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Does veganism actually save animals?

Animal farming is such a huge large scale industry
Do a few vegans even cause a dent in that process?
If the vegan doesn't eat it, the meat eater will, right? Won't it die anyway?
basicgirl12
22-25, F
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BlueVeins · 22-25
Yeah, veganism does indeed save animals. If a bunch of people stop eating meat, then that will decrease the total market demand for meat. The Law of Supply and Demand states that this decrease in demand will result in a decrease in prices. The decrease in prices will mean that animal husbandry will become less lucrative, disincentivizing production. By this method, each vegan is estimated to save 404 animals per year on average.

It also saves the environment on a massive scale.
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redredred · M
@BlueVeins Yes, you have the choice to subvert several thousand generations of evolution and consume a substandard diet deficient in protein, iron and lots of other valuable nutrients. Go ahead. Starvebyourself so you can continue your virtue signalling but dont forget the first point in this conversation;

Vegans, consuming a plant based diet cause the deaths of thousands of small animals. The silly slogan, "Meat is Murder" ignores the undeniable truth that plant cultivation causes as many deaths or more of small animals. Vegans are just as guilty of animal deaths are are omnivores if not more so.
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BlueVeins · 22-25
@redredred [quote]Yes, you have the choice to subvert several thousand generations of evolution[/quote]

appeal to nature fallacy

[quote] deficient in protein[/quote]

Soybeans have more protein per calorie than meat

[quote]iron[/quote]

which you can get from oats, nuts, beans, and regular old supplements

[quote]lots of other valuable nutrients.[/quote]

😆

[quote]The silly slogan, "Meat is Murder" ignores the undeniable truth that plant cultivation causes as many deaths or more of small animals.[/quote]

Veganism reduces the amount of plant cultivation that must be done in the first place by cutting out the middle man.

You're living in the 16th century, dude.
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redredred · M
@BlueVeins Its okay if you run from clear logic when its presented to you; you wouldnt be a vegan if you understood logic.
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Piper · 61-69, F
I'm aware that MY long ago choice to not consume meat or purchase many animal "products" does not make any huge difference in the scheme of things. I'm also aware that if enough other people did, it most definitely [i]would[/i].

If [i]everyone[/i] had an "all or nothing" outlook, [i]nothing[/i] would ever change. 😐️
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BlueVeins · 22-25
@Piper Yeah, imagine applying that to voting, lol.
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MushroomFaerie
Its complicated. Alot of meat and other things get wasted regardless but the less demand should make things change. I'm not a vegan and have no plans to start but people eat waaay too much meat..
Animals suffer and are treated very badly because of the high demand and not only Is too much meat bad for humans but the quality is very poor and we ingest the hormones that were streaming through the animals from a poor quality of life, poor diet, no activity or even sunshine but also the fear, the abuse... Its like a concentration camp in most of those places
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TeirdalinFirefall · 31-35, M
The meat will be frozen and exported, unless an insanely large number stop eating meat, it won't really make any difference at all.

And ironically enough, if everyone stopped eating meat, and stopped eating eggs and dairy~ many breeds of bovine and chicken today as we know them will go extinct as they're not fit to survive in the wilds on their own due to so many generations of domestication.
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gol979 · 41-45, M
@TeirdalinFirefall awwwww. The hideous "living" conditions and mass slaughter we impose is for their benefit. So altruistic 👊
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TeirdalinFirefall · 31-35, M
@gol979 I think that is mostly just due to excessively high demand mainly, and greedy factory owners trying to get extra cash for less effort, and less space. Taking advantage of the lax laws for farm animals.
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4meAndyou · F
I think vegans and vegetarians do make a difference. I can only find old stats from 2015, but there are, combined, 16 million vegans and vegetarians in the United States. Of a total population of 349 million, that's about 4.7% of our total population.

The main difference you make in saving animals is in showing us how it's done. We may never become vegans or vegetarians, BUT the trend is to incorporate more non-meat meals into our diet as a nation. So don't feel as if you haven't made an impact.
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Veganism is not actually about saving animals. If everyone was vegan, farm animals wouldn’t be alive in the first place.

It’s an ethical/philosophical position, and you can extend it into environmentalism, but it’s not really about saving animals as much as it is about not participating in certain behaviors that are deemed morally wrong.
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gol979 · 41-45, M
Does more people not eating meat mean less meat needs to be produced? I'm not sure why there's a question mark there.

Also you're using the word vegan when it should be vegetarian. Many more people other than vegans don't eat meat
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basicgirl12 · 22-25, F
@gol979 I wonder if there will ever be enough people who don't eat meat to put a dent in the amount of meat produced and farmed. I wonder if there will ever be enough vegans for any tangible change to be affected
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gol979 · 41-45, M
@basicgirl12 errrm, yeah. If less people consume meat obviously leads to less demand.

I'm not saying the meat industry (even the name sounds rancid) will disappear but it will obviously make a "dent"
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jomsim · 26-30, M
21% of people are vegan or vegetarian in my country. That's about 14,000,000 people. If they instead ate meat every day, that is a LOT of animals even over just a year. And I'm only from a small country.
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YukikoAmagi
[c=#359E00]they will actually endangered them by competing eating their food[/c] 😂
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redredred · M
When you want 1500 lbs of protein rich food you can kill and slaughter a steer. Or you can plow up two acres of land, destroying the habitat of millions of little creatures and killing most of them and grow soybeans. Then when you harvest the soybeans, you kill a few hundred thousand other little bugs and little creatures.

Your choice.
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Anonymartyr · M
Farming vegetables/grains on a larger scale will not restore habitats.
To really make an impact of any kind on the environment become a forager. Hunt over-populations of species (moderately) , protect diminishing populations and preserve habitats by not clearing them of anything but dead materials.
All else is just social clubs.
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SW-User
No. Just because you don't eat them, doesn't mean you actually do anything to save them.

If you put an animal in a cage (zoo's) are you saving it?
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Pikachu
@SW-User

[quote]are you saving it?
[/quote]

Compared to ending it's life? Yes, certainly.
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