@hippyjoe1955 We agree no such thing!
Offer your definition and we'll go from there.

@chibs So there is no random events? Or what do you mean? If there is no random events then we are left with a Creator.

@hippyjoe1955 why are you talking about 'random events'?
I asked for your definition of life.
You seem unable to offer one.
You would therefore seem to be making claims about something when you don't know what it is.

@chibs Evolution is the whole meal deal. Try again.

@hippyjoe1955 oh, just when I thought you were making progress, you start demanding that everything in the universe be explained all at once.

@chibs I could say the same of you. So did life form by force of nature (evolution) or was it created?

@SparkleLeaf Science is religion. Evolution is simply an excuse to forget about God. Ask Dawkins.

@SparkleLeaf perhaps as an adjunct to a course on Abnormal Psychology? 😀

@FreddieUK Your statements are faith statements not facts. We don't know much about the origin of the universe. If we take the position that God is the God of Potentials and so His creation was simply Him setting the potentials into reality within Himself then things start to make a lot more sense. The ancient Greeks held to a theory of primordial chaos from which the Creator God brought about order. It is similar but not identical to the Christian understanding. Both make much more sense that evolution's "In the beginning was nothing and nothing existed for a very long time until suddenly for no reason at all nothing exploded and became everything. Some time later bits of everything again for no reason what so ever got together and made dinosaurs.". Evolution truly is a busted theory and should not be taught at all.

@hippyjoe1955
I understand where you're coming from and have many friends who take your position: we agree to differ while still remaining united on other matters. Without entering into the specific debate, the fact that this is a predominantly held view is sufficient to persuade me that it should be taught as part of a balanced curriculum which explains other scientific and (in a different class) faith positions.

@FreddieUK Given that science is a religion with its own faith should be instructive. We hate the idea that we just don't know. We also hate the idea that there is a God so we come up with all kinds of theories to get around that inconvenience.

@IloveLucy Obviously you know nothing about science. Kind of funny how intolerant the religious 'science adherents' are given they know nothing about the science they so rabidly defend.

@SaltnLime bona fide religious faith isn't mysticism any more than evolution theory is science.

Though poorly educated people usually think like you do.

I always wonder why.

What do you gain by arguing an unwinnable argument?

@1490wayb Evolution is endless.

@Vin53 the experts on both sides cannot come to agreement

@Sidewinder Religious schools should teach the same curriculae as mainstream ones. It's as well to think of those whom education is meant to benefit: the pupils.

@RoguishEyes Of course you are allowed to express your opinion on the OP or some point raised by it, but you did not answer the question.

Instead you rather dismissively suggested I was lying - and still did not give your views, nor why you apparently disagreed with me.

I replied to your question by saying no, my parents could not have taught both science and theology though my Dad could have taught mathematics and the specialist area of science he worked in.*

I am not a parent but I know I could not have taught difficult academic subjects. I doubt most people could, either. That's why we have schools!

So what is your answer to the thread's heading question?

.......

My brother ran into a peculiar problem, as I think many other British parents did, when trying to help their children with their homework. Some decades after he and I had left school, arithmetic teaching became overtaken by fads and fancies including very strange new ways to perform basic operations like multiplication. These were so different from the normal way, many parents were left baffled and unable to help!

@ArishMell How about this? NO, how about if PARENTS teach either? Was that a clear enough answer? 🙄🤦🏻‍♂
Again, I never suggested you were lying. That's your conscience talking to you.

@RoguishEyes I have no guilty conscience because I have done nothing wrong. I posted a sincere answer which you dismissed without saying why, and did not answer the heading either, which refers to teaching in schools.

Does,



.... mean you believe parents should not try to be teachers? If so then we are more or less in agreement!

@Vin53 Put youre hand on that book and you can't lie. Now THERE'S a big deal.

@ffony Yeah but is it stronger than a pinky-promise?

@Vin53 Not even that strong.

@BlueGreenGrey Good point, though I would suggest there is a place in schools for Religious Education - which is totally different from religious indoctrination, and does not require you to believe in any deity or to switch religious allegiance.

What I mean by RE is teaching all, of any faith or none personally, about the many different faiths' basic beliefs, ways of worship and histories.

It must not proselytise for or undermine any particular faith, as that would be totally wrong; but be fair and open to all so as to help people understand other people; thereby at least help reduce prejudice based on ignorance and the fear of difference.

It's as well to remember the real beneficiaries of a civilised education system, are not teachers, administrators and parents, and certainly not faith or other special-interest groups.

@rinkydinkydoink I wouldn’t be surprised.

@Convivial ??? I would say that both evolution and religion are evolving, and at times one or the other evolves faster than the other, but not always.

@Heartlander something that is based on 2000 yo hearsay does not evolve... The supposed facts are of what is supposed to have happened are either fixed or not...

@Convivial Evolution is older than that. It goes back to ancient Greece.

@ElRengo I am only reflecting what is obvious to everyone on the thread. You have your biases and keep trying to force your silly beliefs on me. I have been around the sun a lot more years than you and have had this discussion with people a lot smarter than you. Not trying to be nasty but you are a flat earther when it comes to science.

@hippyjoe1955
I would not bet on what is obvious to everyone in this thread, not after reading what others are answering to your posts.
I´m not forcing you to believe nothing, specially not the "silly" views of scientist.

On "I have been around the sun a lot more years than you".
That´s funny as it seems that I´m even a bit older.
Also nothing important, but you seem to focus on that kind of trivial arguments.

..."with people a lot smarter than you"
Oh, we have a coincidence!
I´ve also had talks, interactions, includding academic ones with people a lot smarter than ME!
I´ve learned from them.And that´s what makes some difference.
Sorry to say you are not one of them.

You may be or not trying to be nasty.
It´s not important at all.


Have a nice tomorrow.

@ElRengo Yawn. Well you keep deluding yourself with that. No one but you cares. have a nice existence. The one here on earth doesn't last very long.

@exexec To include all religions?

@Vin53 Correct.

@hippyjoe1955 Peas in a pod. Don't try to buddy up with me, I don't need your help nor do I care for your tagteam tactics

@Jackaloftheazuresand Too funny! I am not trying to tag team anyone especially you.