Pull out of Ukraine

We need to be [b]America First[/b] and get out of Ukraine and NATO. Let them sort their own business out and stop wasting our tax money. Russia is winning and doing well anyways. It's a waste of money

Same thing with Taiwan. America should always come first. These liberals want to fight China and Russia and for what??

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wildbill83 · 36-40, M

Taiwan at least provides some benefit to the market, their products, while not the best are still preferable to chinese made garbage. Ukraine on the other hand... I've never seen something with a "made in Ukraine" tag on it, do they even produce any major exports?

Democrats don't oppose China, hell, they're the main reason china has become such a threat and dominated the market with their useless shit to begin with.

I'd much rather we be fighting China, slamming them with trade embargos, sanctions, tarrifs, fines, etc. which would improve our own economy than waste money on a country that has absolutely no cultural, strategic or economic value to us.

ArishMell · 70-79, M

@wildbill83 You are mistaken about Ukrainian trade.

You won't see many "Made in Ukraine" labels simply because Ukraine did not manufacture many [i]finished[/i] goods for large-scale sale abroad.

Instead, Ukraine was a major exporter of [i]materials[/i]; especially steel, grain and fertilisers. Hence Turkish attempts to broker continuing supplies of grain from Odessa - the Ukrainian port Russia has already been attacking.

After the Russian forces had destroyed the industrial city of Mariupol, much of the steel stock Russia looted from the ruined steelworks was actually the property of the customers - manufacturers of cars and other finished goods in other countries.

chibs · 61-69, M

@wildbill83 [quote]do they even produce any major exports?[/quote]

Sunflower oil: [b]46% [/b]of global exports
Rank among global exporters: 1st

Corn: [b]12%[/b] of global exports
Rank among global exporters: 4th

Wheat: [b]9%[/b] of global exports
Rank among global exporters: 5th

Rapeseed: [b]20%[/b] of global exports
Rank among global exporters: 3rd

Barley: [b]17%[/b] of global exports
Rank among global exporters: 3rd

[b]russia openly stated that their blockade was designed to cause global famine[/b]

Because they're - well, you know - russians

Early on in their genocidal invasion russia began stealing Ukraine's grain, because russians are , well, thieves.

Let's not even mention toilets and washing machines (to russians, those are high-tech devices)

More recently, of course, they've switched to stealing Ukraine's children.

Because they're - well, you know - russians