@ElRengo Yes evolution is nonsense. Creationism is a logical explanation. Where does information come from? There is tons of information in a simple amoeba. How can it be through evolution?
@hippyjoe1955 Go and learn the scientific concept of information, not necessarily involving agency. Learn also what logic is, a branch of mathematics whith no "ontologic commitment". And even better if you get also an idea of what Science is.
@hippyjoe1955 I doubt it. You may have a science related training but your own words show a weak understanding of Science concepts and it´s related History, even so. But no mater our own science curriculum, science is not about individuals. Your views are more aligned with a particular branch of religious speech than with the community of those that do research.
@ElRengo I have done more science than you could imagine. You have no idea what the terms you use actually mean. If you listened to the evolutionists they would tell you that evolution is a broken theory. They said so at their recent convention.
@hippyjoe1955 As I´ve said, I´m not interested in your personal curriculum. And you neither know mine.......but whatever is individual is not relevant to this debate. About the meaning of the terms and concepts, are not mine but the meanings adopted by those who research and make Science be. On the last two asertions, please provide a link to the related serious scientific source.
@hippyjoe1955 Personal comments can´t replace facts. So let´s have what I asked you for, provided you have those links to what YOU posted, just to begin with.
@ElRengo I am pretty sure you could find the facts if you applied science and not religion. I did. I used to be on your side. I found out I was wrong and switched sides. Your side demands more faith than I can muster.
@hippyjoe1955 You don´t even know which my side is. But again, nothing personal is relevant. I can probably find the facts, some of them, when those facts exist. The "recent convention" seems to be ........ less solid. A one held by preachers?
@ElRengo It is pretty obvious by the way you are attacking what you think is religion and defending what you think is science. Sadly your science is religion.
@hippyjoe1955 Confirmed, you do not know. I´m not attacking at all faith based believes. And again, what I think Science is aligned with what the scientific community make Science be, with a near to 400 years history. While your views seem to agree with a specific branch of religious thought.
@ElRengo You are a religious science believer. Your faith is based on what you were indoctrinated with in grade school. If you were to open your eyes and actually look at the evidence and you were honest with yourself you would stop believing in high school science classes.
@hippyjoe1955 You insist in the personal, perhaps cos of lack of something better. And again, you don´t know about me and there is no need to. Same about you, personal views and individual knowledge are not relevant to what Science is. But as you don´t bring something a bit more solid than imagined personal caracterizations......... Have a good night.
@ElRengo I don't know you nor do I even want to know you. However I can discern your beliefs by what you say. I have heard your nonsense coming from my own lips years ago.
@hippyjoe1955 Near to the same here. You don´t know about me BUT you go on focused on the personal. I don´t know about you nor that would have relevance. But by when the worldview you held had enough power, there was no Science besides some singular precedents. And with the historical evidence of it´s results Science was born when and since it took it´s own path. Just as a coincidence, near the times when someone said:
@ElRengo so you are among the flat earthers. As to be expected. Funny how I have never mentioned the Bible. I have only spoke of science and observation. Did at single cell (the beginning of life on earth) evolve from non living material? The chemical experts say that it can't be done. The biologists just ignore the question.
[@hippyjoe1955 No, it´s not funny at all. Textualism is in the core of a debate wider than this particular one. "The chemical experts say that it can't be done" You are missing most of what is published on molecular biology. " I have only spoke of science and observation." and "The biologists......" Just not the ones that scientist do.
"so you are among the flat earthers" This kind of thing is the funny one, specially coming from you.
@hippyjoe1955 Well, Vitalism had an even earlier origin and found lack of any wheight. But while evolution in it´s actual form is far from being disacredited for Science (but only between Science deniers), Vitalism and their related varieties have no other sustain than said Science deniers. By the way would you please tell me what do you think about Galileo´s quote? It´s an almost foundational one.
@hippyjoe1955 NOW you are asking me about my personal believes? I´ll answer. I believe by faith that not only life but the whole universe comes from God. How? In the way that Science describes it better than creacionist do, includding evolution.
Would you in an act of improbale honesty answer what I´ve asked you about Galileo´s quote?
@ElRengo I am only reflecting what is obvious to everyone on the thread. You have your biases and keep trying to force your silly beliefs on me. I have been around the sun a lot more years than you and have had this discussion with people a lot smarter than you. Not trying to be nasty but you are a flat earther when it comes to science.
@hippyjoe1955 I would not bet on what is obvious to everyone in this thread, not after reading what others are answering to your posts. I´m not forcing you to believe nothing, specially not the "silly" views of scientist.
On "I have been around the sun a lot more years than you". That´s funny as it seems that I´m even a bit older. Also nothing important, but you seem to focus on that kind of trivial arguments.
..."with people a lot smarter than you" Oh, we have a coincidence! I´ve also had talks, interactions, includding academic ones with people a lot smarter than ME! I´ve learned from them.And that´s what makes some difference. Sorry to say you are not one of them.
You may be or not trying to be nasty. It´s not important at all.
