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TheunderdogofNY · 36-40, M
They're not. If poor people are so affected by this then the state(s) with those affected need to make it easier for them to get IDs or create an alternative form of Identification that is acceptable in order to prove who you are.
I never understood this at all. You can't even get a job without an ID at least on the books. There's so much you cannot do without an ID.
I'm not making excuses for grown ass people sorry.
I never understood this at all. You can't even get a job without an ID at least on the books. There's so much you cannot do without an ID.
I'm not making excuses for grown ass people sorry.
Groofydorkgerdo · 56-60, M
@TheunderdogofNY Some states, California, will pay for an I.D. through there welfare programs.
That was how I got my California I.D.; I was on the foodstamp thingie.
That was how I got my California I.D.; I was on the foodstamp thingie.
WeighedDown · 36-40, M
@TheunderdogofNY why would my red state do anything to increase blue votes? Poor people usually vote blue They won't fix it
TheunderdogofNY · 36-40, M
@Pherick I don't know if it is I haven't encountered that. If a city or town is intentionally making it difficult for regular people to get a state ID then there needs to be an investigation with actual findings and evidence.
This would ideally be done by a third party.
But even if that's the case you still need a ID to get a job. So that doesn't make any logical sense to do so.
You can't get an ID so you can't get a job. Then you have to be on welfare and section 8 which apparently you're a terrible person if you NEED to be on it.
Doing all of that to suppress voters? Possible. Stupid but possible.
This would ideally be done by a third party.
But even if that's the case you still need a ID to get a job. So that doesn't make any logical sense to do so.
You can't get an ID so you can't get a job. Then you have to be on welfare and section 8 which apparently you're a terrible person if you NEED to be on it.
Doing all of that to suppress voters? Possible. Stupid but possible.
TheunderdogofNY · 36-40, M
@WeighedDown because they have an obligation to it's residents. Perhaps the feds should step in. In situations where voter fraud is suspected and ignored at the state level then it needs to go higher.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@TheunderdogofNY https://www.snopes.com/news/2015/10/01/alabama-drivers-license/
[quote]On 1 October 2015 the web site Raw Story published an article titled “Alabama to stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties with 75% black registered voters,” reporting:
The state of Alabama, which requires a photo ID to vote, announced this week that it would stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties where 75 percent of registered voters are black.
Due to budget cuts, Alabama Law Enforcement Agency said that 31 satellite DMV offices would no longer have access to driver’s licenses examiners, meaning that residents will need to travel to other counties to apply for licenses. The move comes just one year after the state’s voter photo ID law went into effect.
That article primarily comprised quotes excerpted from a 30 September 2015 Alabama Media Group op-ed titled “Alabama sends message: We are too broke to care about right and wrong.” That editorial held that irrespective of lawmaker intent, the closure of driver license bureaus in eight out of 10 predominantly black counties (Macon, Greene, Sumter, Lowndes, Bullock, Perry, Wilcox, Dallas, Hale, and Montgomery) would usher in a de facto suppression of black votes:
All but Dallas and Montgomery will be closed.
Closed. In a state in which driver licenses or special photo IDs are a requirement for voting … Every single county in which blacks make up more than 75 percent of registered voters will see their driver license office closed. Every one … Look at the 15 counties that voted for President Barack Obama in the last presidential election. The state just decided to close driver license offices in 53 percent of them.
Look at the five counties that voted most solidly Democratic? Macon, Greene, Sumter, Lowndes and Bullock counties all had their driver license offices closed.
Look at the 10 that voted most solidly for Obama? Of those, eight – again all but Dallas and the state capital of Montgomery – had their offices closed.
Closed.
The editorial further noted that Alabama’s controversial voter ID law went into effect in 2014 after its passage in 2011, amid objections that the provisions disproportionately affected black voters. An article published on 24 November 2014 cited subsequent lower voter turnout as a potential outcome of the law:[/quote]
[quote]On 1 October 2015 the web site Raw Story published an article titled “Alabama to stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties with 75% black registered voters,” reporting:
The state of Alabama, which requires a photo ID to vote, announced this week that it would stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties where 75 percent of registered voters are black.
Due to budget cuts, Alabama Law Enforcement Agency said that 31 satellite DMV offices would no longer have access to driver’s licenses examiners, meaning that residents will need to travel to other counties to apply for licenses. The move comes just one year after the state’s voter photo ID law went into effect.
That article primarily comprised quotes excerpted from a 30 September 2015 Alabama Media Group op-ed titled “Alabama sends message: We are too broke to care about right and wrong.” That editorial held that irrespective of lawmaker intent, the closure of driver license bureaus in eight out of 10 predominantly black counties (Macon, Greene, Sumter, Lowndes, Bullock, Perry, Wilcox, Dallas, Hale, and Montgomery) would usher in a de facto suppression of black votes:
All but Dallas and Montgomery will be closed.
Closed. In a state in which driver licenses or special photo IDs are a requirement for voting … Every single county in which blacks make up more than 75 percent of registered voters will see their driver license office closed. Every one … Look at the 15 counties that voted for President Barack Obama in the last presidential election. The state just decided to close driver license offices in 53 percent of them.
Look at the five counties that voted most solidly Democratic? Macon, Greene, Sumter, Lowndes and Bullock counties all had their driver license offices closed.
Look at the 10 that voted most solidly for Obama? Of those, eight – again all but Dallas and the state capital of Montgomery – had their offices closed.
Closed.
The editorial further noted that Alabama’s controversial voter ID law went into effect in 2014 after its passage in 2011, amid objections that the provisions disproportionately affected black voters. An article published on 24 November 2014 cited subsequent lower voter turnout as a potential outcome of the law:[/quote]
TheunderdogofNY · 36-40, M
@Pherick I wouldn't consider snopes the most credible source. But if it's an economic situation then I suppose you have to do what you have to do.
Should there be an investigation because of the implied voter suppression? Yes.
The community needs to call for that to happen. The feds need to respond. Investigations or taking away federal funding. Anything else would be highly suspicious.
Governments that go unchecked by it's citizens (local, state or federal) are a danger to us all.
https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/312055-feds-closing-driver-license-offices-in-alabama-violates-civil-rights
Federal transportation officials have concluded that proposed closures and service reductions at certain driver's license offices in Alabama would underserve the African-American community and violate the Civil Rights Act.
The Department of Transportation (DOT) and Alabama Law Enforcement Agency (ALEA) have thus reached an agreement to ensure that all Alabama residents have access to driver's licensing programs, regardless of race, color or national origin, federal officials announced Wednesday.
"DMVs play a critical role in the day-to-day functioning of the American people, including ensuring their ability to drive to work and other essential services and to get proper identification needed to vote or open a bank account," Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx said in a statement.
"No one should be prevented from accessing these services based on their race, color or national origin."
Alabama announced last year plans to close or reduce service at 31 driver's license offices throughout the state. But federal transportation authorities opened an investigation after a preliminary analysis suggested that the proposed closures would disproportionately impact African-American residents in the state's "Black Belt" region, a stretch of counties in southern Alabama from the Georgia to Mississippi borders.
Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act prohibits entities that receive federal funding from discriminating on the basis of race, color or national origin in their programs and activities. Both the state of Alabama and its law enforcement agency receive federal assistance from the DOT.
The probe found that African-Americans in the Black Belt region are disproportionately underserved by ALEA's driver's licensing services, causing "a disparate and adverse impact on the basis of race, in violation of Title VI."
Should there be an investigation because of the implied voter suppression? Yes.
The community needs to call for that to happen. The feds need to respond. Investigations or taking away federal funding. Anything else would be highly suspicious.
Governments that go unchecked by it's citizens (local, state or federal) are a danger to us all.
https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/312055-feds-closing-driver-license-offices-in-alabama-violates-civil-rights
Federal transportation officials have concluded that proposed closures and service reductions at certain driver's license offices in Alabama would underserve the African-American community and violate the Civil Rights Act.
The Department of Transportation (DOT) and Alabama Law Enforcement Agency (ALEA) have thus reached an agreement to ensure that all Alabama residents have access to driver's licensing programs, regardless of race, color or national origin, federal officials announced Wednesday.
"DMVs play a critical role in the day-to-day functioning of the American people, including ensuring their ability to drive to work and other essential services and to get proper identification needed to vote or open a bank account," Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx said in a statement.
"No one should be prevented from accessing these services based on their race, color or national origin."
Alabama announced last year plans to close or reduce service at 31 driver's license offices throughout the state. But federal transportation authorities opened an investigation after a preliminary analysis suggested that the proposed closures would disproportionately impact African-American residents in the state's "Black Belt" region, a stretch of counties in southern Alabama from the Georgia to Mississippi borders.
Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act prohibits entities that receive federal funding from discriminating on the basis of race, color or national origin in their programs and activities. Both the state of Alabama and its law enforcement agency receive federal assistance from the DOT.
The probe found that African-Americans in the Black Belt region are disproportionately underserved by ALEA's driver's licensing services, causing "a disparate and adverse impact on the basis of race, in violation of Title VI."
WeighedDown · 36-40, M
@TheunderdogofNY snopes is literally a fact-checking website you don't consider it legitimate because you don't agree with what it says
TheunderdogofNY · 36-40, M
@WeighedDown Fam you don't even know me. You didn't even ask why I thought that. You just assumed for whatever reason made sense to you without having all the information to make that assertion. Disappointing.
WeighedDown · 36-40, M
@TheunderdogofNY what about msnbc http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/alabama-dmv-closings-draw-call-federal-voting-rights-probe/amp how about the Washington post
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/05/how-alabama-will-save-11-million-but-undermine-the-voter-id-cause/?utm_term=.d2de0b57d0d0
So many more news publications covered it look it up
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/05/how-alabama-will-save-11-million-but-undermine-the-voter-id-cause/?utm_term=.d2de0b57d0d0
So many more news publications covered it look it up
WeighedDown · 36-40, M
@TheunderdogofNY I did assume you were like most the others my bad, it don't change the fact that this made the news everywhere when it happened well everywhere but fox