Pull out of Ukraine

@chibs One is limited to mach 3. The other is running at mach 10 over three times as fast. There is a very real difference.

@chibs You don't do links. I tried that already and you didn't understand what was being said by the US president.

@hippyjoe1955 Yes, you originally sent me the link I just sent you... and you ridiculed it 😂

You have two problems here.

1. I did understand what was said byPresident Biden

[b]As I have already posted to you[/b]

"Biden didn't say he would blow up the pipelines, so why do you keep insisting he said any such thing?

"We will bring an end to it" simply means that funding for construction and maintenance would cease.

That's how politicians end projects... they kill the funding."

[b]You chose to ignore that[/b]

2. The link you sent me to support your original claim that President Biden said "we are going to blow up the pipeline", [b]did not say[/b] "we are going to blow up the pipeline"

So, overall... I understood your link, and you didn't

Not only that, you didn't even realise that the link was [b]your[/b] link

All you're doing now is blowing smoke and hoping to be able to run away from your own claims without anyone noticing. For you, that's business as usual.

[b]Day 410[/b]

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Where's the American version that says 'your democracy gone'?

@PTCdresser57 Absolutely! The "Free World" , would be gone. The USA, and possibly Canada, would be an island in the midst of totalitarian regimes and it wouldn't be long before the USA would cease to exist, and our citizens, at least the ones left alive, would be subjects of some other power

@fanuc2013 The US and Canada are fast becoming dictatorships.

@fanuc2013
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/04/donald_trump_tiberius_gracchus_and_americas_imminent_end.html

Those who don't know history are bound to repeat it.

@helensusanswift
I responded to your comment and nothing more and i also didn't say anything about your country
Am I allowed to defend my country ?

@pdockal
Actually, you told me your personal opinion about how you feel about other nations.
I don't think that defended your country at all.
I have the greatest respect for the US.

@hippyjoe1955 wrong side, re oyu mad, history of ukriane? russia starved 50 million peopel to deathin ukraine, bloody hell

@smiler2012 it don’t matter where you come from. It’s not about America it’s about protecting people of the world innocent

@smiler2012 Would you say America are bullies, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Haiti, to mention just a few of the countries, America have stuck their noses into, and the latest one Georgia, where they are trying to get regime change, also sticking their noses into Hungary, trying for regime change there too, they only want people in place that do their bidding, just like what’s happening in Ukraine at the moment, they even pulled a Color revolution in America in 2020, just like they have all around the world,

there will always be wars; my point is that you'd think the world would have figured out by now which ones to get involved in, and which ones to avoid; from a historical standpoint, getting into war over political/border disputes rarely ends well; If getting involved in Ukraine leads to a bigger war in the future, another world war later, then the losses incurred in the current one will seem insignificant by comparison.

It's naive & shortsighted to get involved in war to save a few thousand that only creates more enemies if/when it leads to a major war that kills millions & destabilizes entire countries...

We're still suffering the fallout from the USSR's collapse in '91; with the abundance of black market arms trading, militant groups and terrorists sprang up everywhere, it created a power vacuum for 2nd and 3rd world countries.

Only a fool would think pushing Russia into another collapse would somehow benefit the world, especially if the west bankrupts itself in the process and plunges the world into complete anarchy...

@fanuc2013 you fell for liberal propaganda and now think Russia is the evil one

@ViciDraco While I completely agree that Clinton and Bush committed war crimes can you tell me which war Trump started?

@hippyjoe1955 you don't have to start a war to commit war crimes. Like, oh let's say assassinating an Iranian official.

@ViciDraco That is not a war crime. The man was a member of the Iranian armed forces and was acting in an illegal manner. He was fair game. Do you care to make yourself look even more foolish?

@swirlie you aren't smart enough. You want to change history. That is too funny!

@Stargazer89 100%

@BizSuitStacy

@ididntknow well, that's certainly been a Biden interest. $1 million per year for Hunter to do nothing but sit on a board of a company in an industry he knows nothing about. 10% for the big guy.

@fanuc2013 getting involved in Korea, Vietnam, Bay of Pigs invasion, Lebanon, Bosnia, Somalia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, & Iraq didn't work out too well either...

We were ridiculed for being isolationists before WW2, then slandered as warmongers afterwards; one minute some country is begging for aid, the next, they're calling us invaders...

We used to fight to win, victory meant not only conquering our enemy, but destroying their will to fight; Now it's purely political, we fight with one arm tied behind our backs because of shitty ROE's & compromise or cave in due to political pressure, what should be a simple military conquest turns into clusterfuck that lasts years & accomplishes nothing.

Doesn't help matters either when many of our so called allies are directly aiding & abetting our enemies, giving them financial aid or selling military technology to them behind our backs; while their citizens & national media openly condemn us.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Yeah, look back at history; globalist polices have caused more harm than good; Russia, China, Iran, etc. used to be our allies... how'd that work out? The west civilized and industrialized the middle east, we created their oil industry, how's that working out for us now?

@fanuc2013 The US has now surrounded itself with enemies because of its interventionist policies. What was gained in Vietnam? What was gained in Afghanistan? What is being gained in Ukraine? Silly yankees don't know history.

@wildbill83 I agree with you, the politicians in too many cases, won't let our forces win! Our military could have taken care of the enemy in short order, but they weren't allowed to!

@SisterShadow YES, i do - i've stated in an earlier comment, someone has stated that $150 BILLION in aide has ALREADY been sent to Ukraine - the most corrupt country in the World - where has that money gone 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

@BigGuy2 well nothing much to tell you... you cant talk about the moon with someone who denies the existence of the moon even thought its obviosuly there. you have become completely indoctrinated with lies... i wish you well but you are not worth mine or anyone elses time.

@SisterShadow oh right ... why exactly, is it there, because the lame stream media tells you it is - 🤔 the same lamestream media that told you about Russian Collusion and J6

@MountainMonk89 well there is also the facts of the right and wrongs of this war both the british german french and american government will be rubbing there greedy little hands

@4meAndyou May we take it the next USA Presidential Election will be tri-partisan? Republican, Democrat and Communist?

It does not greatly matter to we foreigners whether Rep. or Dem. is in Government in the USA, but a Communist victory would soon end the other two parties and seriously affect the nation's domestic and foreign policies and alliances. That'd give you a reason to bleat about "Marxists"... if allowed.

BTW... Whoever really sabotaged it and why, the Nordstream pipeline carried gas, not oil.

Here's a conundrum for you, talking of China and Afghanistan.

We know the hard-line, avowedly anti-religious, Communist, People's Republic of China has been making friendly noises to the supposedly-Muslim Taliban while destroying her own genuinely Muslim, Uyghur culture, but take a Google Earth "flight" over the arid plain in the far-Western corner of China-colony Tibet. See if you can fathom out why anyone would develop a town (Hotan? - the name of the Prefecture) with supporting farms there, directly below the ridge carrying the short Tibet / Afghan border... There is no road across the border, but in future? I am pretty sure it has grown quite rapidly and recently from a much smaller, older settlement.

@ArishMell Someone here has pointed out that our politicians are no longer Republican and Democrat, but globalist and anti globalist. I believe it was bizsuitstacy, as a response to a post by Budwick. What conservatives hope for is an anti globalist President in the near future.

The Democrat Marxist party included Marxists and Communists in their party in a desperate bid to gain more votes and power, and now the tail is wagging the dog.

Thank you for the correction about gas, not oil. Although I thought I read that there were shortages in heating oil in Germany and elsewhere because of the destruction of Nordstream II.

Regarding the rapidly growing town at the Afghan border of Tibet, I can't even speculate...but Afghanistan had two products which they export...Isis K fighters, and opium

@4meAndyou Well, I don't take sides in your febrile party-politics, but once I managed to find a reasonably neutral description of what "globalism" actually means, it occurred to me that the opposite is isolationism. No man is an island, it is said, but neither is a nation in any but a literal geographical form.

The USA, like the UK, is a member of or signatory to, a vast range of international bodies, treaties and agreements; many of them issuing what the EU would call "Directives" for translating into each nation's own legal system. I saw a list of the UK set and it was more than ninety! I imagine the same is so for the USA. E.g. NATO, UN and its component bodies, ISO, ones controlling international trade and travel..... That's before any international commercial firms, and many of those are American!

There were shortages of oil but not as a direct result of the attack on the pipeline.

ISIS is indeed active in Afghanistan but is not actually welcome there. It is a bitter rival of the Taliban, which it thinks not sufficiently hard-line, and has carried out a number of attacks in the country. I don't know the two factions' sects but the divisions between Sunni and Shi'a can be very deep and bitter. The Taliban also has its Pakistani "branch" but it is ISIS that is "exporting" itself across as many countries as it can.

Not sure what is the status of opium and heroin there, are now: I think the previous Taliban regime was trying to stop it, but it would need give the farmers practical alternatives.

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I can hazard a guess at China's strategic plans. That part of Tibet also borders Pakistan and (from memory) Tajikistan, and China has a long-term international trade and influence scheme called its "Belt Road Initiative". This does involve physical links, such as a new railway across Mongolia into Russia, and buying the Greek port of Piraeus (making that effectively Chinese territory in Greece?). So they might be looking to build border crossings in this very remote area; and they have even talked of building a railway from Tibet to Nepal - presumably through the highest part of the Himalayas, not via another nation.

Have you ever heard of Chamberlin? How about the 'demand' that Germany leave Poland in 1939? How did that work out exactly?

@tindrummer Blind eyes refuse to see. I am not a team player in that regard. I criticize what needs to be criticized. The US is the rogue nation not Russia.

@hippyjoe1955 dude your such a liar 😂

@JohnOinger Prove it. Nothing I have said is a lie and you can not prove that what I said is a lie. You may want to deny the truth but the truth is on my side not yours.

@wildbill83 You are mistaken about Ukrainian trade.

You won't see many "Made in Ukraine" labels simply because Ukraine did not manufacture many [i]finished[/i] goods for large-scale sale abroad.

Instead, Ukraine was a major exporter of [i]materials[/i]; especially steel, grain and fertilisers. Hence Turkish attempts to broker continuing supplies of grain from Odessa - the Ukrainian port Russia has already been attacking.

After the Russian forces had destroyed the industrial city of Mariupol, much of the steel stock Russia looted from the ruined steelworks was actually the property of the customers - manufacturers of cars and other finished goods in other countries.

@wildbill83 [quote]do they even produce any major exports?[/quote]

Sunflower oil: [b]46% [/b]of global exports
Rank among global exporters: 1st

Corn: [b]12%[/b] of global exports
Rank among global exporters: 4th

Wheat: [b]9%[/b] of global exports
Rank among global exporters: 5th

Rapeseed: [b]20%[/b] of global exports
Rank among global exporters: 3rd

Barley: [b]17%[/b] of global exports
Rank among global exporters: 3rd

[b]russia openly stated that their blockade was designed to cause global famine[/b]

Because they're - well, you know - russians

Early on in their genocidal invasion russia began stealing Ukraine's grain, because russians are , well, thieves.

Let's not even mention toilets and washing machines (to russians, those are high-tech devices)

More recently, of course, they've switched to stealing Ukraine's children.

Because they're - well, you know - russians

@helensusanswift so why the law? After denying its existence you keep looking more foolish with each post you make.

@hippyjoe1955 Why the law? To protect women having an abortion from mental, physical and emotional abuse, it seems. I am sure you can work that out.

@helensusanswift nothing about protecting women all to do with controlling people. I bet you think the government dad your best interests at heart when it imposed Vax mandates too.

@Convivial Yeah more like setting the timer of a bomb in your house then expecting the bomb brigade to stop it from exploding before it destroys the place.

@chibs Just so you know (and I think you and I agree)--I have not responded to the earlier insults because there is no substance to what he says, only insults and an insistence that we are wrong and he is correct. facts do not seem to matter.

@Docdon23 You can't answer the substance of what I said either. There is no need for the US to be intervening in sovereign states. Why did the US go to war in Iraq? A few decades earlier Saddam was being sold as a great guy. Suddenly he was evil incarnate. What changed?

@hippyjoe1955 So terribly sorry, I did not notice any substance. I did notice all the arguments ad hominum, the insults. usually one who has no substance resorts to insults. My original point was in the 1930s there was a strong isolationists, anti-war movement in the US. "Oh, we should not get involved." Well, WW II did draw us in after Japan attacked us. Would you be suggesting the US should have stayed out of WW II?

@ilikeitlikethat23 More like 1944 when the allies invaded Normandy on the road to destroying nazism. Russia is the Allies and Ukraine and the US are the nazis.

@hippyjoe1955 🙄

@hippyjoe1955 WTF

@tindrummer Open your eyes and you will see it. Why do you think they impeached Trump over Ukraine and a phone call? Remember Biden boasting about getting the Ukrainian prosecutor fired? Then there ate the bioweapons labs being run in Ukraine by the US and its friends. One such friend is a Canadian general now in prison in Russia.

@hippyjoe1955 again, prove it - any of it - valid, reputable sources only

@tindrummer Your reputable sources or mine? Your sources are pure propaganda so I can't cite them and you refuse to accept my sources so what would be the point?

@LeopoldBloom Yes, I think colonialism is very appropriate description, and like any mortgage or hire-purchase agreement the property is the lender's until the debt is fully cleared. China's choice of which countries is very careful too. No longer oil, but now based heavily on metal-ore and engineering-business wealth, so it can corner the markets in the finished metals if not all of the metal products as well.

For we all depend on metals for everything we do, use or own. That is basic, but maybe is it because it is so basic it is often overlooked despite the present talk of rare-earth ones for electricity-generators. Indeed, if you were to ask a large number of people at random which one metal [i]element[/i] is fundamental to all, it would be interesting to see what proportion answers correctly. Fortunately it is a very abundant metal, very versatile, readily recoverable (though at high electricity or fuel cost) - and China has not grabbed all of its sources.

I think Chairman Mao's reign was very much a personality as well as Party cult, but looking back at what happened after his death, I can't help wondering if China opening up and becoming friendlier was all a long-term ruse to lull the rest of us into a sense of false security. Even if it wasn't, it certainly gave President Xi's government a huge advantage so he clamp down again without too many difficulties.

@ArishMell China is also putting those countries in debt by financing large-scale industrial projects that they have to pay off. And apparently, many of them are very poor quality.

@LeopoldBloom I suppose in those cases, quality is not important. China wants only political control.

I don't know Honduras' relationship with China but a few days ago it announced breaking diplomatic ties with Taiwan, and recognising only one "China". I learnt that only via a brief Press Association not in my local paper, and it did not go into details, so with no hint as whether it was a purely Honduran decision or under pressure or order from Beijing.

@hippyjoe1955 I am glad the US is still policing the world, for the good we need a strong USA

@Justenjoyit The US is no longer policing the world. It has become the bad guy in the world. It created Covid. It created the deadly vaxes. It started a stupid war in Afghanistan and then left billions of dollars of top gear in the hands of the Taliban. It started the war in Ukraine and is still running bioweapons labs in Ukraine. The US is a force for evil not good.

@hippyjoe1955 You’ve made the point that most people on here seem to miss, I’m from the uk, and I see it as plain as day, I think the corporatist main stream media are doing their job very well indeed in America, it seems a lot of Americans are under their spell, it’s called brainwashing and propaganda

@specman all countries need to be we all have to look out for everybody, including our own, but we can not forget about the suffering, and other countries is not what humanities about

@Funlov now think what the whole world would be suffering after a nuclear war. We will not be able to avoid a nuclear confrontation with China. You need to take care of what is suffering in your country first. Biden is not doing that. It would be bigotry to say that US is standing up for nations with suffering people. Especially since they won’t fix there own suffering people.

@specman we could go back and forth on this your right I’m right that’s the thing so let’s all just come together and make it happen and make it right

@Funlov you mean like all the people getting slaughtered by the taliban? funny how the same "allies" that gave us little to no support there are "demanding" we help ukraine...🤔

@wildbill83 that’s not even close to the same you’re so far out you can’t even see it don’t compare them to

@samueltyler2 What happened then?

@hippyjoe1955 What happened was that voices like yours were swept into the dustbin of history.

@chibs Actually it is your silliness that will be laughed at long after you are gone. You can't even operate a google search and if you try you can't understand what you hear.

@jimjim1969 you are a mainstream media bot

@Stargazer89 And you so transparent. How is Saint Petersburg weather?

@Funlov that I support America unlike you liberals

@Stargazer89 I’m a Canadian so you’re already wrong twice I just say it as I see it first I’m not a liberal second I’m not an American so you’re wrong looking like an ass twice

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout 👍😃 you know, how to wake the useful idiots up ?

@ididntknow and?

are ppl not seeing it on purpose.?
you got to be nucking futs and blind as ray charles..

burisma. a nobody energy company that the bidens are involved in are/were under investigation for mass corruption.biden has shokin fire the prosecutor investigating burisma. by threatning to withold loan security of 1B..

biden blows up nordstream pipe line.
burisma becomes largest energy provider....

but dont worry folks... lets have a look at orange man bads taxes.....

the worlds gone mad.

@itsoeasy the US spends $30-40 billion on nato every year, we spend an additional $50+/- billion a year on foreign aid, we've spent over $150 billion on Ukraine over the last 5 years

meanwhile, the interest alone on our national debt costs us over $400 billion a year

not sure how you think we're profiting in any way on nato... 🤔

@MarineBob Are republicans suddenly offering to divert Dept of Defense money to pay tuition? First I've heard of it!!

@Emosaur You’re wasting your time. Swirlie is a troll who gets off on disagreement for the sake of argument.