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Thoughts on white people having to pay slavery reparations?

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Yes, they should- it's only fair, and an equalizer
No, that makes no sense and is stupid asf
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Probably gonna delete this post if my notifications are going off for forever. But rn I'm interested and in a drama kinda mood lmao.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Since the black person receiving the funds was never a slave and the white person forced to pay the funds was never a slave owner. That has to be one of the stupidest ideas in a generation or two.
TrashCat · M
@BritishFailedAesthetic Get out of Ireland
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 You don't sleep on a nuclear sub, fly B52s, or use the toilets in the White House but you still have to pay for them.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes I live and pay taxes in Canada. Other than that your response has no relevance to the discussion at hand. I am not surprised at your off topic comment. You really aren't all that bright.
BlueVeins · 22-25
First of all, I'm going to steelman this by assuming you meant, "Should the government pay slavery reparations to descendants of slaves." The idea of all white people paying is broadly incoherent, because not all white people's ancestors perpetrated slavery, and also you can't inherit debt from your ancestors. The government, however, did perpetrate slavery, and has continuously existed from the Civil War to the 21st century.

There are two dominating perspectives on this and both of them are brain damaged. The first perspective is that no descendants of slaves should receive any money because they, themselves were never treated unfairly, and that the crime of slavery essentially died with its victims over the years. This perspective is flawed because it ignores the existence of generational wealth.

If a person's parents are wealthier, then those parents are more likely to buy a good education and a stable and healthy environment for their child's development, as well as things like high-end clothing and transportation which are important for getting a good job. In addition, when those parents die, they will pass on their remaining wealth as inheritance. All of this means that parents of rich kids are more likely to be rich themselves. Slaves were dirt poor at the time of their liberation, so generational wealth has worked against those people and their kin, all the way to the current day. It is preposterous to ignore the fact that slavery hurts contemporary black descendants of slaves in this way.

The second dominating perspective is that descendants of slaves should be given either a lump sum payment or an annuity to make up for this generational wealth divide. This idea is brain-damaged because it legitimizes the institution of generational wealth, itself. Black people have definitely gotten the short end of the stick here on average, but obviously, wealth varies more within a race than between races (i.e. difference between the richest white person & poorest white person is greater than the difference between the average black person & the average white person).

Imagine three children -- one is the child of an impoverished former slave, one is the child of an impoverished gambling addict, and one is the child of a wealthy doctor. Obviously among the three parents of the kids, the first is clearly the most mistreated by society. But is the second child any more deserving of his plight than the first child just because his parent was dumb? He didn't do anything to deserve it, himself. Clearly, the most fair situation would for the two impoverished children to both be uplifted... and perhaps, the third child to give up some of his advantage over the other two.

Moreover, the idea of simply giving people money to fix the gap really underestimates the scope of the problem. White people own the vast majority of stocks, wildly disproportionate to their population size, hiring decisions in businesses overwhelmingly favor white people over black people, and majority-black areas suffer chronic underinvestment and inadequate government representation. Black people are also less likely to have a higher education, and are less likely to own a home than white people. If you give black people a lump sum of cash without first fixing the systemically racist social systems we live under, they'll be forced to spend it on consumer goods, in turn transferring the wealth the government just handed them back to white people. Within a few decades, the world goes back to normal, with a "lucky" generation having gotten the social equivalent of a lottery win. Also, any black person who wasn't a former slave will totally get the shaft because their ancestors will have also lost wealth as a consequence of things like redlining and Jim Crow.

If we want to fix the scars that slavery & other policies have left on our country, we need a more transformative, and frankly, less Liberal solution. We need to roll back all these exclusionary housing rules that are driving up rents in the inner cities, route more government money into majority black areas, change our electoral system to give black people more of a voice (D.C. statehood would help with this a lot), set stricter standards for police use of force, open up the process for class action lawsuits on employment discrimination, and so, so much more.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
That epic passage likely went straight over his racist head. @Diotrephes
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Harmonium1923 · 51-55, M
@BlueVeins In response to your original comment, it is a welcome relief to read some intelligent discussion in this topic.
Absolutely not. It's an ignorant idea pushed by black people and liberals.

Slavery and racism ended in the 1800's. They need to get to work and stop acting like a victim
@jackjjackson I am not surprised that dedicated racists fled the United States in 1865.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
The article I read said it was around 200 of them. @CorvusBlackthorne
@jackjjackson I am only surprised it was not more.
Doomflower · 36-40, M
Some hippies and stargazers don't understand that the effects of slavery persist generations later.

Think of two families, one black and one white. Both families came to the USA when it was still colonies. The black family was enslaved and the white one was poor.

The white family today lives in a house in a modest suburb but the black family lives in a poor one with lots of crime. Why is that? What does that have to do with slavery!?

The black family was owned and worked for generations and received zero compensation. They had no opportunities to build wealth until *checks notes* 155 years ago. Even after that point, we have video of black people trying to go to school with white kids and white people losing their fvcking minds. So you know every opportunity they got they had to fight for.

Then there are the psycho social effects of generations of trauma up to and including alterations to the genome.

Meanwhile the white family had a two hundred year head start. I'm not saying it was easy but they had objectively fewer challenges than the black family. There weren't institutional barriers against them the way there were against black people.

So it makes sense to give people of color assistance to cover the gaps. Those gaps will exist until we heal the damage caused by generations of trauma and that will take consistency and time.

But that all requires more subtlety and effort than "well slavery is over so... good job, discrimination ended! Let's never speak of this again!"
@Doomflower this person has blocked me.... obviously knows i would necer agree with them 🤣
@Doomflower Most sensible and to-the-point answer….couldn’t have said it better.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@InOtterWords
that is such a well written answer.

I would love to know who down voted it

The Russian agent?
specman · 51-55, M
Black slaves that were freed had the chance to leave country. Paid for by the US. They would be taken to Liberia a country in Africa that was founded by freed US slaves. Obviously some left. I’m not agreeing with what the oppressors did to them, however the freed slaves faced being oppressed by choice. They could have left the country paid for by the US to a country free of oppression instead some stayed by voluntary means.
You can look up Liberia on wiki to get the story.
It’s really unbelievable! I would have left the Us!

So I would have to decline payment for that reason.
@specman Once more, I will reiterate that you justified their ill treatment in the United States by saying over and over that they made the choice to remain in the United States.

I am not implying that you are racist. Your own words are.
specman · 51-55, M
@CorvusBlackthorne I refuse to acknowledge such claims that you are implying. Yes they had a choice. You know if you don’t realize that you face the consequences of your decisions. You aren’t very smart. Whether you deserve them or not. I’m through discussing this with you. Especially since you haven’t a clue.
@specman
I refuse to acknowledge such claims that you are implying.
Very well. Continue to remain in denial if you wish.
Yes they had a choice. You know if you don’t realize that you face the consequences of your decisions.
So you say they brought the ill treatment on themselves, yet you also say they did not deserve it.
I’m through discussing this with you.
Yes, now that I have you backed into a corner.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
Considering how many Whites immigrated to the USA after the Civil War was over and how many Blacks did as well it doesn’t make any sense at all. How do you sort that out? And how many Blacks have some White ancestry and how many Whites have some Black African ancestry? Not everything is black & white, many shades of gray. And no one alive today was a slave.
popmol · 26-30, M
its stupid. slaves are long gone (not everywhere of course)
also slaves weren't owned by "white people" they were owned by "rich people" who were "white" in america.
theres "black" people holding slaves
theres "asians" people holding slaves!
every colour/ race has held slaves during the history of man.

in america theres just systemic problems. like how poor areas are often where black people appear is most likely because even when they got freed from slaves they were still poor, but paying reparations is dumb, fix the country itself so everyone can be happy.

i mean theres places in america that are a 100 times worse than the poorest most horrible place in third world countries!
and its even worse because you are supposed to live in the richest country!

you need to fix issues like led poisoning, gun reform, the amount of psychopaths running around, terrible government. peoples mentality. religious zealots.
black people who might have some ancestor who was a slave and giving them some petty cash is not helping.
popmol · 26-30, M
@basilfawlty89 its not racist as i never specified that "black people" would have the issue and no other "colour", i'd definitely become lazy!
1. we would give it to "black people". just give. healthcare is paid with taxes.
2. healthcare is only given if needed. you know in healthcare situation.
3. education also paid from taxes.
also both are not enough and we still pay. this also depends on the country.
also healthcare and education and other things don't involve all necessities!

but just giving people because they are "black".
what about those who came later? they won't.
so its only "black people" with slave ancestors?

also making others better than others won't fix something better from the past.
so you would need to decide which of the "black people" with ancestors in slavery thats are currently in trouble,
you'd have to find the ones in trouble currently that are only in trouble because of their situation due to the ancestors slavery.

but who'll decide that and the vague things.
instead of you know putting the money into an already broken country with broken systems?

i mean wasn't the black live matter leader buying a whole mansion with the money they gained? why!?
it was supposed to help "black people" not one "black person" get a mansion! with that money she could feed a whole town for a while!

so instead of wasting time on this question and fix problems in a broken place and system, fix the broken place!
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@popmol People need to stop paying the Jews for what happened in WWII. Why are they worthy of getting paid for their inconvenience but no one else is?
popmol · 26-30, M
@Diotrephes because gays and the mentally feeble aren't really one big group, the war was less than a 100 years ago.
i think it might soon stop in modern times but once we reach 100 years seems fine!
Scribbles · 36-40, F
I think it is in the best interests of all of humanity to raise each other up. Full stop.

History has shown us what happens when we don't raise each other up, but tear, isolate, or push each other down instead.
:(

This happens in every country. It's a global issue.

It's a fool who doesn't see the need to understand history or the causes of unequal treatment, discrimination, oppression, disparities and biases or a need to be sensitive to it, or make changes to create a better society.

Standing up for each other in everyday life and listening to what is going on in different communities is a good start, if you do not have an opinion regarding equality, politics or socioeconomics.

A good reparation is one that raises all of humanity up in my opinion. We should all be invested in one other's prosperity. We should ALL have long-term goals, not just short-term financial, political, social, public health, equality, environmental, and economic goals, etc.
I'm including all that, because most people have differing ideas of what issue is most important to them.

There are alot of Americans (USA) chiming in so I want to say that when it comes to America...I'm not saying we need to suddenly adopt all the social safety nets, hate crime laws, tax systems, and healthcare system, environmental policies, worker rights, reparations, etc, and capitalism structure and society that exists in Canada, Japan, or Europe, or Germany or all kinds of different countries may or may not be doing (Though I admire lots of different things that different countries are doing or have done and think some things would benefit America because the issue has been solved elsewhere) because:

I don't think Republicans at least will accept doing anything like anybody else does. They are too "nationalist" for that. Plus every society has unique problems within their own system, and we would still need to sort out and fix those problems. And like it or not, I and many others have to accept that republicans make up a significant part of society and they aren't going to go away or listen up to others. So maybe a little American inovation needs to figure out how to evaluate American "low road" and brutalistic capitalism and social care as a country and tweak things so as to actually solve the problems we face...rather then endless protests with little change and lots of misinformation. We do need to find our way and face our unique challenges and problems.

What that will end up looking like or being, I have no idea. It's a bit worrisome.

To me, reparations in ANY country probably means investing in neighborhoods and people that need it. It means investing in programs that actually serve communities and fill needs, and help prevent crime. It means making opportunities, housing, education, safety, healthy food, employment and healthcare attainable universally.
Making sure companies abide by environmental policies and don't poison neighborhoods and water sources for example. Thinking long-term about green policies. Figure out a way to give all neighborhoods the power, capital, and accountability to do neccesary things like fix lead pipes, have healthy food, safe neighborhoods, create a new clinic, school, create positive policy changes, create meaningful businesses and jobs that serve the community and society and not just make the rich richer...etc. Because politicians often act more like a greedy and corrupt board of directors who abuse others for their gain.

Figure out a way to make sure there are resources and services available for all communities at the highest possible quality, and a cost that creates prosperity for CEO's, shareholders, workers, and communities. And not just the group who happens to hold the most power. Make sure that diversity is respected instead of rejected and discriminated against and oppressed. This should be common for all races, genders, cultural background, religious, or nonreligious, and for citizens or immigrants.

Idk. Just what I first thought, when I saw this post.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Diotrephes For some reasons or other, Lincoln's Emancipation didn't include slaves in quite a few places.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Heartlander
For some reasons or other, Lincoln's Emancipation didn't include slaves in quite a few places.
That is because Lincoln had zero interest in flooding the country with freed slaves. He was solely interested in keeping the country united. If he had lived he would have pushed for the complete deportation of Blacks from America. The country is multi-racial because he was murdered.
Neoerectus · M
@LeeInTheNorthWoods Elon took over Tesla from the original founders. He is not a genius, but a huckster salesman.
redredred · M
So what happens when the next generation of African Americans want their reparations? And the generation after that?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@redredred YOU'RE PROBABLY A FUCKING GROOMER YOURSELF, JUST PROJECTING YOUR OWN PEDOPHILIC TENDENCIES! YOU KNOW WHAT WE DID TO PEDOS LIKE YOU IN PRISON?
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@redredred Whatever, you pitiful projecting pedophile. Your secret is out.
CaseyHill · 18-21, F
Why do people think that only black people were used as slaves? Barbary pirates would raid coastal European towns to kidnap white townsfolk for slavery. There's never any talk of seeking reparations for that.

The transatlantic slave trade was made possible by African tribes selling members of other tribes that( they had captured to use as slaves themselves) to the European traders. There's never any talk of reparations from them.

In ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, China, Gaul, and pretty much any society, the powerful have made slaves of people, no matter their colour. Again, there is never talk of reparations there.

And it's rather depressing that no one ever talks about how the British royal navy was instrumental in ending the transatlantic slave trade, or how the UK spent £20 million in 1833 (40% of national budget) to do so, after making it illegal for any British person to partake in owning or trading slaves in 1807 (yes, it took 26 years to do it, but no government seems to do anything quickly)... and yet never sought reparations for that.
@CaseyHill The history of slavery in the world goes back thousands of years. Every race/ethnicity has been enslaved at some point.
tindrummer · M
the transparency of all the racists here claiming it doesn't exist is reprehensible - choosing to ignore it is exactly that - a choice
tindrummer · M
@tindrummer That explains alot.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@tindrummer yes race baiter?
Reparations are nothing more than a leftwing agenda to literally buy votes.
Neoerectus · M
Virtually every ethnic group on the planet has had slaves and abused other people.

Will whites and blacks pay reparation to Native Americans?. Indentured Irish, Scots, Poles, etc. were abused. Blacks owned Blacks. Whites owned whites. Chinese-Mongols took each other. Native Americans took other Native Americans.
@LordShadowfire I see @Neoerectus has given up on countering real arguments.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@Neoerectus You're 100% correct in what you have stated here.

The problem is that the entire Left refuses to believe this one fact. Because it goes against the black victim narrative that they have been putting out for least the past 50 years or so.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Neoerectus Stop whining about reparations for slavery. The reparations are for 158 years of on-going Jim Crow discrimination that has deprived Black American citizens of equal rights in all spheres of society.

Did you whine about Blacks getting into various universities? Did your parents protest school integration?
bugeye · 26-30, F
Im against it. First of all nobody elses bad deeds should be held against you. Just because your great great grandparents might have had slaves doesnt mean you should pay for it. Vice versa if ever i wrong someone its up to me to make it up to that person. Not their distant relatives.

Second its been known to backfire when a black decendant of a slave owner has to pay back a white decendant of a slave. This really messes up some sjw's who forget interacial couples exist.

Third and finally its difficult to move forward as a society when were to busy dwelling in the past. Make the future better.
Ynotisay · M
@Graylight In that example, the oil barons and developers won the battle. Just like homo sapiens beat Neanderthals. Life is fluid. Laws change. People move forward. Right NOW there's issues on the table that could greatly impact people. Reparations would serve no practical purpose. The wealth gap would continue. Services would continue to falter. Opportunities won't magically come in to play. Investments and legal actions NOW would make a difference. So it comes down to living in the past or the future.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Ynotisay I'd leave that to practiced experts to decide. Not popular opinion.
Ynotisay · M
@Graylight Right. Which is why reparations haven't taken place. And won't in a way where money goes to individuals. At least on a federal level. Won't happen. Because it's counter-productive.
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
People should be more concerned with current events.
Child trafficking, sexual abuse and human trafficking.
200? children - teen girls - were kidnapped in Nigeria a few years ago by rebels and kept as wives....12, 13, 14 year old girls.

Girls and boys being promised for marriage to other families when they are still children.

Young girls and women are kidnapped by Isis and the Taliban to be wives and temporary girlfriends.

Women and children are trafficked in the U.S. and other nations for prostitution and child labor.

Women that can't leave the house without a male escort.

That should be the focus, not something that happened 158 years ago.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@DallasCowboysFan that would actually help people, rather than divide the nation down the lines of immutable characteristics.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@DallasCowboysFan yes and it’s another distraction to keep the focus off of what is happening now…look back to 200 years ago instead of focusing on the present.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
I don't see why only white people should have to pay reparations. Their were many black slave owners and black slave sellers.
Selling people into slavery still goes on today in huge numbers. It's a horrendous practice.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@Entwistle and that includes sex trafficking and pimping of people doesn’t it? Horrible.
wonkywinky · 51-55, M
So,slavery in most of the western world has been gone since at least 1865 if not before.So everyone involved is now dead.So why should i be expected to pay anyone,who might have been a slave,but is now equally dead anyway anything?Makes no reasonable sense.
Should the Govt of Norway compensate the UK for the Viking raids in the 8th and 9th centuries?
Graylight · 51-55, F
@MsSwan That's called willful ignorance. Sorry if it stings.
@Graylight 🤣 You're a tool.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@MsSwan 🪓
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Practically every US citizen who is 3rd or 4th+ generation American can point to ancestors who were screwed over or cheated out of their land or possessions or even their lives in one way or another. Practically everyone on earth can look back and point to misery inflicted on their ancestors. One of the great beauties of America is that every generation has a better chance to overcome the misery inflicted than the previous generation.

Humankind is an evolving species, and I can't think of a place on earth that has evolved better than the good old USA.
@Heartlander I can...
Heartlander · 80-89, M
What about Black ancestors that owned slaves? Would they have to pay or would they receive?
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@Heartlander that's an "inconvenient fact" that the history books like to overlook; Anthony Johnson, a black man from Iberia and former slave himself, was actually one of the earliest as well as the largest slaveowners in colonial America (he even had white slaves/servants)
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
Antoine Dubuclet was one of the wealthiest free black slave owners prior to the civil war, he owned 70 slaves; He also married a wealthy black slaveowner, Claire Pollard, who owned 44 slaves. His family were among the largest sugar plantation owners at the time, and the richest in Louisiana, the civil war destroyed his business (as well as most other sugar plantations). In 1990, Dubuclet was inducted into the Louisiana Black History Hall of Fame, he even has a statue/memorial

One of South Carolina’s most prominent black slaveowners was William Ellison Jr., a cotton gin maker and blacksmith who supported the Confederacy with sizeable donations and even had a grandson join the Confederate Army. In 1860, he was the largest slaveowner in the state, and owned more than 1,000 aces of land

(More than 3,000 freed blacks served in Confederate Army)

In South Carolina during the 1830s there were nearly 4,000 black slave owners.
@Heartlander I do not think you fully understand. It is not your fault, as the post is a straw man representation of what is really going on. Reparation does not involve "white people giving handouts to black people", as the racists on this website claim. It would involve the government using everyone's tax dollars to make reparations to the descendants of freed slaves.
Magenta · F
NO. Utterly ridiculous notion. Goes along with the current mentality of "Life owes me"... "Victimhood".
If everyone had to pay for the sins of the fathers, we'd all be penniless.
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
If we have to pay blacks for slavery 200 odd years ago then in the same vein and thinking the germans need to pay all those countries whos people they murdered in their death camps during the second world war .
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@Rhode57 Gwrmany and Japan have paid reparations. Does that change your opinion?
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Rhode57 and the polish who slaughtered ethnic German minorities should pay reparations, too
Jaego · 100+
Do whites get money from the Ottomans estimated 1.5 million European slaves?

There has to be a point where people have to accept the past was shit and wrong, and we all move forward together. Or there is no progress.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Jaego
Do whites get money from the Ottomans estimated 1.5 million European slaves?

There has to be a point where people have to accept the past was shit and wrong, and we all move forward together. Or there is no progress.

If that is true then why are Jews getting money from the Germans (and everyone else) for what happened during WWII?

And why haven't Whites asked for money from the Ottomans, are they bashful?
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Jaego That's good to hear, because nothing's more disheartening to think than that we're acting just like everyone else right now.
Do whites get money from the Ottomans estimated 1.5 million European slaves?
@Jaego


I would have thought the answer to that is pretty obvious. Americans live in the USA not the former Ottoman Empire.

Also it is about lasting current events, not just ancient history like a certain segment seems determine to pretend it is.

Find me an example of white Europeans being red lined in the Balkans. Good luck with that.

I don't know of Albanian farmers that need to keep a friend on hand of a different race to sell their product for them so they don't get screwed.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
Well, here's the problem.
I've got verifiable proof from the Colonial Williamsburg Archives in Williamsburg, Virginia USA, that my earliest ancestor arrived on the day of May 09, 1610 in James Town, Virginia as personal property of an English Lord. My ancestor was from the Ulster Area of Ireland.
So, since I am descended from a Slave, then I should get money too.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@dakotaviper If that's what you think, then start a movement to get it.

The Irish didn't become Whites until they flooded America and undercut the free Blacks around the Civil War era. They then became Slave Patrollers and gained political power as a result.
Anyone whose family has lived in America for generations is part black so that makes no sense. I am mostly Polish and English so who is going to pay me for what my people went through?
@Graylight i am done with this conversation. No one gets reparations anyway
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Graylight you do well for once
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Irish so ready for my reparations
@MasterLee 🤣🤣🤣
This is like paying for someone else's debt. First off........who gets paid? During the 1800's we used Chinese as slaves to build our railroads. Do we pay every Chinese person too? The Irish basically was slave labor in the iron industry........mining. Do we pay them? And just because one is black does not mean they had slave ancestors. How many of color immigrated here long after slavery was over? The fair way to do this is line up all CURRENT slaves and CURRENT slave owners...and then make the CURRENT slave owners pay their CURRENT slaves damages. Otherwise this is like paying a bill for what someone else bought a100 years ago.
@MaBalzEsHari OMG! can you imagine having to pay every Chinese person? there would be nothing left
@DIABLISS I can't imagine paying anyone anything. I can however imagine how a lot of people are behind this to get a free payday for themselves for nothing..
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
That is a double edged sword.
If that happens and it never will, maybe the descendants of Civil War veterans that suffered and died freeing them can sue the black population for pain and suffering.

But it will never happen. The only reason this idea gets rehashed is because liberal politicians are catering to the low IQ, low class people that would theoretically benefit. And the low IQ people that believe this will happen are the same ones that think other people are the source of their failures in life and not themselves.
@LordShadowfire Paging Dr. Dunning, Dr. Kruger, your next patient is ready.
@DallasCowboysFan Oh look. We found someone who thinks The Bell Curve is a serious piece of academic work.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@DallasCowboysFan You would be lucky if you could have found 24 White Union soldiers who willingly died freeing slaves in the Civil War. The Union army threw escaping slaves into concentration camps, where tens of thousands of them died.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Under Communism, everyone but the party leaders are slaves, and are entitled to compensation from the government. The reparation movement is but a part of incremental communism by proxy.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@Heartlander no. Also communism refers to a stateless, classless society post scarcity without monetary exchange.

You're thinking of state socialism/state capitalism.
redredred · M
I want $500,000 for being dipped in maple syrup and thrown from the third floor. It didn’t happen to me and you didn’t do it but…
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@redredred pootin does thing like that, so ask him for the money. You won't get it of course but you will get dipped in maple syrup and thrown from the third floor, if not from a higher one.
redredred · M
@Diotrephes Write again when you’re sober. It’s not clear how Putin got into a discussion about reparations.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
I guess some people don't realize how many other people have owned slaves throughout recorded history. In relatively recent times white people have freed the slaves. Where is our reward for that!
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Nitedoc You literally said black people are violent because of genetics, Klan boy.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@LordShadowfire That's just one possible reason I proposed. It could be from other factors too. But the fact remains. You know it does it's just that you can't stand to admit it!
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Nitedoc Okay, look. You have to know you’re in the minority here. I encourage you to stand up for your beliefs, but make sure you’ve done a thorough accounting of those beliefs.

You sound as if you have what you think are legitimate reasons for your stance. I – and many here, from the sound of it – disagree with them. But if you’d be interested in truly discussing them and opening yourself up to new perspective simply to consider, you can do so at any time via PM.

We are the bad guys in this story, friend. I wish it weren’t true; I’m not proud. Nor am I personally guilty, but it benefits everyone to understand their origins and plan the best road into the future.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Since the conservatives were against slavery of course they would be exempt
@BritishFailedAesthetic what? He waged war against the south

And liberals today carry on his legacy of wanting to erase confederate flags and monuments and history

Don't be ignorant
@Stargazer89 I mean... I'm sure you're opposed to slavery at the very least???
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Stargazer89 Oh my god I love you, thank you so so much. ❤️
Graylight · 51-55, F
Today, the average white family has roughly 10 times the amount of wealth as the average Black family. White college graduates have over seven times more wealth than Black college graduates.

Native Americans have received land and billions of dollars for various benefits and programs for being forcibly exiled from their native lands. For Japanese Americans, $1.5 billion was paid to those who were interned during World War II. Additionally, the United States, via the Marshall Plan, helped to ensure that Jews received reparations for the Holocaust, including making various investments over time. In 1952, West Germany agreed to pay 3.45 billion Deutsche Marks to Holocaust survivors.

Black Americans are the only group that has not received reparations for state-sanctioned racial discrimination, while slavery afforded some white families the ability to accrue tremendous wealth. And, we must note that American slavery was particularly brutal.

Had the original contract with emancipated slaves been honored, this conversation wouldn’t exist today. But it wasn’t. No land, no mule, and land reverted back to slave owners. No one is saying hand over cash to black people. What is being weighed is the creation and fostering of programs meant to close the gap between the races. Never before has this been seen as a moral struggle or ‘entitlement,’ which should promote us all the more to look at why reparations haven’t been offered up ‘til now.

(stat source: brookings)
FragileHeart · 22-25, M
I'm in favor of reparations but not in direct cash pay out but in funding black neighborhoods. Systemic change to make up for the lack of generational wealth.
FragileHeart · 22-25, M
@MarineBob speaking about majorities here. You can still see that lack of generational wealth affects people of color.
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
@FragileHeart send me my slave, i will put him to work
FragileHeart · 22-25, M
@Patriot96 looking at your profile picture you are already a slave yourself. A slave to your nation that you have done nothing of value for.
robb65 · 56-60, M
I'm white and as far back as anyone can remember my ancestors were white but apparently there's Sub Saharan DNA on one side of the family (and north African on the other). There's a good probability my GG grandfather on my father's side was a good bit darker complected than I am and I'm reasonably sure that side of the family never owned slaves. So how would this work? Would someone have to prove they are descendants of slaves to collect or is simply being black proof enough? How about whites whose ancestors arrived after the civil war? How about people who identify as white but who have ancestors who were slaves and people who identify as black but who are descendants of slave owners?
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
I dont think they should . Look at it this way , if slavery had not happened and the white man had not gone to these countries then they would still be in africa or where ever they came from living the life they had before the white man . Killing each other in tribal war fare dieng early because there would be no modern medicine etc . They should think twice before screaming and yelling how hard done by they are . They would all still be uneducated savages living the way they did 200 years or so ago . Their only where they are today alot of the time because their relatives were brought to the white mans land 200 years ago . So slavery has been a positive thing for them and their is no one alive now that was born into or had any connection to slavery . I am so sick of listening to all these losers who have no one to blame but themselves for their life . You dont hear well educated blacks or those who have made something of their life and are comfortably off moaning . No its only those that feel the world owes them a living because their to lazy to sort their own lives out or are down on their luck or not well off and just jelous of those that have made it . Makes me sick , you would think they are the only ones struggling their not . Instead of moaning like spoilt brats they should get off their ass and make something of their lives and stop expecting everyone to do it for them .
Slade · 56-60, M
@Rhode57 True. The entire continent of Africa is a giant piece of shit. If they weren't brought here they'd still be cannibalizing each other like they were for millenia.

How could anyone possibly complain about being brought from Africa to America?

The only reparations should be paid by Africans to America!

We'll start with the cost if the voyage. Plus 160 years compound interest!
QueenOfZaun · 26-30, F
I have never had a problem with the idea of reparations for slavery and Native American.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@QueenOfZaun efxaristo! I think the Turks should pay reparation to Greeks and Cypriots. They should recognise the Genocides and pay reparations to the Ottoman Christian minorities.
QueenOfZaun · 26-30, F
@basilfawlty89 I am Greek and I agree. I am also Romani and thus the Romani side of my family was also a victim of genocide
Slade · 56-60, M
@QueenOfZaun

I have never had a problem with the idea of reparations for slavery and Native American.

Oh goody! Now I can get to sleep tonight
Dolimyte · 41-45, M
Generational poverty rooted in slavery is definitely an issue that needs correction, but saying "white people need to pay reparations" is overly simplistic and completely impractical.
I dont agree with reparations. what I think should happen is universal healthcare and education.
Dolimyte · 41-45, M
@Ozymandiaz that's a good start. I think universal basic income should be a goal as well.
@Ozymandiaz that's socialism. NO
@Stargazer89 It would help people with special needs. You should be grateful.
They can’t promise student dept relief 2x times and expect the plantation to believe them..
hmm.. what other carrot can we dangle for votes… but never deliver
The entire working-class has been dicked over by Capitalism. It doesn't make any sense to single out certain people for help based on race. Reparations should be about class. And it shouldn't be a one time payment, it should be an actual reparation of society.
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
@BohemianBabe I pay reparations every time I buy something and pay my taxes in April.
@DallasCowboysFan That's not what I heard...
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@BohemianBabe no they havent
RuyLopez · 56-60, M
I'm all for it but only if the Sumerians go first. Seems only fair.
RuyLopez · 56-60, M
@Graylight You're still here. I thought I said bye Felicia. Bye Felicia.
Graylight · 51-55, F
RuyLopez · 56-60, M
@Graylight 😉
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
If that happens then white people need reparations for being "held back" due to affirmative action.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
100% no. But if it happens it should be paid by the ones who sold the slaves.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
How will they prove who owned slaves?
@MasterLee if you're white enough, you're guilty
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@BizSuitStacy nah there better be more
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
Well i know i had ancestors that fought for the freedom of the slaves
I think it could make sense as part of a series of programs and plans to correct injustices.

But it doesn't make sense as just cutting a check.

It is unfortunately a very "rich white guy" idea that you can just throw money at a systemic issue and claim you solved it.
Slade · 56-60, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow How about if it's a very rich negroe. Or a very rich Chinaman?
Entwistle · 56-60, M
Should anyone who inherited a big plantation house,or land be allowed to keep it then? Should a person be allowed to keep a house their great great great grandfather had built of off money he earned through slavery?
Morrowind · 26-30, M
I mean I can’t even afford shit, struggle to get employment so just because I’m white doesn’t mean I’m wealthy. I couldn’t afford to pay those fees even if it wasnt dumb as shit
Chickie · F
@Morrowind the point is that you will have a higher advantage than the average black person.
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
When the White fellas first came to Australia. They bargain with the Aborigines promising in a written legal document a percentage of goods and stock grown on the land as recompense. For the white fellas inhabiting it.
What followed was a bad bit of history no white fellas want to believe or convinced themselves it happened so long ago its not their problem. Even though some of this history wasn't all that long ago and the youngest of the 'the stolen Generation' are in their 50's.
There was a push to get the original Promise of Goods and Stock to be honoured. But last I heard that was back in the early 2000's and fuck all came of it.
DragonFruit · 61-69, M
It would be a government reparation, but the problem with the idea is that verification is difficult to impossible since slavery was abolished over 160 years ago. Not all Black Americans had relatives who were slaves and trying to figure out how much to pay to whom would be a logistical nightmare.
As with Native Americans, the government should acknowledge that their predecessors were wronged by the government and make every effort to avoid further discrimination, but the payment of reparations would create a lot of problems in the effort to atone for past wrongs.

 
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