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SteelHands · 61-69, M
The real racists are the ones that spread lies about ppl being too inept to hold identification if they're poor, and that mostly only black ppl are the poor ppl.
That shows how racist they are. The picture in their head of a poor person is like this:
1. Someone who can't find the dmv.
2. Someone who can't find social services.
3. Someone whos too stupid to write.
4. Someone whos never had 20 dollars.
5. Someone that's got tan or brown skin.
And even if there is some people like that it's millions of ppl.
Now that's some racist sht bro. Lol
That shows how racist they are. The picture in their head of a poor person is like this:
1. Someone who can't find the dmv.
2. Someone who can't find social services.
3. Someone whos too stupid to write.
4. Someone whos never had 20 dollars.
5. Someone that's got tan or brown skin.
And even if there is some people like that it's millions of ppl.
Now that's some racist sht bro. Lol
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@SteelHands The stats show that a disproportionate percentage of black and brown people are poor, does that make the facts "racist"? Also,
1. It can be pretty damn hard to "find the dmv" if there isn't one within a 100 mile radius of where you live.
2. See #1.
3. Of course when you write some place like the DMV it's a sure thing that you're going to get any response, particularly a timely one.
4. People who don't have $20 still have the right to vote.
5. See the top.
Now maybe not everyone that supports voter ID laws is a racist, some are just ignorant or perhaps overcome with an irrational fear of, idk, illegal aliens, kids under 18, repeat voters, or some other somehow illegitimate group swinging elections to Democrats; however, studies have shown that the effects of voter ID laws put poor people and minorities at unfair disadvantages. And that's not even counting the people that are deterred from even attempting to register to vote because of such laws.
1. It can be pretty damn hard to "find the dmv" if there isn't one within a 100 mile radius of where you live.
2. See #1.
3. Of course when you write some place like the DMV it's a sure thing that you're going to get any response, particularly a timely one.
4. People who don't have $20 still have the right to vote.
5. See the top.
Now maybe not everyone that supports voter ID laws is a racist, some are just ignorant or perhaps overcome with an irrational fear of, idk, illegal aliens, kids under 18, repeat voters, or some other somehow illegitimate group swinging elections to Democrats; however, studies have shown that the effects of voter ID laws put poor people and minorities at unfair disadvantages. And that's not even counting the people that are deterred from even attempting to register to vote because of such laws.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
Asking nothing of one who holds no obligations to any while forcing them to accept a gift only creates contempt by taking away their free conscience.
The right to vote is inalienable. The free ride to the poll, the pretense of friendship and encouragement to the plight of homeless people to not need identification or an address is a blight upon a blight.
Just speaking about them in terms of pretending their relevancy and broadcasting their race is the majority of homeless people is not just false, it's disgustingly racist.
The right to vote is inalienable. The free ride to the poll, the pretense of friendship and encouragement to the plight of homeless people to not need identification or an address is a blight upon a blight.
Just speaking about them in terms of pretending their relevancy and broadcasting their race is the majority of homeless people is not just false, it's disgustingly racist.
JP1119 · 36-40, M
[quote]Asking nothing of one who holds no obligations to any while forcing them to accept a gift only creates contempt by taking away their free conscience.[/quote] Huh? Who holds no obligations to any? Who’s “forcing” them to accept what gift?
The first sentence of the second paragraph is the only one in your whole comment that makes sense to me. [i]Nobody[/i] needed an ID or address to vote before these stupid voter ID laws popped up, so no, nobody’s just pretending to be homeless people’s friends by not wanting that to change or by wanting to go back to the way things were.
As I stated in my previous comment, the stats show that a disproportionate percentage of Americans below the poverty line are black or Hispanic, though I’m not sure whether or not it’s a majority of those in poverty. Again, does that make the [i]facts[/i] “disgustingly racist”? You know colorblindness, pretending like you can’t see someone’s race or that it doesn’t matter, is the worst kind of racism.
The first sentence of the second paragraph is the only one in your whole comment that makes sense to me. [i]Nobody[/i] needed an ID or address to vote before these stupid voter ID laws popped up, so no, nobody’s just pretending to be homeless people’s friends by not wanting that to change or by wanting to go back to the way things were.
As I stated in my previous comment, the stats show that a disproportionate percentage of Americans below the poverty line are black or Hispanic, though I’m not sure whether or not it’s a majority of those in poverty. Again, does that make the [i]facts[/i] “disgustingly racist”? You know colorblindness, pretending like you can’t see someone’s race or that it doesn’t matter, is the worst kind of racism.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@JP1119 Who wants me or anyone to believe these lies of yours and why?
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@SteelHands What lies? I’ve told no lies. I hope people recognize the truth of what I’m saying so we don’t continue to support bad policy that disenfranchises the most vulnerable among us and further over represents those that are already wealthy and powerful. That’s what voter ID is really about, further tightening the wealthiest 0.1%’s grip on the balls of American democracy and silencing those most likely to vote against it. So show me one “lie” I’ve told and provide some evidence that it’s untrue.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@JP1119 Let's begin with your lie that claims voter ID laws grant increased power to the top 1%.
Since the shrinking middle class outnumbers them by hundreds of millions that lie is easily seen for the false statement it is.
I will also make a point of saying that referring to persons that are low income or poor as lacking the means to obtain an ID card is also a lie.
To say that a substantial number of voters is out there that lack any identification is a half baked lie.
And referring to obstinate people that occasionally become homeless, but the bulk of them often choose not to play by any civilized standards like ownership of ID is also total bullshit.
Then selling your pack of lies because you claim that the majority isn't aware how these false notions are used to shift election results, driven by compassion and concern is unmitigated whale shit.
Since the shrinking middle class outnumbers them by hundreds of millions that lie is easily seen for the false statement it is.
I will also make a point of saying that referring to persons that are low income or poor as lacking the means to obtain an ID card is also a lie.
To say that a substantial number of voters is out there that lack any identification is a half baked lie.
And referring to obstinate people that occasionally become homeless, but the bulk of them often choose not to play by any civilized standards like ownership of ID is also total bullshit.
Then selling your pack of lies because you claim that the majority isn't aware how these false notions are used to shift election results, driven by compassion and concern is unmitigated whale shit.
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@SteelHands The first one of those is the only one I more or less said, and even then it's in an indirect way. Voter ID laws indirectly result in the the very wealthiest consolidating their power because it removes a significant check to their power, that being the votes of a group of people primarily in polar opposite financial circumstances. You claim that's easily seen as a lie because the shrinking middle class outnumbers them by "hundreds of millions". First of all, the US total population is only 329,402,444 according to United Nations estimates as of yesterday, so it's safe to say the shrinking middle class does not outnumber the very wealthiest by quite that much. Next, voter ID laws primarily affect the very poor and minorities. Do you think the poor and minorities tend to favor candidates or policies that result in the very wealthiest of all consolidating their power? If not, then disenfranchising them would obviously take us a step (we can debate how big or small that step is) in the direction of the very wealthiest getting more power and, more importantly, tightening their grip on the power they already have, so they don't have to worry about losing it however badly they misbehave; thus, my statement is true.
My argument was never that poor people lack the means to obtain a voter ID card, it was that it it's a major inconvenience for many of them to obtain one. I imagine your knee-jerk response is, "Hahaha, we all have to deal with inconveniences, that's no excuse for not getting one, they have the means!" To which I would pose this hypothetical: imagine we passed a law that said that in order to vote you had to cut off your left arm. Would you do it? Well why not?! You have the [i]means[/i]!! Now that was an extreme example, but I already outlined in my above comment some of the prohibitive inconveniences poor people frequently face when considering getting ID cards: long distance to travel, have to take off work, have to pay for transportation, etc. All that to be able to cast your one vote that, by itself, hasn't a snowball's chance in hades of swinging any but some podunk town's local election anyway. Participation in American elections ranks as some of the worst among developed countries already, and then we've got assholes like you that want to make it even harder/less worthwhile for poor people to cast a vote.
To be fair, it's pretty hard to measure with a significant degree of accuracy how many potential voters that lack ID are out there, but I'll grant you it's probably in the low single digit percentage of the electorate; however, depending what state you're in, that can still be tens of thousands of potential voters being affected by the voter ID law.
I'm not exactly clear what you're trying to say in your last two paragraphs, but it kinda seems like it's just your own personal cynical hunch that the only reason that anyone is poor or lacking an ID card is because they're lazy or irresponsible. Doesn't make sense to me to begin with and you've provided no evidence nor even logical arguments to make it seem any more likely to be true.
My argument was never that poor people lack the means to obtain a voter ID card, it was that it it's a major inconvenience for many of them to obtain one. I imagine your knee-jerk response is, "Hahaha, we all have to deal with inconveniences, that's no excuse for not getting one, they have the means!" To which I would pose this hypothetical: imagine we passed a law that said that in order to vote you had to cut off your left arm. Would you do it? Well why not?! You have the [i]means[/i]!! Now that was an extreme example, but I already outlined in my above comment some of the prohibitive inconveniences poor people frequently face when considering getting ID cards: long distance to travel, have to take off work, have to pay for transportation, etc. All that to be able to cast your one vote that, by itself, hasn't a snowball's chance in hades of swinging any but some podunk town's local election anyway. Participation in American elections ranks as some of the worst among developed countries already, and then we've got assholes like you that want to make it even harder/less worthwhile for poor people to cast a vote.
To be fair, it's pretty hard to measure with a significant degree of accuracy how many potential voters that lack ID are out there, but I'll grant you it's probably in the low single digit percentage of the electorate; however, depending what state you're in, that can still be tens of thousands of potential voters being affected by the voter ID law.
I'm not exactly clear what you're trying to say in your last two paragraphs, but it kinda seems like it's just your own personal cynical hunch that the only reason that anyone is poor or lacking an ID card is because they're lazy or irresponsible. Doesn't make sense to me to begin with and you've provided no evidence nor even logical arguments to make it seem any more likely to be true.