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Thoughts on white people having to pay slavery reparations?

Poll - Total Votes: 85
Yes, they should- it's only fair, and an equalizer
No, that makes no sense and is stupid asf
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Probably gonna delete this post if my notifications are going off for forever. But rn I'm interested and in a drama kinda mood lmao.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Since the black person receiving the funds was never a slave and the white person forced to pay the funds was never a slave owner. That has to be one of the stupidest ideas in a generation or two.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Stargazer89 You have never heard about Jim Crow? Which galaxy do you live in?
DrPhibes · M
@BritishNRASupporter Get out of Ireland
BlueVeins · 22-25
First of all, I'm going to steelman this by assuming you meant, "Should the [i]government[/i] pay slavery reparations to descendants of slaves." The idea of all white people paying is broadly incoherent, because not all white people's ancestors perpetrated slavery, and also you can't inherit debt from your ancestors. The government, however, did perpetrate slavery, and has continuously existed from the Civil War to the 21st century.

There are two dominating perspectives on this and both of them are brain damaged. The first perspective is that no descendants of slaves should receive any money because they, themselves were never treated unfairly, and that the crime of slavery essentially died with its victims over the years. This perspective is flawed because it ignores the existence of generational wealth.

If a person's parents are wealthier, then those parents are more likely to buy a good education and a stable and healthy environment for their child's development, as well as things like high-end clothing and transportation which are important for getting a good job. In addition, when those parents die, they will pass on their remaining wealth as inheritance. All of this means that parents of rich kids are more likely to be rich themselves. Slaves were dirt poor at the time of their liberation, so generational wealth has worked against those people and their kin, all the way to the current day. It is preposterous to ignore the fact that slavery hurts contemporary black descendants of slaves in this way.

The second dominating perspective is that descendants of slaves should be given either a lump sum payment or an annuity to make up for this generational wealth divide. This idea is brain-damaged because it legitimizes the institution of generational wealth, itself. Black people have definitely gotten the short end of the stick here on average, but obviously, wealth varies more within a race than between races (i.e. difference between the richest white person & poorest white person is greater than the difference between the average black person & the average white person).

Imagine three children -- one is the child of an impoverished former slave, one is the child of an impoverished gambling addict, and one is the child of a wealthy doctor. Obviously among the three parents of the kids, the first is clearly the most mistreated by society. But is the second child any more deserving of his plight than the first child just because his parent was dumb? He didn't do anything to deserve it, himself. Clearly, the most fair situation would for the two impoverished children to both be uplifted... and perhaps, the third child to give up some of his advantage over the other two.

Moreover, the idea of simply giving people money to fix the gap really underestimates the scope of the problem. White people own the vast majority of stocks, [i]wildly[/i] disproportionate to their population size, hiring decisions in businesses overwhelmingly favor white people over black people, and majority-black areas suffer chronic underinvestment and inadequate government representation. Black people are also less likely to have a higher education, and are less likely to own a home than white people. If you give black people a lump sum of cash without first fixing the systemically racist social systems we live under, they'll be forced to spend it on consumer goods, in turn transferring the wealth the government just handed them back to white people. Within a few decades, the world goes back to normal, with a "lucky" generation having gotten the social equivalent of a lottery win. Also, any black person who wasn't a former slave will totally get the shaft because their ancestors will have also lost wealth as a consequence of things like redlining and Jim Crow.

If we want to fix the scars that slavery & other policies have left on our country, we need a more transformative, and frankly, less Liberal solution. We need to roll back all these exclusionary housing rules that are driving up rents in the inner cities, route more government money into majority black areas, change our electoral system to give black people more of a voice (D.C. statehood would help with this a lot), set stricter standards for police use of force, open up the process for class action lawsuits on employment discrimination, and so, so much more.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire [quote]Every single time I point out racist behavior in another user, there you are, accusing me of being the fucking racist. How the fuck am I racist for pointing out other people's racism?[/quote]

Remember Paul's whine in Roman's 1:28-32 (VOICE) =
"28 Since they had no mind to recognize God, He turned them loose to follow the unseemly designs of their depraved minds and to do things that should not be done. 29 Their days are filled with all sorts of godless living, wicked schemes, greed, hatred, endless desire for more, murder, violence, deceit, and spitefulness. And, as if that were not enough, they are gossiping, 30 slanderous, God-hating, rude, egotistical, smug people who are always coming up with even more dreadful ways to treat one another. They don’t listen to their parents; 31 they lack understanding and character. They are simple-minded, covenant-breaking, heartless, and unmerciful; they are not to be trusted. 32 Despite the fact that they are fully aware that God’s law says this way of life deserves death, they fail to stop. And worse—they applaud others on this destructive path."

Notice how Paul accuses other people of the very behavior that he is displaying toward them. He thinks that he, himself, is perfect and without fault and therefore capable of judging everyone's behavior.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
That epic passage likely went straight over his racist head. @Diotrephes
Absolutely not. It's an ignorant idea pushed by black people and liberals.

Slavery and racism ended in the 1800's. They need to get to work and stop acting like a victim
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
I’m simply curious to read what they will white 😳 @Stargazer89
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
I didn’t know you have N ISSUE WITH FARMERS TOO/. What with that? @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Doomflower · M
Some hippies and stargazers don't understand that the effects of slavery persist generations later.

Think of two families, one black and one white. Both families came to the USA when it was still colonies. The black family was enslaved and the white one was poor.

The white family today lives in a house in a modest suburb but the black family lives in a poor one with lots of crime. Why is that? What does that have to do with slavery!?

The black family was owned and worked for generations and received zero compensation. They had no opportunities to build wealth until *checks notes* 155 years ago. Even after that point, we have video of black people trying to go to school with white kids and white people losing their fvcking minds. So you know every opportunity they got they had to fight for.

Then there are the psycho social effects of generations of trauma up to and including alterations to the genome.

Meanwhile the white family had a two hundred year head start. I'm not saying it was easy but they had objectively fewer challenges than the black family. There weren't institutional barriers against them the way there were against black people.

So it makes sense to give people of color assistance to cover the gaps. Those gaps will exist until we heal the damage caused by generations of trauma and that will take consistency and time.

But that all requires more subtlety and effort than "well slavery is over so... good job, discrimination ended! Let's never speak of this again!"
Doomflower · M
@InOtterWords pat kirby

VIP powers for the win
@Doomflower this person has blocked me.... obviously knows i would necer agree with them 🤣
@Doomflower Most sensible and to-the-point answer….couldn’t have said it better.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
Considering how many Whites immigrated to the USA after the Civil War was over and how many Blacks did as well it doesn’t make any sense at all. How do you sort that out? And how many Blacks have some White ancestry and how many Whites have some Black African ancestry? Not everything is black & white, many shades of gray. And no one alive today was a slave.
popmol · 22-25, M
its stupid. slaves are long gone (not everywhere of course)
also slaves weren't owned by "white people" they were owned by "rich people" who were "white" in america.
theres "black" people holding slaves
theres "asians" people holding slaves!
every colour/ race has held slaves during the history of man.

in america theres just systemic problems. like how poor areas are often where black people appear is most likely because even when they got freed from slaves they were still poor, but paying reparations is dumb, fix the country itself so everyone can be happy.

i mean theres places in america that are a 100 times worse than the poorest most horrible place in third world countries!
and its even worse because you are supposed to live in the richest country!

you need to fix issues like led poisoning, gun reform, the amount of psychopaths running around, terrible government. peoples mentality. religious zealots.
black people who might have some ancestor who was a slave and giving them some petty cash is not helping.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@popmol that argument has been debunked. The "welfare queen" stereotype is actually a racist stereotype. Most people in Europe get assistance with national healthcare, education, etc. They don't end up not working or lazy.
popmol · 22-25, M
@basilfawlty89 its not racist as i never specified that "black people" would have the issue and no other "colour", i'd definitely become lazy!
1. we would give it to "black people". just give. healthcare is paid with taxes.
2. healthcare is only given if needed. you know in healthcare situation.
3. education also paid from taxes.
also both are not enough and we still pay. this also depends on the country.
also healthcare and education and other things don't involve all necessities!

but just giving people because they are "black".
what about those who came later? they won't.
so its only "black people" with slave ancestors?

also making others better than others won't fix something better from the past.
so you would need to decide which of the "black people" with ancestors in slavery thats are currently in trouble,
you'd have to find the ones in trouble currently that are only in trouble because of their situation due to the ancestors slavery.

but who'll decide that and the vague things.
instead of you know putting the money into an already broken country with broken systems?

i mean wasn't the black live matter leader buying a whole mansion with the money they gained? why!?
it was supposed to help "black people" not one "black person" get a mansion! with that money she could feed a whole town for a while!

so instead of wasting time on this question and fix problems in a broken place and system, fix the broken place!
specman · 46-50, M
Black slaves that were freed had the chance to leave country. Paid for by the US. They would be taken to Liberia a country in Africa that was founded by freed US slaves. Obviously some left. I’m not agreeing with what the oppressors did to them, however the freed slaves faced being oppressed by choice. They could have left the country paid for by the US to a country free of oppression instead some stayed by voluntary means.
You can look up Liberia on wiki to get the story.
It’s really unbelievable! I would have left the Us!

So I would have to decline payment for that reason.
specman · 46-50, M
@LordShadowfire I’m not racist but if you say I am then you are allowed your opinion no matter the pathetic nature of it! I have stated the truth! I have gave unto you knowledge of the choice. I stated my answer. If you are for it I only hope that you live where they are giving reparations so that you can pay monetarily for your decision.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, MVIP
@specman Wow. Okay. You literally said that because freed slaves didn't want to take a boat across the ocean to go live in Liberia, they deserve everything that happened to them in America, but that doesn't make you a racist? I didn't realize we were on opposite world.
specman · 46-50, M
@LordShadowfire wether or not either place was ideal they still had a choice. Correct? They received the consequences of their choice correct? There are consequences to your choices that’s the way the world works! If you don’t understand that basic concept then you need to re evaluate yourself!
Reparations are nothing more than a leftwing agenda to literally buy votes.
Entwistle · 51-55, M
I don't see why only white people should have to pay reparations. Their were many black slave owners and black slave sellers.
Selling people into slavery still goes on today in huge numbers. It's a horrendous practice.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@Entwistle and that includes sex trafficking and pimping of people doesn’t it? Horrible.
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
If we have to pay blacks for slavery 200 odd years ago then in the same vein and thinking the germans need to pay all those countries whos people they murdered in their death camps during the second world war .
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@Rhode57 Gwrmany and Japan have paid reparations. Does that change your opinion?
pianoplayingsteve · 26-30, M
@Rhode57 and the polish who slaughtered ethnic German minorities should pay reparations, too
swDruid · 100+
Do whites get money from the Ottomans estimated 1.5 million European slaves?

[b]There has to be a point where people have to accept the past was shit and wrong, and we all move forward together. Or there is no progress.[/b]
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@swDruid [quote]Do whites get money from the Ottomans estimated 1.5 million European slaves?

There has to be a point where people have to accept the past was shit and wrong, and we all move forward together. Or there is no progress.[/quote]

If that is true then why are Jews getting money from the Germans (and everyone else) for what happened during WWII?

And why haven't Whites asked for money from the Ottomans, are they bashful?
Graylight · 46-50, F
@swDruid That's good to hear, because nothing's more disheartening to think than that we're acting just like everyone else right now.
[quote]Do whites get money from the Ottomans estimated 1.5 million European slaves?

I would have thought the answer to that is pretty obvious. Americans live in the USA not the former Ottoman Empire.

Also it is about lasting current events, not just ancient history like a certain segment seems determine to pretend it is.

Find me an example of white Europeans being red lined in the Balkans. Good luck with that.

I don't know of Albanian farmers that need to keep a friend on hand of a different race to sell their product for them so they don't get screwed.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Irish so ready for my reparations
@MasterLee 🤣🤣🤣
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
That is a double edged sword.
If that happens and it never will, maybe the descendants of Civil War veterans that suffered and died freeing them can sue the black population for pain and suffering.

But it will never happen. The only reason this idea gets rehashed is because liberal politicians are catering to the low IQ, low class people that would theoretically benefit. And the low IQ people that believe this will happen are the same ones that think other people are the source of their failures in life and not themselves.
CorvusBlackthorne · 46-50, MVIP
@LordShadowfire Paging Dr. Dunning, Dr. Kruger, your next patient is ready.
@DallasCowboysFan Oh look. We found someone who thinks The Bell Curve is a serious piece of academic work.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@DallasCowboysFan You would be lucky if you could have found 24 White Union soldiers who willingly died freeing slaves in the Civil War. The Union army threw escaping slaves into concentration camps, where tens of thousands of them died.
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
People should be more concerned with current events.
Child trafficking, sexual abuse and human trafficking.
200? children - teen girls - were kidnapped in Nigeria a few years ago by rebels and kept as wives....12, 13, 14 year old girls.

Girls and boys being promised for marriage to other families when they are still children.

Young girls and women are kidnapped by Isis and the Taliban to be wives and temporary girlfriends.

Women and children are trafficked in the U.S. and other nations for prostitution and child labor.

Women that can't leave the house without a male escort.

That should be the focus, not something that happened 158 years ago.
pianoplayingsteve · 26-30, M
@DallasCowboysFan that would actually help people, rather than divide the nation down the lines of immutable characteristics.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@DallasCowboysFan yes and it’s another distraction to keep the focus off of what is happening now…look back to 200 years ago instead of focusing on the present.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Under Communism, everyone but the party leaders are slaves, and are entitled to compensation from the government. The reparation movement is but a part of incremental communism by proxy.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@Heartlander no. Also communism refers to a stateless, classless society post scarcity without monetary exchange.

You're thinking of state socialism/state capitalism.
Magenta · F
NO. Utterly ridiculous notion. Goes along with the current mentality of "Life owes me"... "Victimhood".
If everyone had to pay for the sins of the fathers, we'd all be penniless.
redredred · M
I want $500,000 for being dipped in maple syrup and thrown from the third floor. It didn’t happen to me and you didn’t do it but…
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@redredred pootin does thing like that, so ask him for the money. You won't get it of course but you will get dipped in maple syrup and thrown from the third floor, if not from a higher one.
redredred · M
@Diotrephes Write again when you’re sober. It’s not clear how Putin got into a discussion about reparations.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
What about Black ancestors that owned slaves? Would they have to pay or would they receive?
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@Heartlander that's an "inconvenient fact" that the history books like to overlook; Anthony Johnson, a black man from Iberia and former slave himself, was actually one of the earliest as well as the largest slaveowners in colonial America (he even had white slaves/servants)
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
Antoine Dubuclet was one of the wealthiest free black slave owners prior to the civil war, he owned 70 slaves; He also married a wealthy black slaveowner, Claire Pollard, who owned 44 slaves. His family were among the largest sugar plantation owners at the time, and the richest in Louisiana, the civil war destroyed his business (as well as most other sugar plantations). In 1990, Dubuclet was inducted into the Louisiana Black History Hall of Fame, he even has a statue/memorial

One of South Carolina’s most prominent black slaveowners was William Ellison Jr., a cotton gin maker and blacksmith who supported the Confederacy with sizeable donations and even had a grandson join the Confederate Army. In 1860, he was the largest slaveowner in the state, and owned more than 1,000 aces of land

(More than 3,000 freed blacks served in Confederate Army)

In South Carolina during the 1830s there were nearly 4,000 black slave owners.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Practically every US citizen who is 3rd or 4th+ generation American can point to ancestors who were screwed over or cheated out of their land or possessions or even their lives in one way or another. Practically everyone on earth can look back and point to misery inflicted on their ancestors. One of the great beauties of America is that every generation has a better chance to overcome the misery inflicted than the previous generation.

Humankind is an evolving species, and I can't think of a place on earth that has evolved better than the good old USA.
CaseyHill · 18-21, F
Why do people think that only black people were used as slaves? Barbary pirates would raid coastal European towns to kidnap white townsfolk for slavery. There's never any talk of seeking reparations for that.

The transatlantic slave trade was made possible by African tribes selling members of other tribes that( they had captured to use as slaves themselves) to the European traders. There's never any talk of reparations from them.

In ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, China, Gaul, and pretty much any society, the powerful have made slaves of people, no matter their colour. Again, there is never talk of reparations there.

And it's rather depressing that no one ever talks about how the British royal navy was instrumental in ending the transatlantic slave trade, or how the UK spent £20 million in 1833 (40% of national budget) to do so, after making it illegal for any British person to partake in owning or trading slaves in 1807 (yes, it took 26 years to do it, but no government seems to do anything quickly)... and yet never sought reparations for that.
@CaseyHill The history of slavery in the world goes back thousands of years. Every race/ethnicity has been enslaved at some point.
Nitedoc · 36-40, M
I guess some people don't realize how many other people have owned slaves throughout recorded history. In relatively recent times white people have freed the slaves. Where is our reward for that!
LordShadowfire · 46-50, MVIP
@Nitedoc You literally said black people are violent because of genetics, Klan boy.
Nitedoc · 36-40, M
@LordShadowfire That's just one possible reason I proposed. It could be from other factors too. But the fact remains. You know it does it's just that you can't stand to admit it!
Graylight · 46-50, F
@Nitedoc Okay, look. You have to know you’re in the minority here. I encourage you to stand up for your beliefs, but make sure you’ve done a thorough accounting of those beliefs.

You sound as if you have what you think are legitimate reasons for your stance. I – and many here, from the sound of it – disagree with them. But if you’d be interested in truly discussing them and opening yourself up to new perspective simply to consider, you can do so at any time via PM.

We are the bad guys in this story, friend. I wish it weren’t true; I’m not proud. Nor am I personally guilty, but it benefits everyone to understand their origins and plan the best road into the future.
Graylight · 46-50, F
Today, the average white family has roughly 10 times the amount of wealth as the average Black family. White college graduates have over seven times more wealth than Black college graduates.

Native Americans have received land and billions of dollars for various benefits and programs for being forcibly exiled from their native lands. For Japanese Americans, $1.5 billion was paid to those who were interned during World War II. Additionally, the United States, via the Marshall Plan, helped to ensure that Jews received reparations for the Holocaust, including making various investments over time. In 1952, West Germany agreed to pay 3.45 billion Deutsche Marks to Holocaust survivors.

Black Americans are the only group that has not received reparations for state-sanctioned racial discrimination, while slavery afforded some white families the ability to accrue tremendous wealth. And, we must note that American slavery was particularly brutal.

Had the original contract with emancipated slaves been honored, this conversation wouldn’t exist today. But it wasn’t. No land, no mule, and land reverted back to slave owners. No one is saying hand over cash to black people. What is being weighed is the creation and fostering of programs meant to close the gap between the races. Never before has this been seen as a moral struggle or ‘entitlement,’ which should promote us all the more to look at why reparations haven’t been offered up ‘til now.

[i](stat source: brookings)[/i]
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Since the conservatives were against slavery of course they would be exempt
BohemianBoo · 18-21, M
@BritishNRASupporter I only speak English and German, I don't know what that sentence is.
@BritishNRASupporter what? He waged war against the south

And liberals today carry on his legacy of wanting to erase confederate flags and monuments and history

Don't be ignorant
@Stargazer89 I mean... I'm sure you're opposed to slavery at the very least???
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
I dont think they should . Look at it this way , if slavery had not happened and the white man had not gone to these countries then they would still be in africa or where ever they came from living the life they had before the white man . Killing each other in tribal war fare dieng early because there would be no modern medicine etc . They should think twice before screaming and yelling how hard done by they are . They would all still be uneducated savages living the way they did 200 years or so ago . Their only where they are today alot of the time because their relatives were brought to the white mans land 200 years ago . So slavery has been a positive thing for them and their is no one alive now that was born into or had any connection to slavery . I am so sick of listening to all these losers who have no one to blame but themselves for their life . You dont hear well educated blacks or those who have made something of their life and are comfortably off moaning . No its only those that feel the world owes them a living because their to lazy to sort their own lives out or are down on their luck or not well off and just jelous of those that have made it . Makes me sick , you would think they are the only ones struggling their not . Instead of moaning like spoilt brats they should get off their ass and make something of their lives and stop expecting everyone to do it for them .
Slade · 56-60, M
@Rhode57 True. The entire continent of Africa is a giant piece of shit. If they weren't brought here they'd still be cannibalizing each other like they were for millenia.

How could anyone possibly complain about being brought from Africa to America?

The only reparations should be paid by Africans to America!

We'll start with the cost if the voyage. Plus 160 years compound interest!
robb65 · 56-60, M
I'm white and as far back as anyone can remember my ancestors were white but apparently there's Sub Saharan DNA on one side of the family (and north African on the other). There's a good probability my GG grandfather on my father's side was a good bit darker complected than I am and I'm reasonably sure that side of the family never owned slaves. So how would this work? Would someone have to prove they are descendants of slaves to collect or is simply being black proof enough? How about whites whose ancestors arrived after the civil war? How about people who identify as white but who have ancestors who were slaves and people who identify as black but who are descendants of slave owners?
ElizabethThorn · 26-30, F
I have never had a problem with the idea of reparations for slavery and Native American.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@ElizabethThorn efxaristo! I think the Turks should pay reparation to Greeks and Cypriots. They should recognise the Genocides and pay reparations to the Ottoman Christian minorities.
ElizabethThorn · 26-30, F
@basilfawlty89 I am Greek and I agree. I am also Romani and thus the Romani side of my family was also a victim of genocide
Slade · 56-60, M

[quote]I have never had a problem with the idea of reparations for slavery and Native American.[/quote]

Oh goody! Now I can get to sleep tonight
Dolimyte · 41-45, M
Generational poverty rooted in slavery is definitely an issue that needs correction, but saying "white people need to pay reparations" is overly simplistic and completely impractical.
I dont agree with reparations. what I think should happen is universal healthcare and education.
Dolimyte · 41-45, M
@OzymandiasLives that's a good start. I think universal basic income should be a goal as well.
@OzymandiasLives that's socialism. NO
@Stargazer89 It would help people with special needs. You should be grateful.
They can’t promise student dept relief 2x times and expect the plantation to believe them..
hmm.. what other carrot can we dangle for votes… but never deliver
BohemianBoo · 18-21, M
The entire working-class has been dicked over by Capitalism. It doesn't make any sense to single out certain people for help based on race. Reparations should be about class. And it shouldn't be a one time payment, it should be an actual reparation of society.
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
@BohemianBoo I pay reparations every time I buy something and pay my taxes in April.
BohemianBoo · 18-21, M
@DallasCowboysFan That's not what I heard...
pianoplayingsteve · 26-30, M
@BohemianBoo no they havent
Nitedoc · 36-40, M
If that happens then white people need reparations for being "held back" due to affirmative action.
RuyLopez · 56-60, M
I'm all for it but only if the Sumerians go first. Seems only fair.
RuyLopez · 56-60, M
@Graylight You're still here. I thought I said bye Felicia. Bye Felicia.
Graylight · 46-50, F
RuyLopez · 56-60, M
@Graylight 😉
MrBrownstone · 41-45, M
100% no. But if it happens it should be paid by the ones who sold the slaves.
spitterwoman21 · 56-60, F
Anyone whose family has lived in America for generations is part black so that makes no sense. I am mostly Polish and English so who is going to pay me for what my people went through?
Graylight · 46-50, F
@spitterwoman21 It's not arrogant to discuss one's own viewpoint as an anchor point, particularly on the US site, so get over yourself.

Not a Republican, Einstein. Not a conservative. And if you think WWII can be clarified in a social media post, you're the one who should do some reflection.
spitterwoman21 · 56-60, F
@Graylight no it is arrogant to always think that your country is involved in every discussion. we weren't discussing America getting involved in WWII. We were discussing Poland's involvement in WWii. your info is backwards and your previous answer doesn't even address what we were speaking about. POLAND !!!
Graylight · 46-50, F
@spitterwoman21 You don't know what my info regarding Poland is, so don't tell me whether it's right or wrong.

Also, learns the caps key. You shout and whisper at an alarmingly frantic pace.
[i]You’re [/i]the one who said every citizen in America is part black. [i]You’re [/i]the one who think casinos are some kind of reparation payment to Native Americans. [i]You’re[/i] the one who said WWII was kicked off and the later the world war began.
[quote]Germany invading Poland kicked off WWII. that was when it became a world war, idiot.[/quote]

[b][i]You’re [/i][/b]the one who knows not of what she speaks.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
How will they prove who owned slaves?
@MasterLee if you're white enough, you're guilty
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@BizSuitStacy nah there better be more
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
Well i know i had ancestors that fought for the freedom of the slaves
I think it could make sense as part of a series of programs and plans to correct injustices.

But it doesn't make sense as just cutting a check.

It is unfortunately a very "rich white guy" idea that you can just throw money at a systemic issue and claim you solved it.
Slade · 56-60, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow How about if it's a very rich negroe. Or a very rich Chinaman?
Morrowind · 26-30, M
I mean I can’t even afford shit, struggle to get employment so just because I’m white doesn’t mean I’m wealthy. I couldn’t afford to pay those fees even if it wasnt dumb as shit
Chickie · F
@Morrowind the point is that you will have a higher advantage than the average black person.
Entwistle · 51-55, M
Should anyone who inherited a big plantation house,or land be allowed to keep it then? Should a person be allowed to keep a house their great great great grandfather had built of off money he earned through slavery?
Thevy29 · 36-40, M
When the White fellas first came to Australia. They bargain with the Aborigines promising in a written legal document a percentage of goods and stock grown on the land as recompense. For the white fellas inhabiting it.
What followed was a bad bit of history no white fellas want to believe or convinced themselves it happened so long ago its not their problem. Even though some of this history wasn't all that long ago and the youngest of the 'the stolen Generation' are in their 50's.
There was a push to get the original Promise of Goods and Stock to be honoured. But last I heard that was back in the early 2000's and fuck all came of it.
DragonFruit · 61-69, M
It would be a government reparation, but the problem with the idea is that verification is difficult to impossible since slavery was abolished over 160 years ago. Not all Black Americans had relatives who were slaves and trying to figure out how much to pay to whom would be a logistical nightmare.
As with Native Americans, the government should acknowledge that their predecessors were wronged by the government and make every effort to avoid further discrimination, but the payment of reparations would create a lot of problems in the effort to atone for past wrongs.
TelegramSam · 70-79
Lets begin a ledger on just who owes who based upon history. You never know, it could end up all square and we could all find it easier to forgive and forget and start over.
AmmieBell · 18-21, F
I literally just wrote an essay on this 👀 Weird
Lucyy · 18-21, F
@AmmieBell 👀👀👀
AmmieBell · 18-21, F
@Lucyy FINE, trying to pull me into drama 😂
Basically it was a whole, unreasonably long thing (because it was required to be at least 7 pages lol) about how, even if it made sense to punish the hypothetical son for the sins of his father, the logistics of reparations like that just don't make sense.

For example- my immediate family is white. But we also have my three cousins living with us- who are not white. So in that case, what do you do? Still charge the reparations, even though having that family pay reparations will directly take money from the household of black children? Would that not defeat the entire purpose?

By that same logic, what about households with one white parent, one black parent? Do they pay half, even though that will take money away from my household with a black person/mixed children?

Do the mixed children then grow up and have to pay half of the reparations, because they are just as likely as anyone with a white parent to have been descended from a slave owner? What about the Africans who enslaved other Africans for literal centuries before white people ever made it over there? What about the free black people in the USA who ALSO owned slaves? What about the Native-Americans who owned slaves? Do they pay reparations, too?

What about the white people who did not immigrate here until after slavery ended? Or the ones who are descended from people who fought and died to end slavery, making reparations through their own blood? What about the black people who didn't immigrate here until after it had ended, and who came willingly? Do those white people still have to pay, and those black people still receive the money? Even though they never had any form of connection through their family?

Logistically, it just doesn't make sense, even if there was moral ground to actually implement reparations.
Lucyy · 18-21, F
@AmmieBell wild lol
Northwest · M
This is really cool. I had no idea the government developed a way, to isolate different races, and make them pay certain things, while exempting others.
Doomflower · M
I don't think individual white people owe people of color anything but institutions definitely owe them a step up.
No, because it's not going to erase the fact that it happened. Also, I've never owned a slave and I didn't exist during that time.
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
The ones who are in favor of it are more than welcome to pay for it out of their own pockets.
Is anyone going to disagree?
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
I can support reparations but not in the form of cash. It should be as free education up through the college and university level, free job training, job creation and placement programs, single-payer healthcare, maybe zero interest home loans. Everyone in the country should get these benefits, and it will help to raise up blacks, Indians and the poor the most.
pianoplayingsteve · 26-30, M
@badminton and who pays for all that?
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@pianoplayingsteve The tax payers of course. I would pay taxes for those programs willingly. All those programs would make the country more prosperous and safer.

And If we outlaw off-shore tax havens for corporations, end wars of conquest and plunder (Afghanistan), end bail-outs and subsides for Wall Street and corporations we will have plenty of money for programs of domestic improvement.
I'll go on record and promise to pay reparations to all of my former slaves.
SirfurryanimalWales · 61-69, M
Why should those alive today have to pay for the actions of their ancestors?
Perhaps Italians should be made to pay we Brits because the Romans invaded I don't believe that.
But it shows how ridiculous things could get.
Where do you stop once you start this?
Slade · 56-60, M

As I always say, the entire continent of Africa is a giant piece of shit. If they weren't brought here they'd still be cannibalizing each other like they were for millenia.

[b]How could anyone possibly complain about being brought from Africa to America?[/b]

The only reparations should be paid by Africans to America!

We'll start with the cost if the voyage. Plus 160 years compound interest!
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@Slade [quote]We'll start with the cost if the voyage. Plus 160 years compound interest![/quote] You would make an excellent banker. 😄
Scribbles · 31-35, F
@Slade Please seek therapy.

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