Mandates or Choice?

If i get the unknown number of shots,unknown because it keeps taking more and more i can still die from covid _ fact.If i get the shots i can still transmit covid to others fact.If i get the shot i could die from the shot fact. If i don't get the shot i could get covid survive and build immunity. To me the chance of dying from covid are the same either way except if i don't get the shot i don't have to worry about dying from it or dealing with the long term side effects. Wouldn't it be ironic if a working vacine could be created by studying the immunity built up by unvaxed covid survivors?

I'm gonna start a new thread here so my comments don't get buried.

I think an employer or a business owner is well within his or her rights to make a workplace safe for employees and customers. And governments are employers. Do you know any doctors who work in hospitals? Ask them what vaccinations are required for the job. As I said, a business owner is well within his or her rights to make a workplace safe for employees and customers. Those are the mandates I support.

I don't support refusal of health care for people who refuse vaccination with the exception that in a triage situation, when ERs or hospitals are overflowing, refuseniks should get a lower priority.

Here's a real simple hypothetical: three beds left in the ER, eight ambulances pull up with Covid pos people in respiratory distress. The triage doctor has to make a decision: who gets one of the 3 beds and immediate care vs who gets put back in the ambulance and sent to some other ER possible across town?

In that hypothetical, I totally support the triage doctor giving the beds to the vaccinated. Stats from 2021 say that 80% of our Covid deaths came from the 20% unvaccinated. Let's give the ER beds to those who took steps to protect themselves.

Has anyone who agreed with polio vaccine mandates changed their mind?
Has anyone who agreed with tetanus vaccine mandates changed their mind?
Has anyone who agreed with smallpox vaccine mandates changed their mind?
Has anyone who agreed with diptheria vaccine mandates changed their mind?
Has anyone who agreed with whooping cough vaccine mandates changed their mind?
Has anyone who agreed with measles vaccine mandates changed their mind?
Has anyone who agreed with mumps vaccine mandates changed their mind?

Most smart people realize that medical science knows more than they do about dealing with highly infectious diseases.

The science still shows that the covid vaccine is safe and life-saving, so I haven't changed my mind. I don't believe medical care should be withheld from those who are pro-covid and refuse the vaccine, but if there are other consequences such as limited travel, refusal of admission into restaurants or sporting events, then that is a choice that they have made. Actions (or inactions) have consequences.

I'd rather just have a vaccinate-or-test type of deal established at the federal level, + vaccine mandate for healthcare workers. I tend to think the government shouldn't force people to inject something into their body, but I also think the gov't should try to avoid lockdowns. If people are allowed to just spread disease willy-nilly, then that's gonna massively increase the likelihood of having to do another lockdown.

Having said all that, healthcare workers have to directly interact with immunocompromised and otherwise vulnerable people. Ordering them to vaccinate is completely necessary to public health and well-being.

I have always been for individual choice. If the vax can be shown to be safe and effective then you should be free to take them. However that is a mighty big if. The vaxes have not been properly tested for safety or efficacy which means that those who are taking the injections have no idea if they are taking safe effective vaxes or not. However as time has moved on it is becoming evident beyond doubt that the vaxes are not safe nor are they effective. As I posted earlier on twitter someone asked if the vax was safe. 1500 replies ALL said that they knew someone who was injured or killed by the vax. Most responders were listing 3 or 4 known injuries and death. No one should be forced or mandated to take such a death jab. NO ONE!

I tell you where they screwed up with their whole vaccination game. Two big mistakes -

They were wanting to mandate weekly covid tests for unvaccinated workers at places with 100+ employees. Most places with that many in one shop are big corporations like walmart. Big companies did not want to pay for that mess nor have a bunch of people out for several days at a time.
We know companies HATE for employees to use an excuse like sickness for missing work.

The second is they kept wanting to lower the age of qualification for this experimental shot. People got real antsy at the thought of their small children having to take it. Even some of the hardcore covid vaxxers had to say, "Hold on, wait a minute."

So to answer the question - yes some pro-mandate people changed their minds about the time it was announced that their small children could get this poisonous shot.
Adults subject themselves to dangers that they would never subject their kids to.

I am thankful that there are still places in my country where free people remain free. No gang of thugs were sent to arrest me or beat me in public because I had the good sense not to take a "vaccine" that was claimed to protect me from a virus that was 99% survivable. A vaccine so shrouded in lies. A vaccine that even the manufacturers would not take. A vaccine whose ingredients were kept secret and its long list of side effects hidden. A vaccine to vital to our survival that leftists in power tried to force people to take it.

As for consequences, our ICUs are full. Filled with the triple vaxed people . Nothing a government lies about to convince you to take and then tries to force upon you is good .

I am very thankful to be free.

Over 1200 sides effects were documented after the trials. I hate to say, “I told you so,” but arrogant people who know better than anyone else never listen. Looks like a good deal of them have also blocked me since this data was released. Fine by me.

I’ll stay loyal to my Immune system & my God

When my time comes I will be ready for those 72 Virgins

Everyone’s picked their side by now.. no amount of NEW information is going to change their minds…

Did anyone know covid was patented years ago?

Things that make you go hmmmmmm

In Australia nobody is denied medical care due to their choices around Covid so-called 'vaccine' drugs but I think a lot of people that just blindly accepted being jabbed are starting to re-assess if they made the right choice.

I'm still unjabbed and will be forever more re SCV2. Quite a few of my friends are, but heaps of people I know have given me shit for my position too.

No vaccine mandates have been passed by law in either Australia or New Zealand as far as I am aware.

Some employers require you to be vaccinated. That is their choice because under work, health and safety legislation they have to provide a safe workplace. However it is still up to the individual to choose.

MANDATES ARE WRONG

This was never anything to do with covid, the mandates are to control and bring in the next phrase. Fauci predicted it years ago.
Follow the money not the science.

Its a mandate without a choice. To have to get a deadly poke for the freedoms you used to have without it is a system of control , covid was just a tool to get there.

I'll take a fourth if the edition is released. I already caught covid though.

The pathetic thing is if we can not prove double vaccination are unable to go to work, eat at a restaurant, go to the gym, go to the cinema, attend a music festival.
Some won’t be able to attend university when the new semester kicks off.

In your country they withdrew medical care?

I have been a supporter of freedom of choice in regard to the vaccines from the very start and nothing has changed my mind..

My hospital had a strange mandate...to call the police on some people who phoned in strange painful symptoms and asked for help, while recently enrolled for something else (eg: one day surgery)

Period. Now I hear strange talk everywhere about preventing something. But it took 5 months for me to recover from "something" I caught right there at the local hall of healing

No connection between the two phenomena.
But I always tried to stay healthy and mostly succeeded

And as a hermit nobody caches anything from me

I was for mask mandates, but never covid passports..never made sense, but still in effect until 4/8.

That's crazy. I would never agree to that.

I haven't seen any recent stats. I DO think folks with emergency surgical needs or elective surgery should be given first priority. Traditional triage should remain on hold as non-vaccinated pts. retain the right to die.

You are so fucking stupid and are literally twisting people's words just so you can be upset and stir shit up. Get back in the sewer where you belong.

No more Covid talk. 🙂

Changing their minds would require thinking and NPCs don't think.

If I had my way, the police would be armed with dart guns filled with COVID vaccine and given orders to shoot people like you.