Thoughts on white people having to pay slavery reparations?

@Neoerectus Why does every single one of you try to change the subject, using the same bullshit argument?

@LordShadowfire [quote]Why does every single one of you try to change the subject, using the same bullshit argument?[/quote]
Jim Crow upbringing?

@Diotrephes Must be.

@LordShadowfire There are countless historical pictures of White teens (and their parents) protesting against school integration. Those teens had children so, did they transfer their racist attitudes to their children like their parents had done to them?

Remember how some people went nuts when Black students were admitted to various colleges and universities? There doesn't seem to be a large outcry against affirmative action now as there was then but the protests were all racist in nature.

If things had been different then and if Blacks had been accepted as equal citizens and equal humans, would there be a demand for reparations? If reparations are successful rejected, I wonder what the next issue will be? Blacks have always been very patriotic but will there come a time when a majority of them will simply say "F--- it" and stop being so forgiving?

It might be best to throw some money at the issue with a smile now before things get ugly beyond any beauty treatment.

@LordShadowfire

I am a liberal white guy, who does NOT believe in original sin either religiously or culturally. Tough shit if you dont like it. The universe cares not.

Maybe if enough folks are saying something, it is time to consider its validity. I had Irish and Welsh ancestors abused by the UK. Also historic Teutonic tribal peoples abused by vandals and a host of other peoples. I also had ancestors with privilege who likely abused it.

Rather than settle old scores, lets treat all as equals in the here and now. Lets stop the cop culture that kills people for sport. Lets stop any racist hiring, housing, etc. bias. Lets have child care, housing, and health care as a fundamental right.

I have never refused a job to a POC. I HAVE lost jobs for not being male by women. I have had Black employer diss me for being white not realizing I was on the line. I have had Hispanic neighbors slam me in Spanish. I never did ANY racial or ethnic slamming myself.

I was raised to believe and act those beliefs. Nor have I dissed or discriminated against LGBTQ, etc. I even got some neg. gay-bashing comments from people who thought I was gay...even my own brother in a subtle fashion.

I count as friends Japanese, Korean, Native Hawaiian, Mexican, Costa Rican, Guyanan, South African, Mexican, Argentinian, Native American, Italian,etc. people as friends.

It is the ultimate in chutzbah to assume you know anything about me. I do not support reparations because it does nothing constructive in regard to equity unless we pay EVERYONE back in time. It is a guilty conscience payment for a debt I did not accrue. Original sin is meaningless in the universe.

"Everyone of you" is a grouping and discounting technique used by racists who say 'you people.'
Own that.

I am egalitarian. I believe it and I expect it.

You feel guilt or anger?.That is YOUR issue to deal with. It is an 'inside job.'

@Neoerectus [quote]Maybe if enough folks are saying something, it is time to consider its validity.[/quote]
[quote]Rather than settle old scores, lets treat all as equals in the here and now. Lets stop the cop culture that kills people for sport. Lets stop any racist hiring, housing, etc. bias. Lets have child care, housing, and health care as a fundamental right.[/quote]
The fact that you think it's about settling old scores speaks volumes.
[quote]I have never refused a job to a POC. I HAVE lost jobs for not being male by women. I have had Black employer diss me for being white not realizing I was on the line. I have had Hispanic neighbors slam me in Spanish. I never did ANY racial or ethnic slamming myself.[/quote]
I'll just take your word for that, shall I?
Also...
[quote]"Evefyone of you" is a grouping and discounting technique used by racists who say 'you people.'[/quote]
So I must automatically be referring to a race because I said that? Really? Or is that just what you think because you use that phrase in that context?

@LordShadowfire You really are self righteous. I said consider... not blindly accept. The universe keeps coming back with lessons...if you keep covering your ears you never learn or actually hear others. Like the big three religions who say only they have THE answer. You do this in spades.

Anecdotal is one way to communicate personal experience in a virtual environment where we cannot learn via body language or shared experience. My argument was elsewhere.. please keep up.

BY DEFINITION, reparations are about settling perceived past wrongs..."the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged."

I do not agree with you. You have presented no convincing argument other than to attack me and others. You can get your self-righteous jollies elsewhere.

@Neoerectus [quote]You really are self righteous. I said consider... not blindly accept.[/quote]
Ordinarily, when people tell me that, that's what they mean.
[quote]Like the big three religions who say only they have THE answer. You do this in spades.[/quote]
I don't claim to have THE answer, but I know bullshit when I hear it.
[quote]Anecdotal is one way to communicate personal experience in a virtual environment where we cannot learn via body language or shared experience.[/quote]
Yes, but when I don't know you from the man in the moon, it's hardly evidence I'm going to accept.
[quote]My argument was elsewhere.. please keep up..[/quote]
And you call me arrogant.
[quote]BY DEFINITION, reparations are about settling perceived past wrongs...[/quote]
But those weren't the words you used. You used the phrase "old scores". Settling an old score means taking revenge.
[quote]I do not agree with you. You have presented no convincing argument...[/quote]
You're right. I was too busy expressing my annoyance at the same old argument being presented by you.
[quote]...other than to attack me and others.[/quote]
I did not attack. I asked why it is that all of you who oppose the idea of reparations choose to use the "oh, but X, Y, and Z group were ALSO slaves" argument. It's a red herring, intended to distract from the damage that's been done to the African-American community.
[quote]You can get your self-righteous jollies elsewhere.[/quote]
no u

@LordShadowfire I see @Neoerectus has given up on countering real arguments.

@Neoerectus You're 100% correct in what you have stated here.

The problem is that the entire Left refuses to believe this one fact. Because it goes against the black victim narrative that they have been putting out for least the past 50 years or so.

@Neoerectus Stop whining about reparations for slavery. The reparations are for 158 years of on-going Jim Crow discrimination that has deprived Black American citizens of equal rights in all spheres of society.

Did you whine about Blacks getting into various universities? Did your parents protest school integration?