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Mandates or Choice?

Has anyone who agreed with covid injection mandates changed their minds? Has anyone who agreed with withdrawing medical care from people that didnt get injection ("its your choice, have the injection or face the consequences of your choice") changed their minds?
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
The science still shows that the covid vaccine is safe and life-saving, so I haven't changed my mind. I don't believe medical care should be withheld from those who are pro-covid and refuse the vaccine, but if there are other consequences such as limited travel, refusal of admission into restaurants or sporting events, then that is a choice that they have made. Actions (or inactions) have consequences.
SW-User
@windinhishair safe!? 1,223 died in the trials out of 40,00 from Pfizer alone.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User Please provide scientific data for the information you presented, including a source. The vaccine would never have been released with those kind of results. Please back up your claim.

The data from literally billions of vaccine shots globally continues to show the major vaccines used in the US (Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J) are safe and effective.
SW-User
@windinhishair Pfizer realised the data, I’ll find it…
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User Please. I would love to see the press release from Pfizer saying their vaccine would kill 3% and give another 30% long term effects.
SW-User
@windinhishair

Public Health and Medical Professionals for
Transparency, Pfizer / FDA FOI
https://phmpt.org
Request, Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)
https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/.
Against FDA
https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/.
The court order
https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/
List of downloadable documents
https://phmpt.org/pfizers-documents/
SW-User
[media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YOD9drZasM]

He explains the documents. You’ll find links to them in his info section in the video.
SW-User
https://rumble.com/vxl4lu-pfizers-attempt-to-conceal-their-safety-data-was-averted-dr.-jessica-rose-o.html
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User Thank you for providing the link to the Pfizer documents. I agree with the gentleman that believes (correctly in my opinion) that this information should be in the public domain and subject to public review. However, and very unfortunately, neither he nor Dr. Rose are able to interpret the data correctly. I listened to his video in full, and read the document he referenced (https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf) so as to judge whether he was interpreting the information fairly and correctly. He wasn't, nor was Dr. Rose.

The data presented are based on case reports that were available to Pfizer. Some of these were reported by medical professionals (60.3%) and non-medical sources (39.7%). These provided a total of 42,086 cases for review. It is unknown how many vaccinations are represented in total that generated these 42.086 reports. This is important because there were 1,223 deaths reported in people who took the vaccine. Note that this doesn't mean that 1,223 people died BECAUSE of the vaccine, only that people died following the vaccine being administered, which could have been from many causes, including covid itself. Deaths CAUSED by the vaccine are established by a review of the cause of death and would be reported directly and included on the death certificate.

The first thing that strikes me is that there was a long list of possible adverse reactions from the vaccine. This indicates to me that the evaluation was thorough in finding any potential changes following vaccine delivery. Review of these data are important in identifying any rare but significant events from a particular vaccine. Indeed, review of data like this was exactly what identified a rare side effect of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine involving deep vein thrombosis in a small number of women, which prompted changes in administration to women who might be subject to this rare incident.

Another notable inclusion in the cases was the specific symptoms of injection (e.g., pain and swelling at the site of injection, flu-like symptoms following injection, diarrhea, malaise, nausea, vomiting, etc. This was expected, but it swells the number of cases reported.

I was unable to view the Dr. Rose diatribe, but after her first sentence deliberately misattributing a death rate of 3% to the vaccine based on the data, her opinion can be disregarded as she doesn't have a clue about what she is saying.

The bottom line is that there is nothing in this report that by itself indicates that the Pfizer vaccine is either unsafe or ineffective. The FDA in the US and other governmental bodies in other nations who are knowledgable and experienced can take all of the information into consideration and make good, informed decisions. I believe they have done this with the vaccines, and consequently we have safe, effective vaccines that have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, and continue to do so. Now, if you'll excuse me, I believe the FDA has authorized a second booster shot of the Moderna vaccine for those over 50, and I should go get mine.
SW-User
@windinhishair ok 👍🏻 I just don’t get it at all, many have had injuries also, you’d put yourself at risk for a flu that you have a high survival rate from. 🤷🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User It is important that all of the data be reviewed in excruciating detail to ensure that the vaccines are safe to administer. The math is important. One thing that was missing from the Pfizer data (in fact, it was redacted) were the number of doses administered. The CDC tracks vaccinations and shows a total of 87,832,637 vaccines administered by February 28 of last year. The Pfizer vaccine was about half of that, so say 44,000,000 in the 2.5 months following authorization in the US. A human being lives on average 75 years. In an average 2.5-month period, 12,222 people out of every 44,000,000 will die from all causes combined. So data reporting that 1,223 people died after receiving the vaccine isn't an unexpected number at all, and doesn't mean that the vaccine caused their deaths. Still, the causes of death for those people should, and are, examined to see whether there is a causal effect. So far nothing significant has been identified.

I'm not sure what you are saying about the flu. I get an annual flu shot and will continue to. I also take pneumonia shots against the major pneumonia strains.
SW-User
@windinhishair covid I mean, the death rate wasn’t as bad as they made out.
They admitted it’s was just like flu.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User No it isn't, and no they haven't. Close to a million out of the US population of 330,000,000 has died of covid. As of this morning, as reported by the CDC, there have been an estimated 79,827,918 covid cases in the US, and deaths of 975,505. That's a death rate of 1.22%, which is much higher than the flu, about ten times higher in fact. The death rate among the unvaccinated is higher than that. That isn't similar to the flu at all. I'm sorry that you are misinformed.
SW-User
@windinhishair yeah the unvaccinated died because once they are in hospital they put them on drugs that cause organ failure.

They misled everyone about the figures. Many died with covid and not from covid.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User The unvaccinated died because they refused a safe and effective vaccine. That was and is their choice to risk death to believe misinformation. Unfortunately there have been hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths. Their choice had the ultimate consequence.

Please provide the list of drugs that every unvaccinated person took in the hospital that caused organ failure.

The deaths in the US over the past two years show excess deaths well above 1,000,000, so your statement is obviously wrong. In fact, if anything, the number of covid deaths are underreported, not inflated.
SW-User
@windinhishair [media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KTGVw7N2CA]

Remdesivir Was used on patients, many died from it and not covid as they again misled people.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User Remdesivir was one of the drugs that was hyped by anti-vaxxers and science deniers as a miracle cure, like hydroxychloriquine. Many unvaccinated demanded to be treated with it when they were hospitalized. It hasn't worked as advertised by the youtubers and anti-vaxxers.

In any event, it wasn't used as widely as you suggest and can't be blamed for the huge gap in poor outcomes for the unvaccinated and those who properly chose to take the vaccine.
SW-User
@windinhishair 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
SW-User
Did you not mean Ivermectin
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User I meant hydroxychloroquine. Ivermectin was another one. There were lots of bogus miracle cures being proposed without scientific support.
SW-User
@windinhishair Ivermectin wasn’t a bogus cure. I have a feeling you’ll disagree though 🤣

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windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic used as a horse dewormer. It can also be used in humans for parasites, but has not been shown to be effective for covid treatment. There are ongoing studies, so I'll follow the science on that one. But as of now, it is another overhyped miracle cure without sound basis.
SW-User
@windinhishair ok 👌🏻 science isn’t always right. Especially with large amounts of money involved 💵

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windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User Always choosing to take something that isn't shown to work, and not taking things that are proven to work, is unlikely to promote good outcomes in the future.
SW-User
@windinhishair the vaccines aren’t working. 🙄
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SW-User Except they do, as the data on billions of vaccinations shows.