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What is a Classic Liberal?

I don't like calling the Woke Leftists Liberal. I would love to have a classic Liberal in office.

Today, a true classic Liberal, is a Republican. He is for a free market, Free speech,
and limited government. He is also against heavy regulations and more government
control.

If you are a JFK type Liberal, you should be voting for Conservative Republicans.

Today, JFK would be called a far right extremist, by the progressive leftists.
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Northwest · M
Another guy who's been in a coma since 1958. Or it could be (as is often the case with you), regurgitating the latest rant on AM radio.

Here's another hot update: conservative republicans is code for "how to make Trump, his family, the German guy, the South African guy, and the Australian guy" more money
DogMan · 61-69, M
@BohemianBabe Do you hit the bong while watching them? At 65 I still smoke
a little weed. My favorite is catching a buzz and going to the gym. I have been
doing that for over 40 years. 🍻
@DogMan
at what point do you drive billionaires off shore?

Never. Billionaires have been swearing for decades and decades that just one more tax hike, and they're all leaving. They never do.

Which makes sense. We could give billionaires a massive tax hike and they wouldn't even notice. Most of their money just sits in a bank. Plus, when money is redistributed through social programs, the economy does much better, since money is actually getting spent. This means more services for billionaires to enjoy. Socialism really helps everyone, including the rich.

How do we keep, and build, more
manufacturing in the U.S.? I do not think raising taxes alone, will do us any good.

Yeah, it's about what we do with the taxes. Social programs to help people get out of poverty help manufacturing. If the workers have more money, they're less likely to resort to crime, more likely to start a local business.
Northwest · M
@DogMan
Kamala and Biden said anyone making over 400k will get their taxes raised.

I fall into that category. Not by much, but enough. I guess I will probably hand out
even bigger bonuses in order to keep the income down.

Let's see, the up to $578,125 bracket was to 35%
Now the up to $487,450 bracket is 32%

By golly, it is less. What do you know. Not that it matters, but that's not what they said.


Look, I understand big corporations make a lot of money, probably too much.

I would like to see a big Philanthropy program where all the billionaires are on
a list, and have them all compete to see who can do the most. Than have
award shows highlighting their generosity.

That's a wonderful idea. In fact, they have such a thing, a large number, of mostly billionaire who vote Democrat, have pledged all the billions to charity. But that's not really the people we're concerned about.
Harmonium1923 · 51-55, M
Good luck finding a Republican today who believes in free markets, free speech, or free government. They are pitching tariffs, pushing laws that restrict personal choices on healthcare, banning books and restricting curriculum content in schools, and as of a few days ago saying that voting will no longer be necessary. They’re even trying to penalize businesses for making the economic decisions that are necessary to hire employees and win customers. Ask Disney about Ron D.

That may be the historical platform of the Republican Party, but it’s not the case today.
Well first off you have liberals in the Democratic Party at least those that have any say in anything. Even by your own definition.


They are not leftists. But then again you don't know what that means.


The GOP of today is far right. Like Mussolini right.


Liberals also traditionally believe that social ills can all be solved by the free market.


That was the same on both sides till about 10 years ago.


Now the GOP wants government to dictate your religion, your gender, and who you can sleep with or marry.

Oh and force women to have babies, and possibly jail them for having a miscarriage.
4meAndyou · F
All of that is true. My parents were JFK democrats, and they were very conservative. My father was a military man, who later became a civil servant, and then still later became a college professor, and my mother was a farmer's daughter. Both were from Nebraska and they were conservative. My mother used to say, "Always vote Democrat because they support the farmers". But that turned out NOT to be true. BIG AG came in and bought up all the small family farms, and the Democrats did nothing to help.

Their ideals became mine to a certain degree...and you are correct...JFK would be a far right extremist by progressive radical loony left standards.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@4meAndyou My parents were the same way. I grew up in Iowa, to a WWII combat veteran.

They were conservative, but I remember them voting for Democrats too. After they got old
they could no longer vote for Dems.
4meAndyou · F
@DogMan My father was born in Iowa and is buried there. I think our parents were what are called Blue Dog democrats.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
If you look at policy and how it's changed over time in America: the opposite is true.

Nixon would be a liberal by today's standards. America used to have somewhat generous social problems and high taxes in the rich.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MartinII Of course high taxation isn't part of that. I meant that Nixon would be a liberal in the typical American sense of the word.
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Heartlander · 80-89, M
Agree. In classic liberalism the role of the government is to serve the people. In Democrat liberalism, the role of the government is to manage the people.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Heartlander read Project 2025
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@samueltyler2 Haaa, ha freedom of speech grants us the right to call ourselves whatever we wish. Isn’t China the People’s Republic of China? Is it really the People’s? Or is it the Communist Party’s State of China?
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Heartlander does China have freedom of speech. Can you even define what freedom of speech actually is?
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
I love the game of "Pick a beloved historical figure and claim he was on our side and thus we're the best". It's just the emptiest of posturing.

The concept of conservatism did exist in the 1960s and nobody would have called JFK a conservative in that place and time.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
In my view a classic liberal supports an improved standard of living for the poor and working people, supports equality for all, opposed to discrimination and racism, favors protecting the environment, supports protecting the vulnerable from those with wealthy and power.

Gibbon · 70-79, M
@badminton JFK would be rolling in his grave if he could see what his party has become.
Vin53 · M
@Gibbon They put a peg in the hole in his head for that very reason.
Gibbon · 70-79, M
@Vin53 That's just wrong in so many ways 🤪
jackson55 · M
The democrat party of old is long gone. They are progressive socialist now. Marching faster down the road to socialism.
Vin53 · M
DogMan · 61-69, M
@BohemianBabe If you like socialism so much, why don't you take a deep paycut
and tell your boss to give the money to the less fortunate?

Oh right, YOU don't want to help, you want guys like me to do it.

You should move to Venezuela, and achieve your dream. Unfortunately
you won't be able to eat any dogs. They have all been eaten by your fellow
socialists.
@DogMan
Oh right, YOU don't want to help, you want guys like me to do it.

You're not rich. So no, I don't want you to do that.

You should move to Venezuela, and achieve your dream. Unfortunately
you won't be able to eat any dogs. They have all been eaten by your fellow
socialists.

Venezuela was never socialist, and the reason they became a third world country is because of sanctions America put on them.
Last time we had a true liberal.. they shot him…
DogMan · 61-69, M
Economic liberalism refers to the belief in free markets, limited government intervention, and individual economic freedoms. It promotes the idea that individuals should have the freedom to pursue their own economic interests without excessive regulation or control.
MartinII · 70-79, M
Absolutely. I can't speak for the US, but I don't think there is any senior politician in the UK, in any party, who could be described as a classical liberal.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
Well, if you can find me a Conservative Republican, let me know. They certainly arent MAGA, and MAGA is all I have on my ballot.
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Actually a liberal was mostly a person , politician or average person who tried to see the various sides to issues.
DailyFlash · 56-60, M
That's not even close. You described Reagan conservativatism.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@DailyFlash On the contrary, it's spot on. Reagan was indeed a liberal in the classical sense.
@DailyFlash DogMan thinks anyone to the left of Pinochet is a commie pinko.
Jaego · 100+
Do you have any criticisms of people who vote the same way as you?
MarineBob · 56-60, M
@Jaego i do but again i judge everyone
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
I don't like calling the Woke Leftists Liberal.

Well why do you keep doing it then? It makes zero sense in historical or philosophical terms. I suspect the only reason is because the Great Orange Sage decided that Liberal is a perjorative term 🙄
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
I wish the Dems would focus on anti-trust, speaking of being classically liberal.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@samueltyler2 Well it's also just in the political climate and how the laws reinforce that. Mass ownership of everything by a very small number of companies is not in the best interest of the populace but both political parties will double down every time.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@BohemianBabe have you not been paying attention over the past 40-50 years? In the US the Dems seem to have become the ones trying to balance the budget and spread the wealth and pain, the Reps have persistently been the ones playing the train ckle down game, even though they see it never works, except to benefit the richest.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@CountScrofula How Microsoft was not broken up is beyond me.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Nowadays we must vote for the individual
Most Democrats are actual Classical Liberals. But today, when people call themselves a "Classical Liberal," they mean Fascist. Same goes for "Centrists."

I think it's interesting that you referenced JFK. I agree JFK was a real Liberal, but if he was around today, you'd say he's a woke Marxist.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
When an Eisenhower Republican runs for office, you lemme know, k?
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Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@DogMan Why do you think so?
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
That's adorkable.

We'll give you back liberal if you give us back libertarian. How's that?
@basilfawlty89 True! Libertarianism is cultural appropriation and my identity is not a costume!
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