sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@zonavar68 So the industry should operate at a total loss, eh? All gozouta, no gozinta, eh?
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
The reality is that no wants to deal rationally with health insurance. They accept that mandatory auto insurance, and essentially mandatory property insurance, is a way of a) spreading the costs over the largest number of people to reduce the costs to any individual and b) assuring that society -- the rest of us -- are protected from those who attempt to skate through life without taking any responsibility for their own actions. You must have car insurance in case you hit me, so it doesn't drive up my costs. But you can go without health insurance, not seek care because you can't afford it, and spread the disease to me because to do otherwise would be socialism.
They balk at government being in control of health care while, at the same time, yelling "keep government's hand off my Medicare" as if Medicare isn't totally a government system. They balk at single payer systems because they want choice. The Conservative Heritage Foundation came up with the framework of what became the Affordable Care Act, and they have fumed at Obamacare ever since. They want the ability to shop around for the cheapest plan, then complain the cheapest plan doesn't cover anything after the pre-existing conditions, the approval processes, the co-pays, and out of pocket expenses and all they paid for was to be ripped off. But any standardization of minimal benefits is government intrusion and anathema.
And most of all, they don't want to pay taxes for others to receive "free health care". There is no "free health care". The days of altruistic doctors working for free, and nurses being nuns doing it as their religious service, are long gone. And if people can't afford to be seen for regular, low cost, preventive health care services, they are going to walk around getting sicker, infecting others, until they are so sick they go to the public hospital where the "free" care is paid for by --- drum roll, please -- property taxes.
They balk at government being in control of health care while, at the same time, yelling "keep government's hand off my Medicare" as if Medicare isn't totally a government system. They balk at single payer systems because they want choice. The Conservative Heritage Foundation came up with the framework of what became the Affordable Care Act, and they have fumed at Obamacare ever since. They want the ability to shop around for the cheapest plan, then complain the cheapest plan doesn't cover anything after the pre-existing conditions, the approval processes, the co-pays, and out of pocket expenses and all they paid for was to be ripped off. But any standardization of minimal benefits is government intrusion and anathema.
And most of all, they don't want to pay taxes for others to receive "free health care". There is no "free health care". The days of altruistic doctors working for free, and nurses being nuns doing it as their religious service, are long gone. And if people can't afford to be seen for regular, low cost, preventive health care services, they are going to walk around getting sicker, infecting others, until they are so sick they go to the public hospital where the "free" care is paid for by --- drum roll, please -- property taxes.
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues LOL, so you are advocating the takeover of private enterprise by government, eh?
ElwoodBlues · M
@sunsporter1649 You play the ijit so well!! The federal government has been regulating all kinds of businesses for over a century.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues LOL, so the electric company is an independant corporation and is merely regulated by the gubberment, eh?
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
I’m pretty sure we all want healthcare paid for by our taxes
Sadly, I don't think you're right. There are a number of people on SW who get very exercised when the word 'tax' is mentioned which shows that there are very many who are comfortably off and comfortable with other people being very sick for want of financial resource. They don't think ahead to the day when they can't work anymore, or are the unfortunate one to be struck down with an incurable, debilitating condition. Apparently, if you're against shared responsibility for providing healthcare, you can't be subject to the worst things that life can throw at you.
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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@AmericanAvenger Thanks for giving enough to respond. 🙂
oldguy73 · 70-79, M
@PatKirby no, i have excellus blue cross blue shield, but the real reason iy's very good is because i have retirement insurance from my former employer, it's the best around, no restrictions, my employer has changed the benifits, not good now, but for me, it stays the same as 25 yrs ago, i just got lucky
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
Another thing to consider. From its founding the US did it's best when they were not convinced they knew everything like a 14 year old who thinks they have the universe figured out. The US thrived when they could still see that other countries having a good idea and borrowing it was not somehow treasonous.
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@PatKirby A boy triggered by feminine hygiene products talking about wisdom.🤣
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@kodiac Deep red and some of the poorest people in the US. According to you your own neighbors are welfare leeches.
@BohoBabe try telling that to some of the people on here
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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@AthrillatheHunt Certainly in the UK, anyone who buys anything pays tax. Only the very poorest people don't pay the local Council Tax. But they will be people for whom Society has to provide because they do not have the capacity mental or otherwise to provide for themselves. All of course we just let them die in the gutter.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I don't get that.
I mean, I understand that they think that will lead to government sanctioned deaths if the government controls the healthcare. I guess don't be a threat to the government then?
Also, i don't see how that argument stands up since basically, stockholders out for profit are basically doing what they fear tue government is doing, so...why is the government doing it any different? In many ways, people doing it for their own personal financial profit seems so much worse to me. 🤷♀
That is the only argument that I can honestly see because I think everyone would be much happier paying, at most, $30 a paycheck for health coverage than the $125+ they pay now to businesses who have put copays and pit of pocket deductibles, making that money a hell of a lot more.
Not to mention, if the government takes over the healthcare, standardization of cost of care will become the norm instead of trying to "shop around" to find out whose price book is the cheapest. This is health, not construction. We shouldn't have to price compare for that.
But, whatever. People would rather go broke than have price regulation and no out of pocket costs.
I mean, I understand that they think that will lead to government sanctioned deaths if the government controls the healthcare. I guess don't be a threat to the government then?
Also, i don't see how that argument stands up since basically, stockholders out for profit are basically doing what they fear tue government is doing, so...why is the government doing it any different? In many ways, people doing it for their own personal financial profit seems so much worse to me. 🤷♀
That is the only argument that I can honestly see because I think everyone would be much happier paying, at most, $30 a paycheck for health coverage than the $125+ they pay now to businesses who have put copays and pit of pocket deductibles, making that money a hell of a lot more.
Not to mention, if the government takes over the healthcare, standardization of cost of care will become the norm instead of trying to "shop around" to find out whose price book is the cheapest. This is health, not construction. We shouldn't have to price compare for that.
But, whatever. People would rather go broke than have price regulation and no out of pocket costs.
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ShenaniganFoodie · 36-40, M
@meJess It paid for in your tax
helenS · 36-40, F
So it will be free only for tax-payers?
ShenaniganFoodie · 36-40, M
@helenS https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/whats-covered-medicare?context=60092
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
TThe day after I see bernie the red sitting next to me at the clinic I will buy into that bullschiff
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
The problem in general in the US is people want to pay the minimum
So you get the minimum service
So stop complaining
So you get the minimum service
So stop complaining
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl The day after I see bernie the red sitting next to me at the clinic I will buy into that bullschiff
ShenaniganFoodie · 36-40, M