And how are voter ID laws racist?

@4meAndyou not everyone has three forms of id through no fault of their own

@WeighedDown That is the worst BS I've ever heard. A mother can't get welfare without ID. They can't get WIC for their children. ALL you need to get three forms of ID is $25.00 and a stamp to send away for your birth certificate to the state where you were born. You get a social security card automatically when you work, and anyone at all can get a passport at the post office for $50.00, or HAS one even if they were born elsewhere.

If you are going to sit on your dooper and try to tell me that...waaahhh...that's just too much trouble...then there is something really wrong. With THEM and with you for believing they just really can't do it. ANYONE can do it.

@4meAndyou discrimination against the poor even it what you say is true some people don't have 25 dollars or welfare or WIC

@WeighedDown
[quote]This group of citizens is overwhelmingly poor and disproportionately African American and Latino.
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This is just pure BS. Ask them how they get their welfare... because you can't eat if you are that poor and you are not receiving welfare. Ask them for their social security numbers. Ask them if they are on Medicaid.

@4meAndyou do you assume all poor black and Latinos get welfare? I think i see what type of person you are now.

@4meAndyou [quote]ALL you need to get three forms of ID is $25.00 and a stamp to send away for your birth certificate to the state where you were born. You get a social security card automatically when you work, and anyone at all can get a passport at the post office for $50.00, or HAS one even if they were born elsewhere.[/quote] So you need $25.00 for the ID, potentially $50.00 for the passport, plus the stamp. So if you don't already have an ID, then that's roughly $75.50 you have to pay to cast a vote that, except perhaps in local elections in small towns, hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of deciding the outcome of the election. Sounds a bit like something I heard of in school that was historically declared both unconstitutional and racist, called a [i]poll tax[/i], and a rather hefty one at that. Voting is a right in this country, and sadly, most people who can legally vote don't bother to do so. I see no moral justification for making voting any harder or less worthwhile than it already is.

@WeighedDown I think I see the kind of a-hole you are, now. You want to claim out of one side of your mouth that these people are sooooooo poor that they can't spare $25.00 and that they are mostly black and Latin American. Then you want to claim out of the other side of your mouth that they are none of them on welfare...and imply that I have to be a BAD person to believe so.

I am a former worker at a homeless shelter. I just know BS when it walks right up to me and lies to me in my face. And I know how the homeless and poor people get by. So stop lying to make a non-existent point.

@JP1119 I had to pay it. Is it a poll tax when I PAY IT???

Or is it just a poll tax when poor people pay it?

@4meAndyou really I'm poor and been homeless never qualified for welfare I get SNAP benefits and snap knows enough about poor people to not require them to have physical social security cards or IDs all you need to get snap is a number

@4meAndyou Yeah, why wouldn't it be?

@WeighedDown And you have to fill out a ream of paperwork with identification, address, bank account information, job information, your social security number and on and on and on. And you have to do that once a year at least to continue to receive benefits.

@4meAndyou correct but you do not have to have a physical Social Security card a physical ID or even an address if your homeless, why can't we have paperwork like that to get an id then I would not be here complaining about how hard it is to get an id. I guess I could sell my food stamps to get the money for an id but other than that I kinda have to live without one,, unless you would be kind enough to buy it for me

@JP1119 Those are required if you want a non-driver ID. If someone is in soooo much need that they can't come up with less than $100.00 they can walk to the library and set up a go fund me page, or have their pastor or priest do it for them if they don't know how to use a computer. All of this other BS is sickening. People are ABLE to do whatever they need to do. PEOPLE ARE ABLE!!! The homeless and/OR the mentally ill and the drug users may curl up in a ball and say waaaaaaah...it's too hard...but PEOPLE CAN DO ANYTHING THEY REALLY WANT TO DO!!!

You are just like the enablers all over the country who want to say a Man is not a Man and a Woman is not a Woman and they have no POWER...but they DO!!! People can help themselves. They can get their documents. They can get free money to pay for the documents. Or they can lie down in the middle of the street and wait for whatever to happen to them and then cry about it.

@WeighedDown I guess that's because we have laws. Only some forms of ID are recognized as legal and valid. If it were not so, we could just print up our own ID on our own printers using online forms, and any foreigner could pretend to be a citizen and collect benefits. Why don't you write to your state senator or congressperson? It is they who make these laws. Only they can change them.

@4meAndyou I can type but dysgraphia keeps me from writing I don't even want an id but I can fully see how it discriminated against the poor

@WeighedDown Show me a poor person without a cell phone or an Ipad who can't walk to a local church or get a neighbor to walk and ask for help with go fund me page, and I will eat my laptop. I worked with the homeless for 4 years, and 2 years before that with addicts and ALL of them had cell phones or Iphones, most of them nicer than mine. Easily half of them were covered with $300 tattoos, and I had to be TRAINED to be careful when searching their clothes for needles for the drugs they had money to buy.

SOME of them were honest, and hard working, but those people were the minority. Homeless people who live in shelters are fast tracked to section 8 housing, and given free educational opportunities and free food and even free transportations. We had a whole network of people who used to donate cars.

@4meAndyou right here buddy the tablet I use to access this site is not mine, I have no phone, i could walk to a local church and ask for help but I won't, that is shameful and i doubt think they would help me anyway. 1in6.org has helped me but not by giving me money. Right now the souls of my shoes are falling off because i walk everywhere. If you are familiar with section 8 you know convicted felons need not apply. You may have worked with poor people but to think the people you worked with are a valid representation of all poor people is a mistake many are to proud to ask for help.

@WeighedDown That's on you, then.

@4meAndyou it is and I accept that but it don't change the fact voter id laws place undue burdens on the poor communities and the people in those communities now eat your laptop.

@WeighedDown I don't like paperwork either. It is a burden on EVERYONE and if you have little money you have to work harder and maybe swallow your stupid pride and go down to the church and GET a priest or a pastor to help you set up a go fund me.

@4meAndyou before I would go through them I would go through charitable organizations that have helped me in the past, people would probably not donate to a gofund me because I do not appear disabled. As far as paperwork being a burden for everyone it is more so for someone with dysgraphia and dyspraxia. There is more to it than pride as a convicted drug felon few people are willing to help me.

@WeighedDown Yes, I understand you quite well. You would rather whine than seek the help you need personally, and you assume that everyone else is just like you. If something is hard, you don't want to do it.

@4meAndyou no not whining about my situation just using it show some people do not have the same level of functionality, could I do better yeah I probably could, could everyone no they could not, I know there are few like me, I did atleast one thing that was harder than anything you have probably ever done, the help I am currently seeking is about my mental health not my quality of living, I have made huge accomplishments in the last three years it took work and required help and it's still an ongoing process and I would rather not take the next step until I finish the step I am on. I assume most people are like you abeled bodied and fully functional with no understanding or empathy for anyone who you disagree with.

@WeighedDown You know absolutely nothing about me or my life, so don't presume that you do.

@4meAndyou is that not what you did to me? [quote]Yes, I understand you quite well. You would rather whine than seek the help you need personally, and you assume that everyone else is just like you. If something is hard, you don't want to do it.[/quote] you should practice what you preach or stop preaching