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CrustyDDingus36-40, M
Women only want one thing. But it ain't ducks or walruses 馃

BlueVeins22-25
It's impossible to work men out because all men are different. Every time you meet a new one, you have to start with essentially a blank slate and work from there. There are social trends which are broadly applicable across most men, but even they act more as a guideline for figuring out a man and aren't reliable.
Primnproper56-60, F
@BlueVeins you鈥檙e right as in there is no foolproof way to navigate it across the board.
cuppatea31-35, F
@BlueVeins You're not THAT complicated. 馃槅
BlueVeins22-25
@cuppatea Its not complexity so much as individuality. Men are just people when it comes down to it.
whowasthatmaskedman70-79, M
Sure. Both are quite straighforward. However, you have to be able to frame them in terms you arent comfortable with and think outside your comfort zone. First, know that both genders come with a double decker personality. The instinct animal, and the evolved human and they interact. Women instinctively seek good genes and security for themselves and their offspring. Which is perfectly understandable. But here it gets complicated, The evolved woman wants to do what she wants..And that changes according to a bunch of factors I wont blame on her time of the month. (but some might). Basically, she wants one of two things. More, and something else. She keeps wanting more, until the moment comes when she wants something else, Now guys. You need to go figure out what that is.. Good Luck!
Now for the guys. At the animal level, they desire to breed with anything they can catch. Some more than others, but its still there in the background. The better looking and smoother (or richer) a guy is the more opportunities he will get and dont expect him not to take advantage. Really ideally a guy seeks the perfect woman . Once he finds her he will settle down happily enough hoping she never changes,. But she does. Kids, career, age, boredom. Life is change. So he will adapt one way or another. A large part of that will be how much she wants to improve her perfect man. Because he will never really change..Just put on a Husband suit when she is around. If you dont believe me, watch him carefully when he is watching football, boxing or playing sport with his old male friends. The guy you first took up with is still in there, Just less hair and more gut..So letting him be him sometimes will help him he happy with who he has become for you..That wont stop him looking at other women. But it will keep him happy to just look..馃樂
Primnproper56-60, F
@whowasthatmaskedman I wonder if those ideals change from country to country because a few have made those same remarks about women and I have to say in the UK from my experience many women just want a dependable guy that loves them wholeheartedly and that we are enough for and they are committed to.
whowasthatmaskedman70-79, M
@Primnproper I am sure there are cultural differences from country to country, with religion also feeding in. But I think they serve as second level factors on what makes a man happy with his woman and vice versa.If my wife conforms or excels in some cultural area as a successfull hostess or housekeeper or your husband shows you the respect or has the ability to provide through his ability to network with his fellows, these all add you the mutual content. I should note, since you show an interest, these are generalizations. No everyone is like this.. There are psychological differences that make some unsuitable as partners. But these explanations work for most people, to at least some extent..馃樂
4meAndyouF
I can say, based on my own experience, that players never stop playing, and they will usually die before they grow up and realize that love is sacred, and that it should be valued.
4meAndyouF
@IronHamster The first ex was attracted to ME. I was only 17 at the time, and very silly. I was flattered. AND I thought it was wonderful that an older man was interested in me. He was 11 years older. He took me out to dinner, and I was thrilled by all of that.

The second ex was handsome. I just enjoyed looking at him. AND he was interested in me. Always a plus...馃ぃ

The third ex had a great body from working in construction, and a handsome face, and he was a bad boy. I was incredibly drawn to the bad boy element at that time, after a few years of a boring life. He liked to party. I liked to party. I loved being with him. At the first part of being together, he was funny, and he seemed to love me. He had problems, and I helped him to solve one or two of them. Everything that seemed so easy for me to do seemed so hard for him...and I love to fix things. His family were from the Projects, and he was very ignorant...but he also had a natural intelligence. Unfortunately...all of that changed.
Primnproper56-60, F
@4meAndyou sorry to butt in but it sounds like you had low self esteem.
4meAndyouF
@Primnproper I probably did, when I was in high school.
Maybe it's arrogant of me,
but I think it's usually best to think of people as just people, irrespective of x or y genes.

Most of us have an ego. If we mature, we eventually discover that ego issues aren't that important. What matters most is empathy, kindness, honesty, responsibility and making the best of our circumstances.
We all have pretty much the same basic drives, depending on age and health.

If we do something simple, liking asking others what they need, with a little practicality and creativity, we can usually find mutually satisfying ways to meet them.

We suffer most when we let ego, power issues, greed, anger or ignorance rule us.
@hartfire I agree, but I think you expressed it much better than I could. 馃槉
@bijouxbroussard Thank you! 馃槉
IronHamster56-60, M
My experiences. My ex was anything but honest, and I was naive which is exactly what she was looking for. I value honesty. I will tell women where they stand. I will tell them they may not like what I say but I will not lie to them. It works better this way.
Primnproper56-60, F
@IronHamster I totally agree, honesty is a must, a basic foundation of any relationship.
IronHamster56-60, M
@Primnproper Should be.

Hat tip to comedian Kip Adata, but, some men are only after one thing and will do anything to get that one thing. Some men will deny that, if it will help them get that one thing.
Primnproper56-60, F
@IronHamster oh I鈥檝e met plenty of those.lol That鈥檚 why it鈥檚 good to take the time and observe.
JestAJester31-35, M
Sort of. Definitely cannot treat women the same way you treat men. Women are more emotional so you have to take greater care with your words. Take notice and say something nice if they changed their hair or are wearing a new outfit. They're sense of humor is usually different, in my experience men prefer sexual humor whereas women like corny or dad jokes. Women are more vain than men, we simply dont care abou our appearance. But i feel like women also have more patience than men. Theres a lot more. It varies from person to person.
Primnproper56-60, F
@JestAJester I don鈥檛 know you so couldn鈥檛 possibly say whether you鈥檙e a bonehead or not 馃榿 The best thing you can do around any woman is be yourself as that鈥檚 what we like to get to know, not a version of you the real you.
JestAJester31-35, M
@Primnproper if you dont mind that older brother antagonizing vibe we'll get along
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Primnproper56-60, F
@PoeticPlay so very true.
notsure56-60, M
I have no time for mind games there is no point to them.
Primnproper56-60, F
@notsure absolutely agree, life鈥檚 far too short.
notsure56-60, M
@Primnproper Now isnt that just the truth
AbbeyRhodeF
Those who play head games seem to also be more likely to cheat. Playing games is nothing but deception, and lies go hand in hand with unfaithfulness.
My first husband was a big player. It frustrated me no end, and I finally saw it for what it was, cruel and deceptive. He was also a liar and a cheater.
Primnproper56-60, F
@AbbeyRhode I鈥檓 inclined to agree with you. I鈥檓 watching someone that鈥檚 played games over the years within my family and is now cheating and I find it very frustrating.
kuteeT
its like the joke, a man walks along a beach, finds a lantern, he rubs it and a genie comes out., he thinks wonderful i will be rich, he asks for his three wishes, the genie says .''im not that kind of genie, i can answer any question in the world, the man thinks hard, hmm ok clever guy, explain to me the israel /palestine conflict, the genie says'' oh that's too complicated, asks me something else, something simpler'',, so the guy thinks then says' explain ot me how a woman's mind works' and the genie says' ok in 1948 israel invaded palestine,
Primnproper56-60, F
@kutee 馃ぃ馃ぃ馃ぃ
lasergraph70-79, M
I have been asked how I stayed married 51 years. The answer is don't get divorced. A perfect marriage is two imperfect people who refuse to give up.
Primnproper56-60, F
@lasergraph I don鈥檛 honestly believe a perfect marriage exists. There are flaws in every situation but it鈥檚 how you deal with them that counts. Understanding, compromise and listening to each other.
Flenflyys31-35, F
I do not understand them at all
IronHamster56-60, M
@Primnproper Humans tend to be dysfunctional. There are plenty of people that are dishonest, either because they don't know what they want, or because they do know but they also know that they won't get it if they are honest about it.

I think it is normal that once the commitment has been made the pretenders change focus. Likely, the man spends the rest of the relationship wondering what happened to the woman he married, and the woman focuses on changing the man into the guy she would rather have married.
Primnproper56-60, F
@IronHamster I do agree I have seen some women try and change their men, personally I鈥檝e not seen the point of it as then they鈥檙e not the person you married or fell in love with. After experiencing perimenopause I can confirm that unless women get help they can morph overnight Into a completely different person to which a man has no chance at understanding. lol
Flenflyys31-35, F
@IronHamster women do have mood swings, but men overall are much more sensitive than women.
Houdini56-60, M
Yes iv worked women I鈥檓 always wrong always in the way. And you are always right lol 馃槀
Primnproper56-60, F
@Houdini im sure thats not true.
Houdini56-60, M
@Primnproper well I鈥檓 sure I would be wrong in one particular thing lol. But yes it鈥檚 true
Primnproper56-60, F
Thank you so much for all your replies it was most interesting.馃グ馃グ
trick Q.. nobody can work woman out 馃
Primnproper56-60, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout I would probably agree with you. Lol
AlchemyFox36-40, F
I avoid men in that way. They confuse the crap out of me, along with relationships. I don't know how it gets so complicated, or why it's so difficult to be thoughtful, but I am happier alone. I have a son so I kinda am starting to understand guys, but he's the only one I can handle.
Primnproper56-60, F
@AlchemyFox they are an enigma just as we are. So it鈥檚 all about one step at a time without too many expectations.
travelguy0141-45, M
People too easily let their insecurities affect how they treat others, especially in relationships. They do this because they don鈥檛 understand how the mind actually works and how they actually have these insecurities that are causing this behavior to begin with. They can choose to acknowledge what鈥檚 really going on in their own mind, acknowledge that the insecurities are their own fabrication, and choose to pick a different thought pattern and path. But most don鈥檛.
Primnproper56-60, F
@travelguy01 I鈥檝e tried to get him to see it for what it is from a different perspective but he has blinkers on. I know if he walks away from what he has he鈥檚 going to regret it but it looks like he鈥檚 going to have to find out for himself.
travelguy0141-45, M
@Primnproper The even bigger issue is that he鈥檚 going to negatively impact his wife and child in the process of destroying himself too. Your daughter also needs to see this, and try to help him snap out of it. She needs to be confident in herself and her own instincts and not fall for any attempted guilt tripping or gaslighting from him.
Primnproper56-60, F
@travelguy01 I think they both got themselves into a rut and life became monotonous as it can in many long term marriages or relationships and instead of working in reconnecting it made him question whether his marriage was over. She had no idea as he said he had been acting normal for the last year when he had doubts.
Richard65M
Part of the excitement and attraction is in not being able to work them out. Women are mysterious creatures. That's why I love 'em.
Primnproper56-60, F
@Richard65 that鈥檚 true, so to you that鈥檚 a positive.
Richard65M
@Primnproper yes indeed. I don't really want to know everything about her. I want her to retain a part of herself that neither I nor anyone else will ever discover or properly understand. I know that might seem a strange thing to say, but I know a woman who told me she and her husband knew everything there was to know about each other, and she was utterly bored because no mystery remained.
Primnproper56-60, F
@Richard65 I must admit after a failed marriage before I鈥檓 open with my husband that I always keep a part of myself back. Self preservation I think.
Jeephikelove46-50, F
It鈥檚 awful isn鈥檛 it? I don鈥檛 understand it or men. 馃槙
Primnproper56-60, F
@Jeephikelove I鈥檝e used a few more choice words than that I can assure you!馃ぃ馃ぃ
Jeephikelove46-50, F
@Primnproper I bet!!!! He鈥檚 still alive so kudos to your self control 馃
Primnproper56-60, F
@Jeephikelove only because he鈥檚 my grandsons father so for that he will always have some respect granted him.
cuppatea31-35, F
To quote my brother ... "As long as my stomach is full and my balls are empty, I'm happy"

Men are not that complicated. It's rather scary they run the world.
whowasthatmaskedman70-79, M
@cuppatea That is actually close enough to be scary..馃樂
SW-User
Ive learned that anyone who says it's complicated..is making it harder than it's needed ..this includes me ...it's bullshit really
Primnproper56-60, F
@SW-User in my experience when they say it鈥檚 complicated they鈥檙e just not ready to admit the obvious.
SW-User
@Primnproper completely agree
MorbidCynicF
I鈥檓 too Autistic to be anything other than extremely blunt and also I ask very direct questions.
Primnproper56-60, F
@MorbidCynic You sound like the female version of my husband.馃檪
Thevy2941-45, M
I chose to remove myself from the equation. The bachelors life for me!
Justmeraeagain56-60, F
I worked out they do not approach things the same way.
Primnproper56-60, F
@Justmeraeagain I think that鈥檚 very true.
zorroo56-60, M
welcome back, loooooong time no see.馃尫
Primnproper56-60, F
@zorroo hello there, thank you. Good to see you.鈽猴笍
AuggieM
I dont bother. 馃槒
Primnproper56-60, F
@Auggie many don鈥檛 on both sides.馃榿
I always approached it from the premise that our similarities as human beings [b]must[/b] override any gender differences, which are surely mostly social mores, anyway ?
Could be why I never remarried. 馃
Primnproper56-60, F
@bijouxbroussard I get that but aside from the obvious anatomy aspect I find men to be more visually tuned in whereas women are more emotionally tuned in and these differences fascinate me.
@Primnproper I鈥檝e heard that, too, but I encounter exceptions all the time.
Primnproper56-60, F
@bijouxbroussard There鈥檚 always exceptions to every rule I believe.
MarkPaul26-30, M
Yes, it's quite simple really. Communication. I have started to open up (slightly) more and find that people respond to that.
jehova31-35, M
Be honest open seek common ground confirm everything and expressive gratitude. And avoid assumptions.
I've tried everything and given up.
IronHamster56-60, M
@Primnproper So, a guy that doesn't have a fit body, decent income, or even own a car, living in his mother's spare room, has the same odds of picking up a girl that Leonardo DeCaprio has?
Primnproper56-60, F
@IronHamster To many women yes, if the guy in the spare room had a nicer disposition and was generally a loving soul I鈥檇 put my money on him rather than a high flier like Decaprio. My first husband was unemployed and still at home when I met him but we connected and knew from the start we wanted the same things and we were together for 15yrs.
IronHamster56-60, M
@Primnproper If I may ask, what was it that attracted you to your husband?

Physiologically, we can measure the chemicals that create "love", but I am at a loss to explain why one person evokes this over all others.
Steve4256-60, M
Pffft, total freakin mystery.

 
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