True Science Confirms The Account Of Noah's Ark In The Word Of God [Spirituality & Religion]
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spjennifer · 56-60, T
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spjennifer · 56-60, T
@hippyjoe1955 Agreed, I certainly don't purport to have all of the answers, only many unanswered questions which is why i ask them but seldom receive reasonable answers, usually only derision and bile for being a "Non-believer".
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@spjennifer Which is probably in kind for the way you treat 'believers'. The fact is we all operate on faith each believing our 'science (knowledge) is right. None of us can conclusively prove one way or the other. The reason I believe as I do is because of a Gift Freely Given.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]we all we all operate on faith[/quote]
If only it weren’t for all that pesky evidence.
Faith is merely pretending to know something that you don’t actually know, and science is a methodology designed to eradicate such duplicity.
[quote]None of us can conclusively prove one way or the other[/quote]
You really should sharpen up your apparently limited understanding of science.
Science [i]never[/i] tries to prove its findings. Science tries to [i]disprove[/i] its findings.
If only it weren’t for all that pesky evidence.
Faith is merely pretending to know something that you don’t actually know, and science is a methodology designed to eradicate such duplicity.
[quote]None of us can conclusively prove one way or the other[/quote]
You really should sharpen up your apparently limited understanding of science.
Science [i]never[/i] tries to prove its findings. Science tries to [i]disprove[/i] its findings.
Rhodesianman · 56-60, M
absolute Bollocks .No where is it written that the ark existed or that the whole world was covered in water .For everyones sake stop sprouting bull . NO ONE IS INTRESTED .If you are dumb enough to believe fairy stories then fine but keep it to yourself we dont want to know so stop trying to make believers out of others .
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@Carazaa If you are getting rich from being religious, many fallen televangelists will attest to that being temporary. No one says that in order to be religious that you must be poor but if you are using religion to make yourself rich via duplicitous means then you are a fraud and a false prophet, see Jim Baker, Jerry Fallwell et al. Throughout history, many men and women have used religion to abuse others, all while laughing their heads off at the foolishness of their believers. I see this for profit theme park in the same light as those fallen televangelists, pass us the loot and ye shall be saved!...
Carazaa · F
@spjennifer
There are many false prophets out there, that's for sure. I'm not condoning "faith healers". But I know that if you are saved, then God takes care of you! God has promised us that he will give us the desires of our hearts. this is my experience. And he even gives more than I had ever expected.
"[b]Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart.
Psalm 37:4[/b]
"[b]Ask me anything in my name, and I will do it"[/b]
John 14:14
There are many false prophets out there, that's for sure. I'm not condoning "faith healers". But I know that if you are saved, then God takes care of you! God has promised us that he will give us the desires of our hearts. this is my experience. And he even gives more than I had ever expected.
"[b]Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart.
Psalm 37:4[/b]
"[b]Ask me anything in my name, and I will do it"[/b]
John 14:14
tallpowerhouseblonde · 31-35, F
Noah's ark is more than simply wrong it does not even make sense.How did Noah build an ark big enough to hold 10 million animals?The best modern shipyards cannot do that.How did he feed the animals?Lions for example need fresh meat every day.Where are the Ark's remains today?Nothing found because it never existed.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@GodSpeed63Does your bible book refer to the circle of the Earth?
[b]Twenty-one Reasons Noah’s Worldwide Flood Never Happened[/b]
Here’s a geologist’s critical analysis of false perceptions held by many
creationists about the origin of the Grand Canyon and the age of the
Earth.
LORENCE G. COLLINS
http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Nr38Reasons.pdf
[b][c=#BF0000]1. The stair-stepped appearance of erosion of sedimentary rocks
in the Grand Canyon with sandstones and limestones forming
cliffs and shales forming gentle slopes cannot happen if all
these rocks were deposited in less than one year. If the Grand
Canyon had been carved soon after these rocks were deposited
by a worldwide flood, they would not have had time to harden
into solid rock and would have been saturated with water.
Therefore, the sandstones and limestones would have slumped
during the carving of the canyon and would not have formed
cliffs. (Hill et al. 2016)
2. Salt and gypsum deposits, more than 200 feet thick, occur in
the Paradox Formation in Utah just 200 miles north of the
Grand Canyon, and these deposits are the same age as the
Supai rocks in the Grand Canyon that were supposedly also
deposited by Noah’s flood. Similar salt deposits, up to 3,000
feet thick, exist in various places on all continents and in
layers of all geologic ages, and these deposits can only be
produced by evaporation of sea water. Such evaporation could
not have happened in repeated intervals in the midst of the 40
days and 40 nights of raining and during the supposed
continuous deposition of sedimentary rocks by a worldwide
flood and in which the only drying and evaporation is said to
have occurred at the end of the flood. (Collins 2006, 2009,
2012; Hill et al. 2016)
3. Sand dunes with giant cross bedding occur in the Mesozoic
rocks in Zion National Park and are further evidence that
desert conditions occurred at the time of the supposed flood.
(Senter 2011; Collins 2017)
4. Fossilized mud cracks occur in the Cambrian Tapeats
Formation on top of the Precambrian Vishnu schist at the
bottom of the canyon and indicate that drying conditions
existed during the alleged worldwide Noah’s flood, and these
drying conditions occurred at the very beginning of this
supposed flood. Although mud cracks can also form in mud
under water by compression that squeezes out water from the
mud, such compression is not likely to occur during a flood.
Moreover, fossilized mud cracks are found in other formations
that were supposedly deposited during Noah’s flood, and these
mud cracks occur in red shales that coexist with salt and
gypsum layers. Therefore, these mud cracks were likely
formed in deltaic mud flats that were exposed to the
atmosphere where their iron-bearing minerals reacted with
oxygen in the air to form
5. Raindrop prints occur in many places around the world which
could not have been formed or preserved if the muds (now in
shales) containing these prints were deposited under water
during Noah’s flood. (Senter 2011; Hill et al. 2016)
6. Nests of dinosaur eggs are found in several places around the
world, and it is illogical that dinosaurs could have had enough
time to create these nests and lay their eggs while they were
fleeing from rising waters to reach higher ground. (Senter
2011; Hill et al. 2016)
7. The White Cliffs of Dover on the eastern coast of England
consist of chalk layers, up to more than 350 feet thick, that are
composed of fossilized coccoliths (a kind of algae), and these
layers are the same age as the sedimentary rocks that overlie
giant cross-bedded sandstones in Zion National Park, and
therefore, they were supposedly also deposited by Noah’s
flood. But coccoliths are very tiny and have chloroplasts that Because of this fact, all of them could not have been living at the same
time to depths of 350 feet in the one year in which the flood is said to
have occurred because that many organisms in the water at the same
time would have blocked out the sun from organisms below the nearsurface.
[/c][/b]
And so on....
Here’s a geologist’s critical analysis of false perceptions held by many
creationists about the origin of the Grand Canyon and the age of the
Earth.
LORENCE G. COLLINS
http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Nr38Reasons.pdf
[b][c=#BF0000]1. The stair-stepped appearance of erosion of sedimentary rocks
in the Grand Canyon with sandstones and limestones forming
cliffs and shales forming gentle slopes cannot happen if all
these rocks were deposited in less than one year. If the Grand
Canyon had been carved soon after these rocks were deposited
by a worldwide flood, they would not have had time to harden
into solid rock and would have been saturated with water.
Therefore, the sandstones and limestones would have slumped
during the carving of the canyon and would not have formed
cliffs. (Hill et al. 2016)
2. Salt and gypsum deposits, more than 200 feet thick, occur in
the Paradox Formation in Utah just 200 miles north of the
Grand Canyon, and these deposits are the same age as the
Supai rocks in the Grand Canyon that were supposedly also
deposited by Noah’s flood. Similar salt deposits, up to 3,000
feet thick, exist in various places on all continents and in
layers of all geologic ages, and these deposits can only be
produced by evaporation of sea water. Such evaporation could
not have happened in repeated intervals in the midst of the 40
days and 40 nights of raining and during the supposed
continuous deposition of sedimentary rocks by a worldwide
flood and in which the only drying and evaporation is said to
have occurred at the end of the flood. (Collins 2006, 2009,
2012; Hill et al. 2016)
3. Sand dunes with giant cross bedding occur in the Mesozoic
rocks in Zion National Park and are further evidence that
desert conditions occurred at the time of the supposed flood.
(Senter 2011; Collins 2017)
4. Fossilized mud cracks occur in the Cambrian Tapeats
Formation on top of the Precambrian Vishnu schist at the
bottom of the canyon and indicate that drying conditions
existed during the alleged worldwide Noah’s flood, and these
drying conditions occurred at the very beginning of this
supposed flood. Although mud cracks can also form in mud
under water by compression that squeezes out water from the
mud, such compression is not likely to occur during a flood.
Moreover, fossilized mud cracks are found in other formations
that were supposedly deposited during Noah’s flood, and these
mud cracks occur in red shales that coexist with salt and
gypsum layers. Therefore, these mud cracks were likely
formed in deltaic mud flats that were exposed to the
atmosphere where their iron-bearing minerals reacted with
oxygen in the air to form
5. Raindrop prints occur in many places around the world which
could not have been formed or preserved if the muds (now in
shales) containing these prints were deposited under water
during Noah’s flood. (Senter 2011; Hill et al. 2016)
6. Nests of dinosaur eggs are found in several places around the
world, and it is illogical that dinosaurs could have had enough
time to create these nests and lay their eggs while they were
fleeing from rising waters to reach higher ground. (Senter
2011; Hill et al. 2016)
7. The White Cliffs of Dover on the eastern coast of England
consist of chalk layers, up to more than 350 feet thick, that are
composed of fossilized coccoliths (a kind of algae), and these
layers are the same age as the sedimentary rocks that overlie
giant cross-bedded sandstones in Zion National Park, and
therefore, they were supposedly also deposited by Noah’s
flood. But coccoliths are very tiny and have chloroplasts that Because of this fact, all of them could not have been living at the same
time to depths of 350 feet in the one year in which the flood is said to
have occurred because that many organisms in the water at the same
time would have blocked out the sun from organisms below the nearsurface.
[/c][/b]
And so on....
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Pikachu Besides, almost all the dinosaurs had been wiped out long before Noah's time... Some 65M years before, in fact! The Chalk exposed by the White Cliffs of Dover is older still.
I find Biblical literalism not only misses a few vital but simple points, but is deeply though unwittingly disrespectful to the God it thinks it is protecting.
I find Biblical literalism not only misses a few vital but simple points, but is deeply though unwittingly disrespectful to the God it thinks it is protecting.
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DudeistPriest · M
@Emosaur [quote] Jesus freaks are sadly too stupid and indoctrinated[/quote]
Here's what I visualize when people use that description...
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Here's what I visualize when people use that description...
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@CleverFunnyNameGoesHere The problem with that is that Creationists believe that God created the Earth and Man 7000 years ago so for them it isn't possible that the Siberian Unicorn could possibly have existed 28,000 years ago or be the Unicorn you're mentioning as it would have been extinct before the Earth was created! 🙃
@spjennifer It is unfortunate that creationists have so little faith in the grandeur of the world we live in or the scale of our existence.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout There are no unicorns in the bible. It was early translators wild guess at how to translate reëm (Hebrew: רְאֵם). It's probably an aurochs. It could be a rhino as there is a picture of one on a tomb in southern Palestine from the Ptolemaic Egytpian rule.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
Sharon · F
@GodSpeed63 [quote]Then use it.[/quote]
I do but I don't see what relevance it has to your imaginary friend.
[quote]I don't have an imaginary friend [/quote]
Still having trouble with your memory I see. You seem to have forgotten about your imaginary yahweh thing you keep banging on about. I expect you'll confirm I'm right by denying having a yahweh thing. Then almost immediately claim it's your father.
I do but I don't see what relevance it has to your imaginary friend.
[quote]I don't have an imaginary friend [/quote]
Still having trouble with your memory I see. You seem to have forgotten about your imaginary yahweh thing you keep banging on about. I expect you'll confirm I'm right by denying having a yahweh thing. Then almost immediately claim it's your father.
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul [quote]Nope.[/quote]
No one is more blind than those who will not see the truth of God.
No one is more blind than those who will not see the truth of God.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@GodSpeed63 useless platitude #6574 🥱
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Carazaa · F
[b]”As in the days of Noah so shall the coming of the Son of man be”[/b]matt 24:37
Genesis 6::11 [b]The earth was filled with violence and God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah I Am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them and I am going to destroy both them and the earth”[/b]
Genesis 6::11 [b]The earth was filled with violence and God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah I Am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them and I am going to destroy both them and the earth”[/b]
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@SW-User [quote]isnt the world full of violence today as well? and all the years of the world wars? both of them ..why didnt he end humanity again and again? [/quote]
The world was full of violence then for God knows how many centuries before He decide that enough is enough and kept mankind from killing itself off. Yes, the world is full of violence but God made a promise not to wipe out mankind like He did back then. He desires that none of mankind be lost but all come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ by His Holy Spirit.
The world was full of violence then for God knows how many centuries before He decide that enough is enough and kept mankind from killing itself off. Yes, the world is full of violence but God made a promise not to wipe out mankind like He did back then. He desires that none of mankind be lost but all come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ by His Holy Spirit.
Carazaa · F
@GodSpeed63 He said he would make a new heaven and a new world after the old one is burned up by fire!
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 No. No co-incidence at all.
If we descended from just one couple in-breeding would have destroyed our species quite rapidly.
You can legitimately use science and archaeology to trace the old Biblical cultures and try to establish some of the more likely historical events they mention. For example, the landmark fire in Exodus might have been an eruption from a dormant or now-extinct volcano that does exist in roughly the right area.
You cannot twist science to suit an ancient and frankly absurd myth you cannot bear to see questioned or disbelieved.
Just because the myth is in the Bible does not give it credence. After all, finding scraps of ancient wood on a Middle Eastern mountain no more proves the Noah story than finding a few Mediaeval arrow-heads in Sherwood Forest could prove the Robin Hood myth.
If we descended from just one couple in-breeding would have destroyed our species quite rapidly.
You can legitimately use science and archaeology to trace the old Biblical cultures and try to establish some of the more likely historical events they mention. For example, the landmark fire in Exodus might have been an eruption from a dormant or now-extinct volcano that does exist in roughly the right area.
You cannot twist science to suit an ancient and frankly absurd myth you cannot bear to see questioned or disbelieved.
Just because the myth is in the Bible does not give it credence. After all, finding scraps of ancient wood on a Middle Eastern mountain no more proves the Noah story than finding a few Mediaeval arrow-heads in Sherwood Forest could prove the Robin Hood myth.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ArishMell The genetic anomaly was discovered by an atheist. After that it was trying to discover a plausible explanation. Do you have a better one?
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 No, I don't, but I am neither a geneticist or palaeontologist, nor am I trying to misuse learning to prop up antique fables that have no credible meaning or purpose other than pure religious allegory. Neither do you have a proper explanation.
The OP says "True Science...". A true scientist admits when not knowing something, and can only offer hypotheses based on what is observed, on tested knowledge, and on thinking properly.
Whether religious or not he or she would not say, "Oh it proves...[insert ancient myth of choice but lacking any logic at all]".
The OP says "True Science...". A true scientist admits when not knowing something, and can only offer hypotheses based on what is observed, on tested knowledge, and on thinking properly.
Whether religious or not he or she would not say, "Oh it proves...[insert ancient myth of choice but lacking any logic at all]".
spjennifer · 56-60, T
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Abstraction Also the texts that do not have those verses are not just older but considered far more accurate because there are fewer translations in between. More translations between copies are inherently less accurate especially when translating from very different languages. This is why you have for example dozens of slightly different translations of the Art of War just in English.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Abstraction We also know Justin Martyr, Tatian were aware of different versions.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Yes, there were multiple manuscripts around.
But it's not correct to infer the earliest manuscripts of Mark we hold (second century) are necessarily older content, because in the other second century references I mention, [u]they quote from these same passages[/u]. So these verses definitely existed in other manuscripts of Mark at the same time (held by Justin Martyr, etc,). There are good cases either way - so it is entirely correct to raise the uncertainty about the verses.
The new testament has far more manuscripts and references from other texts than any other ancient text. By a long way, nothing comes remotely close. And some of the manuscripts we hold are far closer to the time of writing than most other ancient manuscripts. There are variations in the text across these manuscripts, but no major doctrine is really under question because of them. It also does well on internal and external evidence tests. From a purely objective historicity perspective, it's very strong.
Now what anyone makes of the content is entirely another matter. That's an issue of belief. I don't subscribe to the 'let's prove God exists' argument at all.
But it's not correct to infer the earliest manuscripts of Mark we hold (second century) are necessarily older content, because in the other second century references I mention, [u]they quote from these same passages[/u]. So these verses definitely existed in other manuscripts of Mark at the same time (held by Justin Martyr, etc,). There are good cases either way - so it is entirely correct to raise the uncertainty about the verses.
The new testament has far more manuscripts and references from other texts than any other ancient text. By a long way, nothing comes remotely close. And some of the manuscripts we hold are far closer to the time of writing than most other ancient manuscripts. There are variations in the text across these manuscripts, but no major doctrine is really under question because of them. It also does well on internal and external evidence tests. From a purely objective historicity perspective, it's very strong.
Now what anyone makes of the content is entirely another matter. That's an issue of belief. I don't subscribe to the 'let's prove God exists' argument at all.
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@whowasthatmaskedman [quote]The "average" individual then had no overbite.. The "average" person now does..Evolution continues and you are wrong.[/quote]
According to whom?
According to whom?
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spjennifer · 56-60, T
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@whowasthatmaskedman Yep, so it's a "For Profit" who is trying to get exemptions based on being a religious cult. They discriminate against anyone who isn't white and doesn't believe in their sky fairy and make any prospective employee sign an agreement that they support all of this crap??? Does no one else see something wrong with this picture??? This is a white supremacist cult, operating in plain site, how can anyone miss that Aircraft carrier sized fake ark? Might as well paint a big Swastika on the side of the thing.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@spjennifer Yes... I had to think about the "White Supremacist" part a moment.. But it all comes down to being "Our kind of people" doesnt it.?😷
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@whowasthatmaskedman Make America White Again and keep the "Mud People and wimenfolk" in their place, that's what that's all about for most of them. They are a different kind of white supremacist than the skinheads but nonetheless, they are what they are.
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DudeistPriest · M
@MarmeeMarch Probably bought that wood from the Home Depot in Chingao, China. Woodn't you know it!
MarmeeMarch · M
@DudeistPriest I think it was called Manger Depot back then.
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@BobGrant45 [quote]How many times do you have to repeat that fiction before it becomes true?[/quote]
How many times do you have to call it fiction before you realize it's the truth, BobGrant?
How many times do you have to call it fiction before you realize it's the truth, BobGrant?
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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
I was raised as a christian, still visit church and am on board with the idea that christianity is being targeted. However, science does not back up the flood story. Even if I were devoutly christian I would not defend every book that ended up in my version of the bible, out of chance.
Carazaa · F
@spjennifer That's very kind of you to say that about me! Thank you!! I try to always be loving. The things that have upset me have been when people say mean things about God who is the epitome of love since he has paid for the worlds sins with his own blood, and makes a way for us to get to heaven. And also when people are mean here. God calls us a "peculiar people" and Jesus said we would be mocked so he warned us.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@Carazaa Like I said, I don't agree with all of the beliefs of Christianity, nor do I try to interpret them to suite a political narrative but I was brought up in a Christian home where we were taught that we are all equal under the eyes of God so I struggle mightily with those who try to exclude or demean others simply because they are brown, gay, dress differently or speak a different language or don't have the same beliefs as ours. If only the ones seeking to exclude or hate or harm others under the guise of Christianity thought the way you do, i'd be fine with that.