidental intercourse 🤔
Damn, now I feel like I’ve missed out.
I’m not an abortion advocate but 💯 % believe in a woman’s right to freedom of choice.
Damn, now I feel like I’ve missed out.
I’m not an abortion advocate but 💯 % believe in a woman’s right to freedom of choice.
Magenta · F
"Accidental"?? What does that even mean. We do all know what the ultimate purpose of having sex is, riiight? You know you have an option to do that too, riiight?
Unless you are referring to rape?
It's repulsive to me. What others choose is on them.
Unless you are referring to rape?
It's repulsive to me. What others choose is on them.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Magenta perhaps substituting unintentional is more appropriate. Not all sec is intended to produce a pregnancy. Sex can be the most beautiful, ultimate form of love.
Almost all, I use the almost to prevent arguments, types of contraceptives have a risk of failure. Alternatives mentioned are sort of "cop outs," such as the morning after pill, or such contraceptives like IDs, which both work by preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in a uterus.
Almost all, I use the almost to prevent arguments, types of contraceptives have a risk of failure. Alternatives mentioned are sort of "cop outs," such as the morning after pill, or such contraceptives like IDs, which both work by preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in a uterus.
Magenta · F
@samueltyler2 I wasn't asking.
ABCDEF7 · M
Some people also argue of considering themselves as an unwanted piece of life, and want that the suicide option be made legally & morally acceptable. After deciding that we can move to bit complex issue of governing some other life within yourself.
It is not for me to judge. I don't have the information to determine how this unwanted accidental pregnancy came to be.
We all know that contraceptives fail, that's why we don't rely on just one method to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
We all know that contraceptives fail, that's why we don't rely on just one method to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
softspokenman · M
Should a 45yo, or older, wife be forced to explain to authorities (?) why she didn't want a child because of her age and wanted an abortion ?
LeopoldBloom · M
@softspokenman Nobody should have to explain to anyone why they want an abortion.
CestManan · 46-50, F
@softspokenman After age 40, people do not often feel like they owe an explanation for their actions.
Besides, trying to have a brand new baby after age 40 does present some problems. I will be 50 soon and cannot imagine trying to deal with a 9 or 10 year old.
Besides, trying to have a brand new baby after age 40 does present some problems. I will be 50 soon and cannot imagine trying to deal with a 9 or 10 year old.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
People who fetishize the fetus are moral abominations.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
Yup 👍
nedkelly · 61-69, M
No, I can understand why ladies want an abortion especially if she has been raped, or the baby will be severely disabled and will only live for a couple of days
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
I don't see abortions as an ethical problem but I'm never getting pregnant so not my call
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@CountScrofula which birth control pill are you on?
LeopoldBloom · M
It’s not up to me since I can’t get pregnant. But if a woman wants an abortion, her reason for it is up to her.
Julien · 36-40, M
Of course , but my opinion doesn’t really matter in this case
SW-User
The night owl blocked me. I wonder what it said? Is it normal to block people for not supporting abortion?
@SW-User As for tge abortion supporters, they always block when they're losing the argument.
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@sladejr I read the statistics on an abortion provider page some years ago, it said only 3% were for heinous sexual violations, while 1.4% were for valid medical reasons, which would likely vary year to year, but those are the annual averages. That makes actual valid reasons less than 5%, the other 95+% are for cold blooded convenience.
Ontheroad · M
A great option.
Really · 80-89, M
'Abortion' is an abstraction unless you provide complete details of a specific, actual case.
missyann · 56-60
Those excuses are the main reasons for abortion
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@missyann Oh, don't you start with that.
LeopoldBloom · M
@missyann The main reason for abortion is the woman doesn't want to be pregnant or give birth. There are a handful of exceptions, like late-term abortions where the woman's health won't permit her to complete the pregnancy, or the fetus is severely deformed and abortion is the most merciful option.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
For me personally , yes . For everyone else, no.
(JK) it’s a yes .
(JK) it’s a yes .
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Who is paying for it
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Fundayafternoon · 56-60, F
Its not an option
LeopoldBloom · M
@Fundayafternoon It's always an option unless you place all pregnant women under 24 hour guard until they give birth.
Yes
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
It's an option, but one that should be weighed very seriously against the alternatives.
tenente · 100+, M
pregnant woman's choice. the end.
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SamInAZ · 41-45, M
No. That's murder for convenience.
LeopoldBloom · M
@SamInAZ You clearly never knew a pregnant woman. If you think giving birth is "convenient," please donate one of your kidneys to a dialysis patient. You can live with one kidney and will recover from the surgery in 6 weeks, you selfish POS.
Moneyonmymind · 31-35, M
Should be up to the woman.
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