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Do you dislike all Americans because of their President?

A very similar post was up for a short time yesterday before being removed for reasons only known to the poster. However, the deletion meant that some very positive comments disappeared along with an interesting sub-thread with views about why Trump was considered the lesser of two evils to some voters. I am giving a chance to those who responded to re-post or for new contributions.

Here's my answer:

No. I know of many fine Americans who have morals and integrity and who are suffering a great deal of angst an the moment as they see what's happening.
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caPnAhab · 26-30, M Best Comment
Nope. I don't.

I really try to avoid generalizing large groups and choose to engage with people as individuals. And I hope that people would talk with me as an individual

The government in any nation doesn't represent all of it's people
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@caPnAhab It was concise and to the point summarising what many people have said. Lots of other excellent comments, but yours is focused.
Crazychick · 36-40, F
@caPnAhab The government in any nation doesn't represent all of ITS people. No apostrophe.
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Fungirlmmm · 51-55, F
I don't hate any country just because of their president. I dont hate Korea, China, Russia, or any of the other countries that have leaders that I tend to do the side eye at their mention. A country is made up of individuals, and unfortunately some people cannot get past what they see on TV to realize that what they are being fed a microscopic controlled view. I say this as a person that has traveled extensively on an international level. Good, bad, beautiful, or ugly we are all individual and unique... Dislike is a prettier word but hate will eat you up and Media should be ashamed for fueling that. If someone hates America and has never visited, please do so legally. You will see a different picture of America than what you are fed on the news. Just be ready to see a lot of devastation right now, because the Carolinas, Tennessee, Florida were all hit with massive hurricanes that they are predicting some of those states will take decades to recover and then California is on fire as well with massive damage. We have our problems but I would rather be herecthan many other countries I have visited.
Fungirlmmm · 51-55, F
@FreddieUK Youre welcome. I felt like I had to point out that a lot of thd posts I have seen use the "h word" like any of us can truly control what others do. Much respect in my heart for you and others who can see beyond the hype.
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@Fungirlmmm I'm considering visiting another country to test the waters and see if the people there are more understanding there than here.
No, I only dislike those who voted for him. And no, I don't think a political vote defines what kind of person someone is, but this election wasn't political. It was about raising or resisting tyranny, and that says everything about someone's morals.
ffony · M
@NerdyPotato The subject heading of this topic is the question "Do you dislike all Americans because of their President?" It b]explicitly NOT about 'the extermination ...' of anyone.

Saying someone is not open minded about something is 100% ambiguous, unless you reveal what you think they believe on that subject. They can be close-minded and be either agreeing or disagreeing with whatever you're talking about.
@ffony you're replying to the comments to the main post though, not the main post itself. Check the context again. This sub-thread is very much about that.
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Philth · 46-50, M
Interesting post.

I'll come straight out and say if I'm about to meet someone new who I'm told is American, I'll be bracing myself.

Sure, I know that the media can choose to show us only a certain perspective in order to skew our views. I also believe that there's some really decent folk out there. Then again, I also know someone who left the country because of Trump... The last time around.

However. From what I experience via profile - to - profile contact with people via social media... Its really not pretty. I'm on a few specialist interest pages mostly engineering related with users from all over the World and of course people have differing viewpoints - they disagree. This is normal. However, if an argument descends into "what the hell would you know, what is your tinpot country known in greatness for" then the user posting this WILL be an American. If I see someone from a smaller nation showing a really clever or novel way of overcoming a problem then the person mocking them with "that's a dumbass way of doing it" will always be an American. They're not interested in that the other user might not have access to the correct (often extremely expensive) tools - they just want to belittle and can't think beyond the way that they've always overcome that challenge. I might see a young lad from a developing nation put up a proud post of his first lathe, operating on a dirt floor from beneath a tin roof with chickens around his feet. Yes, of course it's a worn-out knackered old thing that would be considered scrap in a Western nation. But he's proud of what he has, that he's learning a trade and is performing useful work. There will be many encouraging comments but again, the put-downs will always come from an American. Others may intervene in the lad's defence but.... "Don't tell me what to think. I'm from the nation which put a man on the moon"

Considering that Murica is supposedly a developed nation, what's with the staggering number of construction site fatalities, crane collapses, and the frankly Third World number of train crashes particularly at level crossings? That many communities are drinking heavily polluted water, people don't have access to decent healthcare and that anything resembling a helping hand from the State is immediately branded as dangerous communism? What about the general level of education and that many Americans believe that any invention of any significance always stems from their own nation, not anywhere else? The brainwashing is what you'd expect to be Soviet.

Yes, I am sure that there's a ton of decent, kind, rational thinking folk out there - but the voices which reach me most aren't from those people. For these reasons, I'm bracing myself until proven wrong. Let the decent folk of America rise up against the horrifying events we're currently hearing about.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@Philth A thoughtful addition to the debate. I understand the descriptions of the kind of Americans you describe and some of them have tried to provoke on this thread, but look around SW and you will find a whole lot of people with intellectual integrity and who (for the most part) avoid the slanging match you describe.

I am 100% with you on the way some Americans treat those from poorer countries, but this is to be expected from the kind of person who truly believes that poor people have chosen to be poor and it's all their own fault. Crazy, I know.

When living under oppression, whether by law or just mob culture, it is difficult to stand up to the bullies, and we see this in Russia, Hungary and Belarus as well as China and the ultimate in dictatorship, North Korea, so although I am with you in encouraging the right thinking folk to stand up, I also have sympathy for their predicament at this moment.
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WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M
Absolutely not. I can’t think of a country that hasn’t had weak or terrible leaders, and America is no exception.

And I’ve had enough personal experiences working alongside Americans to never give up on them lightly. You can celebrate differences and make fun of each other but still stand together on the things that matter.

This is Ofcourse ignoring the obvious fact that you can’t hold 300 million people responsible for one man. I’d guess there’s even a percentage who did vote for him who might be having some regrets. I’ve certainly cast a vote I wish I hadn’t in my life.

I think the lasting impression on me is that a great country of very skilled people, why are their leadership options always so bad?
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@WintaTheAngle I think many of us have asked that question in recent months.
WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M
@FreddieUK I think the challenge is, that we now have to deal with Trump directly, but without creating an Us/Them situation. He’s bad news and he’s going to wreck Americas international standing if he carries on this trajectory, but the American people must not be made to feel a door has closed on them. It won’t be simple.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@WintaTheAngle Absolutely agree.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
It brings an interesting wider question:

Should you judge a people for the sins of the nation state?

Our native UK is now a middle-sized nation that has negligible global impact. In the 19th century, 'we' were the world's most powerful nation and did a lot of bad things. Our colonial legacy still has enormous impact the world over: from Africa to India, to Canada to America itself. . You can even make the case (based on history, shared language etc) that modern America is the successor to the British empire.

Are we to blame for the sins of our compatriots and our great grandfathers? No, but it's good to be aware of it and acknowledge the problems with the legacy.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 Very much so.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I've met plenty of Americans irll and on here, so it's a firm 'no' from me

I don't even dislike all Trump supporters. I think they are badly wrong.

The trump supporters who troll and insult people who are trying to engage in debate: Those I do dislike
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 I have come to the conclusion that actually there are only about half-a-dozen mouthy Trump supporters on here who just like to throw abuse around for fun and who have a selection of standard insults. I am now not responding to them any more. There are a couple who make a good go of debating and I can at least learn something from them about why they think the way they do.
Less than a month after his inauguration, people from specific groups who voted for Trump are complaining about him implementing things he clearly stated he planned to do. I really don’t know what is wrong with them. Were they not paying attention ? I can’t feel bad for them, but I can’t gloat, either—if this plane crashes, it’s going down with all of us. 😞
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
Well see here's the thing that I have issues with. In Poland there's no gay zones where gay people have to navigate around or risk being killed. I watched a documentary once and there's secret maps for LGBT people to safely navigate so they don't get killed.

But see, if Poland wasn't like this in the majority then there would be no .. no gay zones this is the issue. So is the entire population to blame? I mean no there's persecuted minorities who didn't ask to be apart of anything but at the same time, if it gets to that point, you kind of have to wonder about the character of the majority and where does judgement for them end and begin.

You see that's my issue kinda.

It's kinda of a weird example but I am just wondering about how I'm not supposed to judge people by their actions collectively. So weird example I know but often times I see a president that is anti gay and anti gay is the majority and if that's the majority then I can't say I can't judge them. You get it?

Not trying to start anything either, it's just a legitimate question.
@ffony
without rational justification

Thanks for the confirmation of my assumptions about you👍
ffony · M
@NerdyPotato You're way off base and out of your tree.
Aww, looks like he blocked me. The truth hurts apparently.
Thank you. I've recently come to realize how much pain and suffering my country causes for others. I'm sorry it's something I never saw before.
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
No, I don't even hate all Russians. Many people are just trapped in countries that were hijacked by the worst kind of people. I should know, I live in one too.
swirlie · 31-35, F
@CrazyMusicLover
I should know, I live in one too.

You should know because you live in one too? What country do you live in then?

Your profile is intentionally devoid of that information, yet you want us to take your word for it that you know what it's all about to be trapped in a country that was hijacked by the worst kind of people because you live in one such country?

You've told us this much, now go ahead and finish what you've started.
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
@swirlie https://similarworlds.com/uncategorized/5216135-Should-India-impose-higher-GST-and-stricter-labelling-norms
I took it down because some of the comments were becoming dismissive and insulting. I decided to not to be a gathering place for that.

You can see that you've attracted the negativity as well.

Maga is an infection. You can't reason with them. It's very plain to everyone but them.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@MarbleMarvel I'm ignoring anyone who is out just to cause a fruitless argument. I'm grateful that you set us going. 👍
daydeeo · 61-69, M
@MarbleMarvel Sure glad you dont indulge in those dismissive and insulting comments....
ffony · M
@FreddieUK Haha: then here comes Day-oh da day-dee-o
LMNtal · 22-25, M
I try not to judge a people (or their country) by their leaders. I love to travel, and I won't be put off from visiting a place, and interacting with the people, just because their head of state isn't great.
FelicityDavenport · 26-30, F
No, I just think there's a lot of sadly misguided people around, that are fuelled by paranoia and fear, who aren't understanding the implications of their actions.

America is such a beautiful country, with some really lovely people in it that I have personally met.

It's such a shame. The land of the not-so-free.

🤔
Justmeraeagain · 56-60, F
Being an American, I can't be neutral of course, but I believe there is good and bad in all people despite their governments or countries they come from.
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
My general dislike of a country's national leader hardly affects my outlook towards a country's people.

On the whole, people are just people, regardless of which part of the world they originate from.
ffony · M
@Sidewinder Until they get together in groups. Then they can be less than human.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire My condolences.
ffony · M
@Burnley123 [i]What about[/i] your condolences? If that's an attempt at sarcasm it fails for lack of context and address.
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BeJeweled · 61-69, F
Dont judge a race, culture or country because of who their current president or leader is. There are wonderful, compassionate and kind hearted people world wide who hope for a kinder and gentler world.
Adogslife · 61-69, M
I’m a Republican that’s displeased at Trump and the direction of the party.

I voted “against” Trump versus “for” Kamala and her attempted pseudo-coup.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@Adogslife I think it was a hard choice for many Republicans to go against their instincts.
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Adogslife · 61-69, M
@Adogslife Ohh, a downvote! 😂

Hopefully you realize that not every Republican voted for the orange god.

Next time respond. At least then I could be charitable and send you a tampon with my SW bucks. 😉
LordShadowfire · 46-50, MVIP
I agree, and I would say that's true of every country on the planet. You have good and bad people in every country, and just because there is a feminine hygiene product in charge of the country, that doesn't mean everybody in the country is bad. In many countries, a bad leader in charge means that everybody suffers under them, and would absolutely love it if someone were to depose them.
SmoKin · M
No.
My media feeds are flooded with Americans who are genuinely distressed and afraid of what is to come.
It makes me sad.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@SmoKin If you believe what the media says, then Trump never won an election.
SmoKin · M
@nudistsueaz I’m talking about social media. Real people.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@SmoKin Oh, well that's almost a huge difference, isn't it?
I'm too busy hating the British for allowing our country to get to the point where members of the public feel comfortable with demanding to see "proof" of people's disability out on the streets. How do you show them a heart attack or a bleed on the brain??? Who died and made them doctors anyway???

Then we have benefit claimants labelled as "scroungers" - that's been happening since 2016... and is getting to the point where members of the public are also at it now.

People don't see that, if Britain doesn't wake up and smell the coffee, then we are going to the exact same place as where America is right now.

The brain washing and conditioning has been going on for over a decade at this point.
not at all...i have a few american friends on here and i enjoy talking to my customers and suppliers
bookerdana · M
I AM an American..I can understand their dislike b/c of our bullying posture toward other countries,the blase use of the Nazi salute,and the ugly stance of some of our citizens
bookerdana · M
@FreddieUK But the images that come through the internet -television are powerful..the demonizing of immigrants who may have been here for over ten years and contribute to their community and country..on SW there is an international feel ,we see folks from every continent daily..but my friend in Canada is afraid they will lose their health care if the 51st state thing goes through
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swirlie · 31-35, F
@Fungirlmmm
I am not going to name the country as I do not want to detract so much, but I visited a country where the men urinated on the walkways that we had to use to go to and from our transportation.

France? Whether it was or not, that's what men wearing 3-piece suits do on their walk to work in the morning in downtown France.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
No I don't associate any individual with the leader of their nation. I despised Biden and Obama but not the American people. I live in a country run by an absolutely corrupt individual. I don't blame fellow Canadians because of him.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
The problem always has been when we have a weak and feckless president. The last one had no mental capacity, and his autopen signed whatever the socialists decided.

Trump is not weak or feckless, nor is he emptying the treasury for liberal causes foreign nor domestic. He demands the rule of law, and meriticracy be reinstated.

Trump speaks clearly and intelligently. Sometimes in sarcasm. The liberal media hates that. They hate not being able to shape stories and are losing power. The people now have direct access and it upsets the fiefdom.

Trump is direct. The government has grown too large. It is no longer accountable to the people. It needs to be reduced considerably. We need term limits. We need our politicians to fear the people, not the people fear the government.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@FreddieUK please continue your bash America thread unimpeded by opposition. I read it as all Presidents, not just the one you hate
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@MasterLee Have you not read my comment? Have you not read all the supportive comments of American people. No bashing of America on my part, I assure you.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@FreddieUK why yes I have read your comments
I like all ppl from all countries..
Not a fan of their or my own government…
Jeephikelove · 51-55, F
Lilymoon · F
No I've met a lot of nice Americans while travelling.

But.... I do hate the media and politics
meggie · F
No. There are good and bad people in every race. You can't dislike any whole race because of their president.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@meggie Perhaps I would use the word 'nation' rather than 'race' in this case as one of the boasts of the USA is that it has been a 'melting pot' of races. But what you say is true in either case.
meggie · F
@FreddieUK oops, yes you are right.
MaryJo1996 · 26-30, F
Not sure why anyone would dislike a countries whole population because of who their leader is. Be that leader elected or otherwise.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@MaryJo1996 I was concerned at the general atmosphere building up that seemed to encompass the whole nation regardless of their support for the new administration (is that the right word at the moment?) or not. It's great to see so many positive comments about the people even while chaos is forced on people (as promised).
Lugwho · 56-60, M
No. I dislike their president.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@bijouxbroussard And I think many of us want to stand with you as you try to bring kindness and sanity into the chaos of cruelty and madness. Your voices must not be silenced.
Lugwho · 56-60, M
@bijouxbroussard I know. The hard thing to believe is how many do like him.
jenni100 · 18-21, F
@Lugwho it's sad that people on here don't even make the effort or see the need to.
No. And I wish them luck, because they are going to need it.
Gangstress · 41-45, F
No not at all
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@Gangstress That's good.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Certainly not, any more than my views about any other nation's residents are based on my views of their leaders.
No, I don't dislike all Americans but a democratically elected government has to be answered for by the electorate
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP I haven't seen that suggestion too often on SW, but I have heard Americans discuss it seriously in other places. As it happens, this time round the popular vote and the Electoral College vote coincided.
@FreddieUK a lot of Americans think their electoral system could be improved and I'm with them on that. But if my country had that system, I'd still say it was a democracy and so when it came down to acts by my government, I would welcome the praise we received for the positive and begrudgingly accept the brickbats for the bad.
To use a more concrete example: if my government levied retaliatory tariffs, would the collateral damage to undeserving Americans make it the wrong thing to do?
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP It's a question in all countries. It seems in this case though, that a lot of the people who voted for this government are going to be the ones to suffer. Some might say they deserve it, but others might say they were so deceived they couldn't see what was coming.
MoonaNorth86 · 36-40, F
I love America and the people and especially their president
Crazychick · 36-40, F
@MoonaNorth86 What do you like about the president?
MoonaNorth86 · 36-40, F
@Crazychick he listens too me and my ideas
Crazychick · 36-40, F
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
Noy at all.
Most Americans are decent people.
plasticpants02 · 70-79, M
no, but i'm very surprised anyone could follow someone like trump.
ffony · M
Freddie, are you assuming I dislike all Americans (or 'All-Americans') (why would you?) - and asking me why that would be the case - or is it something else?
LaraHeels · 36-40, F
if somebody dislikes the population of a country because of its president or whatever politician, then there is for sure not much substance between somebody's ears 🤦🏽‍♀
tindrummer · M
At least half of us
tindrummer · M
@SumKindaMunster true, but far from the landslide he and you people claim
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@tindrummer Thanks, I know its true.

And while not a "landslide" he did win all 7 battleground states, the popular vote and the most votes for a Republican President.

That's good enough.
Thrust · 56-60, M
@tindrummer

you people

Who let the Klan in?
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
The US loves Trump
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@FreddieUK True, but the vast majority like Trump
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@nudistsueaz Maybe so. But I didn't ask that.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@FreddieUK Just so you understand.
Nimbus · M
Highly unlikely and most likely the complete opposite.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
No but it depends on their attitude re the federal government situation. If they want to go all 'South Glade Mission Church' aka 'Westboro Baptist Church' on anyone who says they dislike Pseudo-President Tronald Dump then they can just keep walking Charlie - keep walking. Or go to candy mountain and have their kidney stolen in the lands of sweets, joy and joyness. 8-)
I only dislike the leftwing democrats
tindrummer · M
@SStarfish That's ok. None of us care for you.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
Just the ones who voted for him.
MethDozer · M
Are we going to pretend that anyone really likes us before our current president?

(Joke)
Nobody seems like they dislike us as a people, just our tourists we send out. Can't blame them there.
ShenaniganFoodie · 36-40, M
Why hate on all the smart Yankees that vote the correct way against him !
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
Nope, America has 345,426,571 citizens including one Orange nitwit.
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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@carpediem Thank goodness for that. I wouldn't want anyone to be upset if derogatory comments were made by anyone replying on here.
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