To you, is abortion an option in case of an unwanted accidental pregnancy?

@sladejr how about a society taking care of its people....so they have the basic modern resources and safety to bring up a child ?

What a novel idea

@sladejr No.... there isnt enough.
Not for housing,
decent wages,
an actual functioning health system,
education
Disabilty support
....let alone safe streets for kids to grow up in.

Are you telling me that a society has no obligation to fulfil basic humanitarian rights ?

@OogieBoogie Social welfare programs help with parenthood but that’s not the same as pregnancy. Abortion still needs to be available for women who don’t want to give birth.

@sladejr i have sorrow for the fact that the reality is - not everyone is in a position to always be able to do that.

Its whywe have evolved to living in communal groups: society.
We do better when we help each other .

Im sure there are times in your life when someone helped you - emotionally, financially, physically, socially, at work ?

Even indirectly. Perhaps someone built their own company, that created a position that you applied for, which enabled you to have an income to survive ?

We are not islands .
Mankind has not come this far by us all being indendent.

And you know that .

@sladejr Your comments here are "beyond ghastly"

@sladejr you dont have to do anything for them.
There are crude syatems already in place, and hopefully more will be designed, (better), to address cause and reduce th incidence of this sad necessity of society.
You can completely ignore this issue and not deal with it at all, and cause yourself less stress over it.

However, if it does worry you, perhaps research it and discover the myriad of dysfunctional dynamics that lead to this being a problem ?

Can you blame someone for being poor? Uneducated? Lacking the self care skills and support they need to live and create a better life at such base levels, when the very society created ti support its citizens has become so dysfunctional itself it cant supply such basic levek needs and rights?

Did you know that in America more women get surgically sterilized than have access to the contraceptive pill ?.... availability of which is something like 12% - compared to Australia where it is near 50%?

Nearly 30% of Womens reproductive choice us being cut out, than it is being made a available self controllable choice.

Or that approximately half the number of abortions, happen to women who are using contraception?

Its a very complex situation.
And most women are doing the best they can with what they have.

Its am absolutely awdul decision to have to face, and traumatises women for life.
They rarely make that decision lightly.
And have a very short timeframe in which to decide😕

@OogieBoogie I agree with everything you said, other than that abortion "traumatizes women for life." Most women who have abortions are glad they did. Some women also regret having children. We need to make it more acceptable for women to talk about their abortions and how much they appreciate being able to have them.

@LeopoldBloomI hate to be pickknickerty and adverse, but i think youll find that even though women have made peace with having had to have an abortion - they are rarely, if ever "glad" about it.

And although they might feel they made the best choice they could at the the time, it doesn't mean it doesn't haunt them.

I do fully support your idea that we should be able to feel free to talk about motherhood and the choices to, or not to be a mother. The struggles and triumphs of both sides. And that aspects related around bith choices should NOT be the huge identity definer that it seems to be.

@OogieBoogie To clarify, I don't mean "glad they had an abortion" but "glad they were able to have an abortion." Just like any other major event, I'm sure many women think "what if I'd had the kid," same as many women wonder what their lives would have been like if they hadn't had kids or married someone else or moved to London to manage an art gallery.

That being said, many women don't regret their abortions at all.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-abortion-nearly-all-women-say-it-was-right-decision-study

@LeopoldBloom im sorry, one study of 667 women who volunteered does not, in my book, define a decent conducive statement for all womankind who have gone thru this experience.

Im very grateful for your fill support in this issue.
I just dont think such a small study, done of university students who evidently have the money, resources and education to get top quality timely care, and be working towards more elite futures, can at all, paint an accurate picture of the vast majority of women that go thru the diverse quality of such procedures, in circumstances more vaired than i can even imagine.

I really appreciate your wonderful empathy. I truly do🤗

But i do fully believe that the psychological and/or emotional damage is greater than you percieve.