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What made America Great?

What happened to leaders like this?? I know he wasn't perfect and you're all going to tell me all about the things he did wrong or illegal or whatever ... but I just love this speech...

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And please don't misunderstand me. I'm NOT an open borders advocate. But I DO believe strongly that lawful, orderly immigration is and has been one of America's strengths for 240+ years.

"If we ever close the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost."
~Ronald Reagen, President, USA
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Livingwell · 61-69, M
He was a man with principals, values, a sense of right and wrong, faith, and a strong love of his country. He'd never dishonor his office with antics, open disrespect, and revenge.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
@samueltyler2 Trump is no different - funding and support israel in it's phony war against Iran.
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zonavar68 · 56-60, M
@MethDozer as are all heads of state and elite.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
Any biologist will explain to you that diversity is the key to health, growth, and longevity.

Healthy democracies need and encourage high levels of socio-cultural diversity permeated by tolerance and mutual understanding.

Fascist states seek uniformity, and intolerance for anything that isn't like them.
(ein Volk! ein Reich! ein Führer!)

Hey, america - guess what you've become
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@samueltyler2 We've been friends a long time, Sam. The occasional heated discussion or disagreement shouldn't change that.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@sarabee1995 Awe, thanks. May I say that I love you, in my own way?
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@newjaninev2 I don't disagree. The radicals have been working to stack the judiciary since Gingrich's time, right under the eye of everyone. It is amazing to me how they were able to gain this much power. I am only comforted by the history, that whenever such power has corrupted in the past, in other countries, those that did it ended up on a rope!
swirlie ·
You asked a question, "What made America great?" and you also made reference to Ronald Reagan. I am going to address your question but I am not going to address Ronald Reagan because I don't think he's relevant to your question, though he was a great Statesman for his time. The reason that President Reagan is not relevant to your question is because none of America's 47 Presidents to date are responsible for America becoming "great' in the first place.

When America was made 'great' was at a time when it's new-found freedom was established after the Declaration of Independence was signed by all parties concerned, including the King of England who formalized America's divorce from Great Britain on September 3rd, 1783, not the 4th of July 1776.

Yes it is true, Americans declared themselves an Independent Nation on the 4th of July, 1776 but that was only America's opinion of who they were and what they were all about and where their minds were at collectively!

In the minds of the early settlers of America, they thought they were the one's who called the shots, not the King of England. But the King held the deed to the ranch, so it was actually the King who called the shots and not all those rebellious 'commoners' who thought they out-ranked the King of England.

Great Britain still had to agree to America becoming an independent Nation and it took another 7 years before Great Britain formally 'ALLOWED' the 13 colonies of what is now the United States of America, to in fact become independent of Great Britain.

It was at that point that Great Britain handed the 13 colonies of America the deed to it's inherited ranch. It was therefore the 3rd of September, 1783 that America WAS GRANTED it's Independence from Great Britain, BY the King of England.

That being said, when Americans now speak of "freedom" and living in the land of "The Free", those quoted words generally apply directly to the United States of America because of it's historical past involving it's past relationship with Great Britain, though every other country in the world that is not living under a Dictatorship regime, enjoy the same level of "freedom" that is otherwise usually only ever made in reference to the USA, simply because of America's tumultuous past and it's relationship with Great Britain.

"Freedom" from the King therefore, was a huge deal at the time, whereas freedom in most other free Nations was not as sticky an arrangement as was America's relationship with the King of England.

What "freedom" actually means in the USA (and everywhere else I mentioned for that matter), is the unrestricted ability for that country's citizens to grow and prosper at their OWN will, not at the will of a King; to become whatever they want to become when they 'grow up', not what the King wanted them to become; to fly as high as their ability and ambition would take them and not have altitude restrictions imposed onto them by some narcissistic King who's never been part of the action on a different continent, thousands of miles away.

When America was under the thumb of the King of England back in the 1700's and a large portion of everything that America ever earned on it's own..$$.. was sent home to the Mother Ship called Great Britain who pretty much dictated how much they'd take for the Crown in the form of 'taxation' ...and how much those annoying peasant Americans would be allowed to keep in their pockets which was called 'after King's income', which of course became America's net income.

What made America great was the freedom of Will for all concerned that followed, after the King of England cut America loose and wished it a safe voyage, though he didn't really mean it because he was a prick at the core of his being. The freedom to choose, the freedom to grow, the freedom to prosper at one's own Will is the definition of "Freedom" and is what makes a country great for it's citizens to thrive in.

What made America great therefore, was nobody standing it America's way as it grew and prospered on it's own, in ways America saw fit for all concerned who lived in the country for the next 240+ years and of course beyond.

That is why it was nothing specific that we can put our finger on, nor was it a specific date of recent times that modern day Americans can reflect back upon when looking for that 'state of greatness' that somehow got left behind, because what made America great was it's new-found freedom after those first few brave souls broke away from an authoritarian King who saw himself as Supreme Commander of the world and beyond, according to the legend he created of himself in his own mind.

That is why the United States can't go back to a time when America was 'great' because that time in question is actually the 'present moment', not the past!

When the day comes around again that Americans will no longer be restricted in their movement nor prevented from growing while being subject to the changing whims of an authoritarian government, only then will America be great again, just like it was in the beginning. But that does not necessarily mean that America isn't there already... or is soon to be! 🇨🇦 🇺🇸
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@swirlie Her Swirls! I love this. Thank you for putting the time and thought into it.

In response, first, the history... July 4 is certainly NOT America's birthday. On that we agree. But neither is September 3.

After our Declaration and England's final acceptance of it, we were not yet the United States of America. We were at that time the Thirteen Independent & Sovereign States of America. It wasn't until 1789 that the United States was born with the enactment of the new federal government under the powers granted in the Constitution.

But to your larger point, yes, freedom and liberty are at the core of what enabled America such greatness in the past and, if preserved, what will be the foundation of greatness again. I think you make a point here equal in validity to mine (presented in the video).

My point was simply that what enabled our greatness was the fact that, like no other nation before us, America through it's foundational immigration represented all the people's of the world. I'm only thirty years old and yet three of of my four grandparents were born outside the United States and were naturalized citizens. They chose to become Americans. 😌
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
For a B or C grade Actor he was a President that had values.

Apart from First Nation Tribes and their descendants the rest of Americans all descend from immigrants even if some of that was somewhat forced. (Slavery)
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@KiwiBird Yes, for sure. And that is the point here. Only one of my grandparents was born an American. The other three became Americans by choice (choice of theirs or their parents).
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
These days the GOPers would attack him as a left-wing pinko for some of his beliefs. He was a disaster for the economy, almost got us into a nuclear war with the USSR, took credit for the fall of the Berlin Wall when he had nothing to do with it, broke Federal laws, etc., etc., etc. But he was an actor and knew how to talk convincingly to the public.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ChipmunkErnie Lol ... Yup, I predicted that you all would tell me what was wrong with him. My post wasn't about him as much as it was about THIS SPEECH.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@sarabee1995 Good to know you are prescient. The speech is good -- but who knows if he meant it? Or if he knew what he was saying.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ChipmunkErnie 🤦‍♀
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
It wasnt the leadership that made America great. It was the people, with willingness to work for the future of their children and big ideas they aspired to.. Now the real leadership hides behind money and has ideas for the quick profit now..😷
Livingwell · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 I think many want to hide within their self m-made bunkers and ignore what is clearly unspeakable behavior that would have never been acceptable 10yrs ago. Evangelicals which were very vocal about everything turn their heads now. And division couldn't be a bigger issue. I don't think anyone thinks that immigration, the budget, and other important topics are the wrong ones to focus on. But the way they are being addressed is fucked up. A clear example is the former leader of DOGE who was recently God's child is now being investigated for removal of citizenship and deportation. Anyone that defies the administration is a target. It's personal.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Livingwell I don't disagree with most of what you say here, but there are areas of it that I just choose not to talk about. But yes. 😬
Livingwell · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 I understand. I apologize if I soured your post.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
Many historians date the emergence of the radical right MAGA movement to RR. For one, look at his anti-inion approach
swirlie ·
@sarabee1995
For what it's worth, ignore it. You are spinning your wheels on this one. There is a dead headspace he operates in and you will not correct what is not a part of his reality, no matter how much logic you invest in the effort.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@swirlie You're probably right, Swirls, but Sam is a friend and I needed to try. 🤷‍♀
swirlie ·
@sarabee1995
Oh, but Sam is a friend of mine too! If your friends won't tell it like it is, then who can you depend on?
Bumbles · 51-55, M
I’ll take Reagan any day over Trump.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Bumbles so would i, but we would also need to go back all those years. This country has become radicalized n
Monalisasmith86 · 41-45, F
@sarabee1995 he’s definition of an American living the American dream
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Monalisasmith86 🤷‍♀
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ShenaniganFoodie · 36-40, M
Over the last 15 - 20 years, other countries have laughed at the American people & the country due to the leaders they have chosen.

Back in the 80's,,,,,,,,,,,, NO ONE laught at Ronald Reagen
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ShenaniganFoodie This is a big part of what I'm talking about here and in recent posts. Our presidents cannot focus just on America. Like it or not, "Leader of the Free World" is a thing and a responsibility. One that I feel we are currently shirking.
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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@TinyViolins Interesting take. I do agree with much of what you say here.
Miram · 31-35, F
Vegas Giant Ball
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Miram Huh?
Miram · 31-35, F
@sarabee1995



What made America Great?



sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Miram Oh right. I've heard of that thing. Never actually seen it though.
Ronald Reagen was an awful president, but in comparison to what we have now, eeeeesh...

[media=https://youtu.be/1uFjLCzHB8M]
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
Listen to the Speech. FFS this is what the post is about.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@KiwiBird Lol, thanks. Yes, it is about the content, not the messenger. 👍
MethDozer · M
Really? Ronald Reagan? That man is what arguably took America from any greatness it had. His policies destroyed the middle class for the next four decades, ruined our cities, and destroyed mental health services in his country


Ronald Reagan is what brought us to where we are at today. He was a terrible president and a terrible human being
MethDozer · M
@swirlie She was. Socialite. That's pretty much their whole personality and only talent
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@MethDozer @samueltyler2 Lol, thank you, Sam, for helping to enforce my authoritarian policies! 🤣🤣🤣

But seriously, I could've chosen any post-war twentieth century president (Eisenhower thru Clinton) for a video clip espousing immigration as a source of America's greatness. The reason I chose this one was the admonition at the end about losing greatness.
swirlie ·
@MethDozer
Do you sport an Elvis Presley 1960's haircut or do you wear your hair more like the Ronald Reagan Presidential 'look'?

 
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