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What made America Great?

What happened to leaders like this?? I know he wasn't perfect and you're all going to tell me all about the things he did wrong or illegal or whatever ... but I just love this speech...

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And please don't misunderstand me. I'm NOT an open borders advocate. But I DO believe strongly that lawful, orderly immigration is and has been one of America's strengths for 240+ years.

"If we ever close the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost."
~Ronald Reagen, President, USA
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samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
Many historians date the emergence of the radical right MAGA movement to RR. For one, look at his anti-inion approach
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@samueltyler2 I'm totally surprised by this. Because it happened to be Ross Perot, the very guy that Ronald Reagan beat on the independent ticket.

The similarities between Perot and Trump are uncanny.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@samueltyler2 I think you meant anti-union, right? I'm trying to understand what in the world that has to do with this post, but okay. 🤷‍♀
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@sarabee1995 yes, it took me three looks to find the typo. It was i. Response to those that call him the one who started to make America "great again.". To my eyes, there is a direct link between RR, Gingrich and TACO
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@samueltyler2 even Nixon and Bush before and after Reagan were anti-union. That's a typical Republican stance. Perot was even stronger on anti-union. Perot wanted to run as Republican but couldn't. Reagan had too much charm.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@samueltyler2 And again, all that has nothing to do with this post!!

Are you so full of hate for this dead guy from history that a post on an entirely different subject can't be made mentioning him without you going off again and again about what a bad dude he was??

This post is about the speech which said that what made America great was, in fact, that we are a melting pot, a nation of immigrants. But go ahead ... just focus on your hate for our former President.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@sarabee1995 I am not full of hate. I am sorry you feel the way you do. Are you then proposing that we open the borders so that anyone can become an American?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 I'll say this about Reagan. Of all the Republicans I have known, he was the least offensive. He was a Democrat once, as the president of the screen actors guild (BTW a union), before he ran for governor of California. My father cursed Reagan at that switching of parties though.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@DeWayfarer she will say we are buying from the topic, but look back on RR role in the McCarthy fiasco.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@samueltyler2 it is off topic. Yet I still don't believe you understood Reagan.

The only reason why Reagan switched parties just before becoming governor of California was over the taxes on a house of his.

And again Reagan was the president of the screen actors guild. A huge union in California.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@samueltyler2 You're sorry I feel the way I do?? But you're not full of hate??? Really??

I put up a post that is OBVIOUSLY about immigration, and you go off in your own comment and in reply to other people's comments not about immigration but about what a bad dude our former president was. If that's not indicative of being full of hate for the guy, then I don't know what is. Whatever, let's drop that. No president I have ever studied, read about, or lived under has been perfect or all good. They are human.

But, thank you for returning to the subject of immigration and borders. No, I'm not in the "open borders" camp. At least not today. I do find the concept of open borders to be an aspirational goal though.

The problem with open borders in the Americas today is that there is too much economic disparity across borders. The Schengen Area works quite well in Europe (sure there are some issues, but in general it works very well). I would love to see similar concepts grow around the world as economies develop and neighbors become closer. We are far from this in the Americas though.

Instead, I demand good governance. As we deport and block our undocumented / illegal workers, we are finding that more and more industries had grown to depend on these people. And it is worth noting that America's economic dependance on a second class of people to whom we would grant none of the benefits of a civilized society is immoral almost on the level of the African slave trade. But I digress. No, I say again, I demand good governance:
1) My Federal Department of Labor should study and issue reports on how many migrant workers are needed seasonally and annually in various industries (agriculture, hospitality, construction, etc, etc).
2) Based on that report, the Department of State should issue Visas in the appropriate number and type and disburse them at our embassies and counselor offices around the world (absolutely not ever at our borders).
3) Those migrant workers should be subject to all the benefits of working in a civilized society that we demand for ourselves (OSHA, Workmen's Comp, Unemployment Insurance, Social Security, Medicare, etc, etc, etc) ... and yes, all those benefits should be paid for in the same way that they are funded for all of us (payroll deductions). Yes, this will drive the cost of labor for these industries MUCH higher. Fine. Get used to expensive eggs.

And as for amnesty for those who have already broken our laws by overstaying visas or crossing our borders without the benefit of Law, sorry, been there, done that. We already gave amnesty to millions of undocumented people in the eighties under, you guessed it, Ronald Reagan. I don't see any reason to do it again. I wouldn't ban these people from ever immigrating here legally, but they would need to get in line BEHIND those already in line at our embassies and counselor offices around the world and do it right. We are a nation of laws and I, for one, want to remain as such.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@sarabee1995 I said I was sorry for changing what you thought was the subject. You have to accept that. I don't need a long diatribe claiming you can tell what I feel about someone. I reserve the term hate very carefully.

Have a good rest of the day!

Regardless what you say now, I will ignore it and we can each go to our mutual corners, if you know what I am alluding to.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@samueltyler2 I have no love for the author of Reaganomics (Supply side economics) Yet I understand him better than most. I grew up in California. Not far from Nixon's library.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@DeWayfarer my heart goes out to you!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@samueltyler2 Your prior comment contained two thoughts, Reagan (again) and immigration. I responded to both, but the vast majority of my response was on immigration. It was hardly a long diatribe on your feelings regarding the president. 🤷‍♀
@sarabee1995
For what it's worth, ignore it. You are spinning your wheels on this one. There is a dead headspace he operates in and you will not correct what is not a part of his reality, no matter how much logic you invest in the effort.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@swirlie You're probably right, Swirls, but Sam is a friend and I needed to try. 🤷‍♀
@sarabee1995
Oh, but Sam is a friend of mine too! If your friends won't tell it like it is, then who can you depend on?
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@swirlie I agree 110%!!!