Please don't make assumptions about people you don't know, bud.
That's exactly what i did the first time i read the bible when my born again brother was desperate to save my soul. And it's what i'm doing now although i have to consciously check myself and withhold judgement when i feel myself getting critical.
But the fact is that it just gives me the overwhelming impression of being utterly human in origin and scope.🤷🏻
@Pikachu Do many things confused. Your brother can't save your soul - That's up to Jesus. If you won't listen to your own brother, who obviously loves and cares about you - surely you must know by now that there is nothing I could possibly say or do to convince you, to open your mind, to accept Jesus as your Savior. That's on you. All I can suggest is that you pray for God's guidance. I'm not talking about a wink and a nod - I mean a genuine sit down, humbling yourself before your Creator, pour your heart out, meeting.
@Budwick [quote]surely you must know by now that there is nothing I could possibly say or do to convince you, to open your mind, to accept Jesus as your Savior.[/quote]
If you have solid proof for your claims, I will accept Jesus as my savior right away Budwick.
@Budwick I did get it Budwick... I just deny that you are right. There are things that you can do to convince people.
But I guess it's just easier for you to believe that people can't be convinced, then accepting that you don't have anny good argument to back up what people need to be convinced about. But I understand your version is easier on you. 👬
@Budwick But doesn't God want to save everyone? Unless you're a Calvinist and believe that God decided who he would save and who he would send to hell before he created the universe. But if you don't believe that, why wouldn't God do whatever was necessary to communicate with everyone? If you say that it's up to me to seek him out, and I refuse to do so, that makes me more powerful than God. He wants to save me, but I'm stronger than he is, so I resist him successfully.
@LeopoldBloom I'm sure God would like to save everyone. He made it pretty clear that there would be those that refuse Him. I think it's in Matthew where the Bible says - "But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
And, I think it's silly that you twist your disbelief making you more powerful than God.
@Budwick 🤦♂️ You argue that there is nothing that convince us. And I say you are wrong. You just have to have good evidence. Something you don't, that's why you are not convincing us in the first place.
Yes, in the story, Jesus didn't convince annyone. I also think Jesus in the story of Thomas actively promotes ignorance. I think Jesus was seriously wrong there and kind of a hypocrit if you look at the old testament.
I'm not frustrated, but I guess that makes it easier on you again. It's kinda strange that you always have to give some negative twist to the person you are talking too so you can feel better about yourself even tough you bring nothing of substance to the table.
@Kwek00 There are no rational explanations in support of the existence of God. God is supernatural - He transcends rationality. He's not going to fit into your tiny box of things you understand.
It's not about being easy or difficult for me. I've simply accepted that some are simply lost.
@Budwick That's the entire points of these discussions Budwick.
That there is no logical explanation That there is no rational support for Gods' excitence That people have just accepted it
Which means, that people that do such a thing let there lifes be guided by an idea that has no substance behind it. Which creates all kinds of movements. Going from religious movements to incredible romantic political doctrines. And all these movements have the potential to become mass movements that are always mingling with peoples life without ANNY good argument to back them up. Just because they accepted something without evidence. That's what people like me find pretty stupid, to conciously accept a bunch of stuff where there is no proof for, and then mingling it in public discourse and social life [i](like making laws that everyone should abide by because some people just accepted something without evidence)[/i]. Not to mention throwing out actual scientific proof that goes against their believes, no matter how much material evidence we find that proves that evolution is actually a thing, a number of people that accept shit without evidence will disregard it, because it goes against what the believe. That's the entire point Budwick. You don't have to make it into: "I can't convince you annyway", because you can, you just don't have annything to proof you are right.
@Kwek00 Here's the interesting thing. Even though there's no rational explanation, I KNOW that God exists. O I KNOW that He is the Creator of the Universe. I KNOW His Son Jesus is my Lord and Savior.
It began for me as a child - interested in who I am, where I came from, where I'm going. Recognition that the world around me was too complex to be accidental. Church and study gave me more assurance, more answers, greater confidence.
It's unfortunate your path took you another way - but we're all different. Maybe you'll swing back.
But, I don't feel a responsibility to convince you of anything.
in every mental institution there are people that KNOW something excists. A lot of these people go even beyond normal religious peoples concept of knowing. A common theme with people in isolation that go crazy, is the awareness of insects crawling over their skin. They go pretty far on this awareness. Some people see them, a lot of people feel them, it's so real for them that they scratch open their skin to get the insects of of them. AND YET there are no insects to be found.
That's the power of someones mind, that sometimes, it can create an illusion that is so real, that people accept that it's real. There are psychotic cases of people seeing and experiecing stuff, that isn't real. But they believe it is annyway.
Of course, no one that actually believes is something, believes that their brain can possibly be fooling them. So the only way to find stuff out, is to try and objectively measure if what they believe is real, is actually real. But some people are so convinced about their illusion that they can't even accept the measurements annymore. So they keep telling themselves that the world is wrong and that they are right. In the most extreme cases, they make mass movements and oppress everything that contradicts their believes. Because the illusion has to be maintained at all costs, because it defines who they are. They are so hooked on it, that they can't live without it.
At the end of the day though, it's better to make choices on realness and not on illusion. And it's also better to not push your illusions upon others.
This is what those issues have to do with this discussion btw
[quote][b]And eon's of of understanding what marriage really is - is now delightfully confused with what [u]God[/u] specifically said it is not.[/b][/quote]
I just needed to wait a couple of days so I could point it out.
