oh sigh! Can’t even you see you are reading a story about a man who was utterly misguided in what he did? Haven’t you got the intelligence to see that is the whole point the writer is trying to make? Dear oh dear! Don’t you know God gave you that between your ears to use? @SatanBurger
The point of the book of judges is that ‘every man did what was right in his own mind’ . The tragedy of Jeptha is he didn’t realise the law of God forbade him to sacrifice his child, @SatanBurger
Here are my thoughts. The Bible means a lot to some people, so I would never think to ridicule that. I also don’t believe in shoving my beliefs down anyone’s throat either since I think it turns people off.
I was raised a Christian, but I always found the Bible rather scary. How could I not? But I won’t dismiss it or be disrespectful. I don’t really practice a faith right now because I question too many things. I will leave it to God to direct me on where I should go and leave it at that.
I certainly am sad to see so many people of any faith or no faith being unkind to others with that.
@Pikachu This is a lost generation who not only are perverse in their own lust and sin and justifies it, but reject the very God who came to save them! It is unimaginable! The Godly know we all deserve nothing but death! But because of his amazing grace he saves some! May God have mercy on your soul!
“[b]Blessed are you when men persecute you and say all kinds of evil against you for my sake because Great is your reward in heaven”[/b]
@Carazaa This has been said so many times in previous generations, but the non-religious still have good things happen and the religious still have bad things happen.
There are just two stories in the whole bloody thing where an animal talks to a person. In each of those two cases, the person doesn't react as though something out of the ordinary is happening but just ahs a conversation with the animal the same as with a person. If that's not a reasonable, believable story I don't know what is.
Believe in miracles is the philosophical point of view. Non-belief in miracles is also a philosophical point of view. Your problem is that you are so stuck with your head up your behind that you don’t see anything@LeopoldBloom
People believe it's divinely inspired for the same reason people back then did. To this very day you have people attributing weather to god, any unexplained event as god, any violence as God's wrath.
Their bias won't allow them any other explainations.
Fun to me would be playing a musical instrument, spending time with my loved ones,😌 love making, a proper discussion, growing together and learning from each other.
This is just a waste of time and it makes him worse and worse. Because he's getting validated for bad behavior.
[quote]This is just a waste of time and it makes him worse and worse. Because he's getting validated for bad behavior. [/quote]
lol we're definitely failing to parent him properly. But you're right, if you don't have fun playing then you should just ignore him. As you've noticed, he's a bit of a broken record s you've heard everything he has to say.
Sorry but you prove mine. You go on the Internet to some BS site which is run by informed atheists and gullibly swallow what they say. Then when someone pointed out you get offended@walabby
This is what those issues have to do with this discussion btw
[quote][b]And eon's of of understanding what marriage really is - is now delightfully confused with what [u]God[/u] specifically said it is not.[/b][/quote]
I just needed to wait a couple of days so I could point it out.
[quote]It's interesting that in a finely tuned universe, where even a slight change in the parameters would mean that life was impossible, things can change dramatically when needed. [quote][/quote][/quote]
That IS an interesting idea that i hadn't considered. I wonder how theists square that circle. Our world is at once finely tuned and yet must have changed dramatically in order for some of these beliefs to be maintained.
@Pikachu Then there's the bit where all animals were herbivores before the fall. Even the obligate carnivores. Or how about the no sickness or death, but everything was expected to be fruitful and multiply. It was a good thing that Eve listened to the serpent, otherwise there wouldn't be any room for the fauna and no flora for them to eat.
I’m so sorry but the problem is you must drive people to distraction who are around you. Or perhaps you just come to the Internet to fool around. Don’t worry I take it all in good part as I know you can’t really help it@Pikachu
To understand God's word is a divine spirit than this world.
For example.
For us, a Year will takes days. Months to complete a year.
For God. A Year means a Day for God.
When Christ tells us to have patience in faith doesn't mean it will happen automatically most of the time.
It may take 3 days for God.
It may take 3 years for us. .
Here's another example.
If you gave your life to Christ Jesus and declare he died for your sins in his Name. You will automatically receive the Holy Spirit that will help you grow wisdom and knowledge from Heaven but not from this world. You're no longer born from flesh/ mother's womb. You are reborn by the spirit with Faith.
The world is dead and filth of sin.
Jesus Told us we are no longer part of this world. I had trouble understand before I know Jesus Christ.
The more things people know about this world is hard to understand the word of God. The word of God is spiritually inspired and to learn Jesus's walks of life.
Pikachu, you know it is true. The more you read it, the more it makes sense. You are trying to fight it, but because you fight it so much only proves you know it is true.
It is hard to believe sometimes, but none of it can be proven wrong. Test any other document with thousands of pages and see if you can find anything blatently inaccurate with it. I am sure you will. And these words were written down 2000 years ago, and yet today, it is still accurate, true, and can not be proven wrong.
The fact that birds have reptilian DNA but reptiles don't have avian DNA. Which means that birds are derived from reptiles which is in contradiction to genesis which tells us that birds were created on the 5th day and land animals on the 6th. The fossil record confirms this order of events.
But this is not a discussion about evolutionary science. What is it about the bible which feels divine to you?
@carsonfry It also says right there in the first chapter that the moon is a "luminary," meaning it produces light, and not just a reflector. This has been proven false. Add to that the sun not being made until the day after plants started growing, which we know they can't do without sunlight. That's all right there in chapter one.
Is God a socialist? Here, for example: Isaiah 65 "(21) They will build houses and dwell in them; they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit. (22) No longer will they build houses for others to inhabit, nor plant for others to eat." Divinely inspired words. I think you will find nothing in Roman or Greek books even remotely like this.
Oh i think you misunderstood my post. I didn't say that other people were saying the same things. I was assuming that you weren't basing the attribution of divinity on the mere fact that other people of that time hadn't said the same things.
Have you read Tolkien? The Silmarillion? Literally thousands of years of history, culture, language and folklore. All imaginary.
It's my understanding that the bible is historically accurate in many (though not all) respects but that does little to convince me that there is a divine power influencing it.
[quote]Patterns emerge that fall in line with whom the creator claims to be.[/quote]
I'm not sure what you mean. Can you give an example?
I find it strange that you can understand how people derive to that point, but you don't understand what it must be like to think that way. Because they do the same thing you do, they take certain ideas, follow the dots, and come to a point of vieuw. How it would be like to think that way? Well, they think just the way you do, they just have diffrent thoughts, which guide their actions.
[i]Watch your thoughts, they become words; Watch your words, they become actions; Watch your actions, they become habits; Watch your habits, they become character; Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.[/i]
[quote]I find it strange that you can understand how people derive to that point, but you don't understand what it must be like to think that way[/quote]
@Pikachu Because it is true, whether I like it or not! God kills people today so I am not going to put my head in the sand and ignore the truth! I am finding out why does God do that and I want to know everything about him. I read the Bible to learn about God.
God helps those who are loving to people and those who love God. It’s that simple, what's not to understand? God helped the Jews to carry out his judgement and he helped them. Then they left God and then they were on their own. Jesus came to bring peace between man and God, to reconcile us to himself because he loves us. This life is not the end, it’s just a preview! We will all die, some young some old! It’s not the worst that can happen! The next is my home, not this life!
@Pikachu Get yourself a time machine, you can borrow Dr Who’s, go back to the days of the early prophets and ask them. Don’t get lost and when you get back you can tell me what they said 😀
Inspired maybe. Cause it is definitely full of fervor and zealousness. They certainly seemed to be inspired by those feelings at least. Which could be inspired because of the idea of God. But that is much different than inerrant. And def not authored by God. You could really say this about any book though, cause every author has been inspired to write their own book. So being inspired by something isn't really saying anything.
Earlier you seemed to express disappointment that we couldn't have respectful, polite exchanges of opinion. I told you i would be happy to do that and laid out some ground rules as well as asking you what you would want from me.
Now you're ignoring my offer. So do you genuinely want to have that sort of interaction going forward or were you just trying to shame me?
You just prove the Bible right: “ people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means” Before I became a Christian I was floundering in the dark with the Bible too. How to become a Christian it was as if someone switched on the light to me. You see the good book is right about you again
Well surely even you’re not as dumb as not to realise when you post under spirituality and religion we are not going to allow God into the subject? @Pikachu
Sorry, didn't follow that. I think there may be an extra "not" in there or something.
But please answer my question. How did you "let god into the subject"? You said that the turning on of the light was when you let god into the subject. How did you go about doing that? Practically speaking, what did that entail?
If I can’t understand something the first thing I ask is a question about myself. Why? The Bible itself says: “people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means” There is your problem - trying to understand spiritual truth with a natural mind
@Pikachu I was raised in the Christian faith, and I believe the Bible is inspired by God. No one can make you believe, but I trust God and I trust His word.
