@okaybut I am " getting " that feeling...hard to explain with words though. " you poor desolate sorry excuse of a soul"..

@revenant Yes that is it. There has to at least be an evaluation.

@okaybut not everyone is in the Justice system.

@Fable
Dont think its just applies to men only
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@TheFlippantSide perhaps it does not though

@revenant There is no horror in this world that is worse for a parent than their child being murdered. Yet you see instances where the parents will face the murder in court and forgive them. That doesn't they condone the actions of the murderer. That doesn't mean that person doesn't deserve to be punished, even to the point of capital punishment. But that is empathy, and a true demonstration of humanity.

@BlueVeins ahh but don't you think it does most times ? some people take all our energy till we are depleted of any.

@AntisocialTroll You're one of the best people I know.

@TheFlippantSide I'm really struggling not to hate certain people, it makes me feel like I'm bad, I have mad fantasies about hurting them at times and I don't like it, makes me feel as bad as them.

@AntisocialTroll Everyone struggles with that, as we should. It's not meant to be a comfortable place for anyone. I'm sure Gandhi wanted to punch someone in the mouth, at some point. You have a heart of gold.

@brokensignal yeah we should not put ourselves in harm's way..I do not understand the brain of a psychopath and perhaps it is a good thing !

@SlaveEt heart in the right place imo.

@revenant I don't so much wonder as count. In the past ten years the spending on housing in Germany has fallen by eighty percent. Homelessness has grown to surpass that in the USA during that time, one in eighty Germans is homeless by official estimates. That's a typical story in all countries except Singapore and Japan.

@revenant of course. I'm not going to be able to live indoors on what I earn. It's been that way since 1990, but I'm in the process of retirement anyway. I may even go on vacation some time.

@Roundandroundwego That is terrible. I met some people in Canada who became homeless just because they lost their job/going through divorce and then went on being unable to repay their mortgages or even have any money. Something is very wrong.

@littlepuppywantanewlife then why should you ?

@TurtleEclipseOfTheHeart yes do not open yourself to abuse !

@SW-User well put

@revenant I see empathy more as the mirroring or the ability to feel and understand what another person is feeling. Also being able to relate to the ways of how another person thinks about the world. So empathetic person could possibly connect to a disordered mind as well, twist the logic about what is right or wrong or even deny the existence of the right and wrong.

Also, I think there are many occasions where the person has empathy and compassion but ultimately they're cowards or paralyzed by fear. Simply they won't or can't do the right thing because of fear, self-protection and then beat themselves up out of guilt. That's not very productive or helpful either.

But okay, maybe I understand by the word empathy something else than others do. 🤔

@CrazyMusicLover I think there might be such thing as too much empathy..like you " melt" in some way with the other and cannot distinguish between the Other and You. Thus you could lose all identity and also provide too many excuses for bad behaviour. If you meet a bad person, it could be the end of you for they can suck all your energy.
That is the way I see it anyway.

@revenant Yes, yes, that's what I meant.

@Nevaeh0081 why is it hard though ?

@revenant How can you empathize with people who do such bad bad things? Sometimes you really can't justify it.

@Nevaeh0081 ahhh yes..perhaps it is not your fault that you fail to emphasize because the actions were so vile.

@Teggy it is a bit of the " forgive but not forget" mentality I would say.

@revenant oh yes I’ll take that explanation

@Teggy 😊 at your service Sir

@CrazyMusicLover Perhaps the mentality on the whole is meeker and more group conscious than in other countries ?

@CrazyMusicLover Because they treat people like humans regardless of the crime

@CrazyMusicLover Yeah we tried that here at the women's prison for murders etc. The women just walked out the gate and didn't come back until the police brought them back. The prison has since changed its policy and there are secure measures to keep the baddies on the inside.

@revenant True,though the paradigm is forgive those who do evil to you,its sometimes a real strain...yet I've seen storiesof Moms who met with their son/daughters murderer and forgave them..btw not related but I hope you have a great Easter

@bookerdana They are grand human beings. Would I be capable ? I do not know. Perhaps yes and perhaps no. Hey Happy Easter to you too !

@revenant I think that would be the feeling of 99,99% of humanity..the Shadow may say Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men....who knows what good there might be?

@val70 valid point

@BrewCityBarfly You can understand but does not mean you agree..yes

@revenant I was thinking about some I've known who got into trouble and were looking at doing time. I can empathize with their fear and their plight, but the bottom line, they made a conscious decision to do what they did and I can't support that.

@BrewCityBarfly fair enough. You are not their mother after all.

@Chattermanuk ah true..lack of self responsibility

@Funlov ln a sense. What if they're sick and not all the way there in the head? It would be really hard for me to empathize with people like that, but I understand the reason to.

@Nevaeh0081 yes for sure

@ABCDEF7 indeed.

@PoetryNEmotion l can usually shut it off for those people.

@PoetryNEmotion Those things dont deserve a thing.Just a bullet. So disgusting.

@Eddiesolds I know. They are the dregs of society. That is why I commented. Some people deserve a slow, agonizing death not empathy.

@Nihiless hmm yes...some can trick us and exploit our tender feelings.

@revenant No that's not what I meant, in other words, some people have committed heinous acts and deserve no empathy.

@Nihiless agree.

@tenente That is what we are taught to believe

@Fable You see a little kid crying in a corner. You can have both sympathy and empathy. You feel bad and desolate.

Then you see the little kid has knife hidden behind his back....