@SW-User It wont be enough. To get an I.D. one needs an address, homeless families, adults ect. Will be unable to vote. We need a way to allow them to vote without an address if they are homeless. We also need go give Native Americans the ability to access the DMV to ensure they get their I.D.s as well.
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@SW-User True. You need what? Proof of address, you need to provide proof of citizenship or residency, and a bunch of other shit.
Homeless people can put the address of a homeless shelter or even a street corner on an I.D. application. If a mailing address is needed, that can also be the homeless shelter's address or a relative's address. I see no reason why voters should not have to prove we are eligible to vote and that involves showing who we are.
My mother easily obtained a non-driver identification card. EASILY. She got a ride to the registry of motor vehicles, with me, waited, and produced the required three forms of other identification...her passport, her social security card, and her birth certificate. Then, after waiting about 2 hours, she had a non-driver ID card she could use to cash checks, fill prescriptions, and fly on a plane. That was before the REAL ID period. But that's all she had to do.
If there is a so-called "identity group" that feels they are being discriminated against for some reason by having to produce documents, then I would ask how do you work without a social security card, how do you buy your beer, and how do you fill your prescriptions when you get sick? And how do you prove you are you and have health insurance when you go to the ER?
@4meAndyou is that not what you did to me? [quote]Yes, I understand you quite well. You would rather whine than seek the help you need personally, and you assume that everyone else is just like you. If something is hard, you don't want to do it.[/quote] you should practice what you preach or stop preaching
@WeighedDown [quote]right here buddy the tablet I use to access this site is not mine, I have no phone, i could walk to a local church and ask for help but I won't, that is shameful and i doubt think they would help me anyway. 1in6.org has helped me but not by giving me money. Right now the souls of my shoes are falling off because i walk everywhere. If you are familiar with section 8 you know convicted felons need not apply. You may have worked with poor people but to think the people you worked with are a valid representation of all poor people is a mistake many are to proud to ask for help.[/quote]
@4meAndyou even before I said that you said [quote] I think I see the kind of a-hole you are, now. You want to claim out of one side of your mouth that these people are sooooooo poor that they can't spare $25.00 and that they are mostly black and Latin American. Then you want to claim out of the other side of your mouth that they are none of them on welfare...and imply that I have to be a BAD person to believe so.
I am a former worker at a homeless shelter. I just know BS when it walks right up to me and lies to me in my face. And I know how the homeless and poor people get by. So stop lying to make a non-existent point.
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Voter ID laws aren't very old in most states that even have them, so if anyone is trying to/has tried to "change everything" to help themselves win it's the Republicans in this case. If everyone has a fair say we're going to lose, so let's make some pain-in-the-ass rules to deter legitimate voters from exercising their right, because everyone knows that all those poor and colored people are going to vote against our interests [i]if[/i] we let them.
They're not. If poor people are so affected by this then the state(s) with those affected need to make it easier for them to get IDs or create an alternative form of Identification that is acceptable in order to prove who you are.
I never understood this at all. You can't even get a job without an ID at least on the books. There's so much you cannot do without an ID.
I'm not making excuses for grown ass people sorry.
@TheunderdogofNY what about msnbc http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/alabama-dmv-closings-draw-call-federal-voting-rights-probe/amp how about the Washington post
@TheunderdogofNY The Snopes article has 5 or 6 links to articles in local papers talking about the issue. Alabama closing the DMV centers is a fact, doesn't matter who reports that fact.
@TheunderdogofNY I did assume you were like most the others my bad, it don't change the fact that this made the news everywhere when it happened well everywhere but fox
The real racists are the ones that spread lies about ppl being too inept to hold identification if they're poor, and that mostly only black ppl are the poor ppl.
That shows how racist they are. The picture in their head of a poor person is like this:
1. Someone who can't find the dmv.
2. Someone who can't find social services.
3. Someone whos too stupid to write.
4. Someone whos never had 20 dollars.
5. Someone that's got tan or brown skin.
And even if there is some people like that it's millions of ppl.
@SteelHands What lies? I’ve told no lies. I hope people recognize the truth of what I’m saying so we don’t continue to support bad policy that disenfranchises the most vulnerable among us and further over represents those that are already wealthy and powerful. That’s what voter ID is really about, further tightening the wealthiest 0.1%’s grip on the balls of American democracy and silencing those most likely to vote against it. So show me one “lie” I’ve told and provide some evidence that it’s untrue.
@JP1119 Let's begin with your lie that claims voter ID laws grant increased power to the top 1%.
Since the shrinking middle class outnumbers them by hundreds of millions that lie is easily seen for the false statement it is.
I will also make a point of saying that referring to persons that are low income or poor as lacking the means to obtain an ID card is also a lie.
To say that a substantial number of voters is out there that lack any identification is a half baked lie.
And referring to obstinate people that occasionally become homeless, but the bulk of them often choose not to play by any civilized standards like ownership of ID is also total bullshit.
Then selling your pack of lies because you claim that the majority isn't aware how these false notions are used to shift election results, driven by compassion and concern is unmitigated whale shit.
@SteelHands The first one of those is the only one I more or less said, and even then it's in an indirect way. Voter ID laws indirectly result in the the very wealthiest consolidating their power because it removes a significant check to their power, that being the votes of a group of people primarily in polar opposite financial circumstances. You claim that's easily seen as a lie because the shrinking middle class outnumbers them by "hundreds of millions". First of all, the US total population is only 329,402,444 according to United Nations estimates as of yesterday, so it's safe to say the shrinking middle class does not outnumber the very wealthiest by quite that much. Next, voter ID laws primarily affect the very poor and minorities. Do you think the poor and minorities tend to favor candidates or policies that result in the very wealthiest of all consolidating their power? If not, then disenfranchising them would obviously take us a step (we can debate how big or small that step is) in the direction of the very wealthiest getting more power and, more importantly, tightening their grip on the power they already have, so they don't have to worry about losing it however badly they misbehave; thus, my statement is true.
My argument was never that poor people lack the means to obtain a voter ID card, it was that it it's a major inconvenience for many of them to obtain one. I imagine your knee-jerk response is, "Hahaha, we all have to deal with inconveniences, that's no excuse for not getting one, they have the means!" To which I would pose this hypothetical: imagine we passed a law that said that in order to vote you had to cut off your left arm. Would you do it? Well why not?! You have the [i]means[/i]!! Now that was an extreme example, but I already outlined in my above comment some of the prohibitive inconveniences poor people frequently face when considering getting ID cards: long distance to travel, have to take off work, have to pay for transportation, etc. All that to be able to cast your one vote that, by itself, hasn't a snowball's chance in hades of swinging any but some podunk town's local election anyway. Participation in American elections ranks as some of the worst among developed countries already, and then we've got assholes like you that want to make it even harder/less worthwhile for poor people to cast a vote.
To be fair, it's pretty hard to measure with a significant degree of accuracy how many potential voters that lack ID are out there, but I'll grant you it's probably in the low single digit percentage of the electorate; however, depending what state you're in, that can still be tens of thousands of potential voters being affected by the voter ID law.
I'm not exactly clear what you're trying to say in your last two paragraphs, but it kinda seems like it's just your own personal cynical hunch that the only reason that anyone is poor or lacking an ID card is because they're lazy or irresponsible. Doesn't make sense to me to begin with and you've provided no evidence nor even logical arguments to make it seem any more likely to be true.
@redredred True, but the argument was "what can you do without an ID, legally". and you can, buy a gun legally without ID. Thats perhaps a small fraction of gun sales, but it can happen.
Thanks for the reminder I keep forgetting - Republicans are ok that you can walk down the street with a fully automatic assault weapon, but they'll be damned if you vote without and I.D.
@wildbill83 You need to understand leftist gunsmithing. irrespective of what the metal parts are doing, if the stock is wood, its not an "assault rifle". If it has any other stock its a dreaded "assault rifle"
Voter ID laws disproportionately burden those who don't currently possess photo IDs and don't need them for any other purpose for voting. This group of citizens is overwhelmingly poor and disproportionately African American and Latino.
@SteelHands say what you want but I have not had an id or ssn card in years and still I have food stamps all I needed was my number never even had to physically go to dhs sent my application in and had a phone interview and was approved for food stamps for a year. But I mean you probably have not ever applied so of course you don't know, but I have had food stamps many times and never once needed an id, welfare may be different wouldn't know snap is not the same welfare, if I was gonna lie though it wouldn't be about this I would say I had a good job or something.
None of those things are a right, I can't vote but if I could I would not currently be able to as I don't have an Id to get one requires a ssn card and a birth certificate, both of which were stolen many years ago along with my Id. The problem is to get a new ssn card I need a birth certificate or an id to get a birth certificate I need an ssn card
@WeighedDown I don't remember. When I ordered mine I also ordered copies of my three kids and did express shipping. This was maybe three years ago so the price may have changed.
I do know if you Google birth certificate replacement or ordering you will see a few different sites to get them from and they ARE certified copies.
@Scubaguy027 it's really not that important to me I can't vote anyway, have no real purpose for an id at the moment and what little money I get is usually spent on my meds and house hold items like TP.
It does place a disproportionate burden on some Americans. Some of those Americans are black or Latino. Many are also white, elderly, and/or poor. Voter ID laws aren’t inherently evil, but they should be phased in with planning and budgeting to support the requirement.
