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So The Uvalde shooter, Salvador Ramos, was bullied in school.

This is sad. Another senseless tragedy because people were mean to someone for no reason. The article says he was bullied because he was poor.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/us/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-salvador-ramos/index.html

Maybe his act was a cry for help that can show us that starting in elementary school, people need to watch out for others getting bullied.

eta- i am not justifying his actions or making excuses for him. i am merely trying to make sense of a senseless act
Lilymoon · F
I don't buy that. Plenty of kids get bullied and they don't go on a shooting spree.
Paladin · 61-69, M
@Lilymoon I was just typing up the same exact response.
You beat me to it.
Paladin · 61-69, M
@Penny Bullying has been going on for ever. School shootings are a fairly new occurrence. No, I believe there is something else at play here.
Penny · 46-50, F
@Paladin you do have a point, but, then there werent things like xbox and movies glorifying gun violence as well as easier access to money and guns. people are more stressed nowadays too. plus they have more examples to follow.
Rickg · 31-35, M
I think that’s why we need to focus on the root causes of violence

Gun control would help and I'm not against it, that some unstable person can’t just grab a semi auto rifle on a whim, but it wont eliminate the violence going on in the united states
The guns aren’t causing people to become violent

Personal possession of firearms is still legal in a lot of countries
But they don’t have the degree of violence like the unites states

I doubt it would even be possible for the government to get control of all the weapons floating around in the US

And even if they could, There’s other ways to kill lots people, get a car and run a bunch of people over, build a makeshift bomb, stab a bunch of people

Honestly I think a big step in the right direction is just to be more compassionate to others
If a kid isn’t fitting in or talking to anyone, just take the time to talk to him or her and try to include them
Instead of just mocking them or calling them a creep or whatever
Or just don't be so judgemental of people and be willing to listen to their views
Just some examples I could think of

It’s always easy to just sit back and demand the government fix everything that’s wrong with society
But I think we can do a lot to change things
I have to work on being more compassionate myself and taking more time for other people
So I get it
Anyway
Long winded but just some my thoughts on this
Penny · 46-50, F
@Rickg yeah bullying others for no good reason is sad. then again, what im finding out on here after making this post is that some people may deserve it. so the people who are saying who knows could be right. maybe he provoked them somehow. anyway, yeah. i always stand up to bullies in school. i made my best friend in high school standing up for him against a bully.
Rickg · 31-35, M
@Penny that’s good to hear
just how poor was he?. hed just recently purchased a truck and 2x rifles + enough ammo to take on NK...

more ca$h than i have and i work 40hrs a week.

Questions need answering from law enforment!..
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Makes a good story, but who knows. I recently saw a short article about the Columbine shooters, who at the time were widely referred to as "bullied" in the media, but supposedly were later found to be bullies themselves. Who knows?
Chickie · F
@ChipmunkErnie exactly maybe the kid was already doing horrible shit like killing animals before he got "bullied"
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
I was a very small child, and I was bullied mercilessly. It never occurred to me as a teen to go to an elementary school and retaliate against 4th graders. There is no excuse for this because he was bullied. I grew up with a number of kids who had been bullied, had abusive or drug or alcohol addicted parents, none of us shot up a school or church. Because someone had a bad or tough childhood, that isn't a reason to mitigate what they themselves do.
Penny · 46-50, F
@Roadsterrider yet again i am not saying he had good reason or making excuses for him, at the same time though, he is not you. just becasue you handle things a certain way doesnt mean someone else will do the same. sorry i am just getting these redundant posts
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@Penny "He was bullied and that is why this he did it" is justification for his actions. it alleviates him of responsibility for his actions, in other words, it is the bully's fault. He wanted to lash out because he was bullied maybe, or because he was poor, or for whatever reason, he became the bully except instead of picking on kids, he killed them. He is responsible for his actions.
Penny · 46-50, F
@Roadsterrider no. it just means maybe this is what provoked him to do it
Lots of kids get bullied which is sad, but that's no excuse to get trigger happy
SW-User
💯 Truth.@BeefySenpie
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Being poor or being bullied is no excuse.

He wasn’t bullied by the kids he killed .
Penny · 46-50, F
@AthrillatheHunt does it sound like im saying it is an excuse? besides he doesnt need an excuse they killed him
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Penny no you are not making excuses. I I didn’t think you were.
According to a live interview I saw with a person who knew him in school that's not true..
He said that the kid wasn't bullied at all and that those reports were wrong.
He said the guy was himself a kind of bully who hurt animals.. but he wasn't bullied by anyone
Penny · 46-50, F
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Onestarlitnight People lie and it is logical to make the shooter out as the guy was always bad and everyone else was a saint. The fact is the shooter had no reason to go shoot up the elementary school if he was a bully. He would have shot up the high school. He shot up the elementary school because that is where he associated all of his problems with.
4meAndyou · F
Having read your comments to other people, Penny, I would like to mention something you haven't considered.

There is brand new research out there that points directly to the new stronger WEED, which has such high levels of THC that it has been shown to twist the still forming brains of teenagers into psychosis or schizophrenia.

This murderer loved to smoke weed. He told one of his online buddies that he hated both his mother and his grandmother because they did NOT want him to smoke weed.

His mother was a drug addict. BOTH parents were absent from his life. His grandfather was a criminal who had served time.

I would just like to gently suggest that in addition to the psychotic effects of hyper strong THC, the genetics of this family were flawed to begin with. If you have "tendencies" running in the family, and then you are socked with an environment of neglect.

People weren't mean to this kid for no reason. His behaviors were always off-putting, strange, and even scary...like when he began to cut his own face and told people that it felt good.

This kid HAD a job at one time...and didn't keep it. He was poor because he was spending his money on weed.
Catzgano · 31-35, F
@4meAndyou republicans just want to blame it on anything but guns an ammunition 😂
4meAndyou · F
@Catzgano Short sighted folks just don't get it. The guns and ammo don't shoot themselves. You've got to have some nut out there pulling the trigger.

I wouldn't have a gun in my home for ANY reason. But that doesn't mean I am too stupid to realize what is causing these shooters to perform mass shootings...or hit mothers and babies with their cars...or throw people off the subway platforms...or walk up behind innocent teenagers and just stab them in the back.

In ALL of the above instances, the problem is the sick little cuck who is performing that action.
Repete · 61-69, M
Bullying is never a good enough reason to take a gun and enough ammunition to kill everyone in the school . It was senseless . Some say he was bullied for being poor I don’t think he was very poor if he could buy all that stuff . I don’t know and we will never know why he did this but the blame is on him in my opinion. In schools today we teach the kids are never wrong ( they just see things differently) .
I've asked myself that same question. @Repete
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Repete He killed those kids because they represented his tormentors when he was a student at that school. If you notice, the victims were all smart kids and he was on the dumb side. So, he made a vow when he was a kid there that he would come back one day and get even with them. In his mind, they were just like the kids who had bullied him.

You see that scenario all the time in old western movies, where the White people hate the Indians for incidents that happened a long time ago. So, the Whites take it out on the Indians who had nothing to do with the earlier incidents. All the see is people they hate, even if they had never done anything to them. That is what motivated the shooter.
That's what happens when feelings get out of control. When someone feels like crap long enough. @Diotrephes
There’s apparently much more to this shooting than we’re being told. And very likely we’ll never know.
robb65 · 56-60, M
@Penny I keep hearing "new" details that contradict previous details. At this point it's still hard to know what's accurate and who is just repeating something they heard somewhere. Right now everyone seems mostly to be focused on the screw ups made by law enforcement.
Penny · 46-50, F
@robb65 maybe schools ought to be locked from now on during school hours. why not right?
robb65 · 56-60, M
@Penny Supposedly the lock didn't catch when the teacher closed the door. I heard a rumor today that the shooter had at some point talked to the officer stationed at the school. IDK if that is true but he may have known there was only one officer and sometimes he left to run errands. Who knows, he may have even known that there was a problem with the locks.
Wantingwidow · 56-60, F
I want to know where an unemployed person his age got all the money for what he had with him
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@Wantingwidow I heard he worked at a Wendy's
@Wantingwidow WAS poor as a child.
Sorry but i have to call bullshit on your comment. There is no excuse for what he did. Lots are bullied...but they don't blow the faces off of children. Standing up for what he did...trying to justify it is ridiculous and completely uncaring for those kids and their families.
@Penny Ya think it might be your 3rd paragraph?? DUH!!!

He was builied...he was poor. Where did you stop making excuses for him?
Penny · 46-50, F
@uncalled4 yes cause/effect. not justification lol. just perhaps reason why. just trying ot make sense of it. it is very sad
Penny · 46-50, F
@anythingoes477 saying its a cry for help does not say he was justified. id call you a moron but i dont want to be accused of bullying you
@Penny You are jumping to conclusions about what I think. What I said is we don’t know all the facts. Very likely we never will. Saying that does not mean I think he was put up to it.
You ask why he would do that? We’ll see how long before or if that question can be answered for certain.
Repete · 61-69, M
Really that question can’t be answered because he is dead , we may come up with an educated guess but only he really knew.@soar2newhighs
@Repete True, and as I said, “if” because he was reportedly shot and killed.
plenty ppl been bullied over the decades. and guns have been available the whole time..
why hasnt there been school shootings for 100 years. instead of around the time Obumbles became president?.
Catzgano · 31-35, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout there were school shootings just not as many
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout
Because the mass medication of children began in the early nineties and school shootings have exploded exponentially ever since
LunarOrbit · 56-60, M
He abused animals. He was a sick fuk
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
Wasn't everyone bullied at one time or another? When I was little, the bigger girls picked on us, so we just avoided them whenever possible. I don't understand the reasoning behind retaliating against innocent victims sometimes years after the fact. These people are mentally ill, and if they can't get a gun, they will resort to bombs, poisons , or some other diabolical scheme!
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@SomeMichGuy Isn't that an opinion? To some " full-on bullying" might be an insult, and bother them intensely, while others can shake it off. It depends a lot on an individuals' mental stability.
I read an article about the Columbine shooters that stated they were in some kind of outcast group. But yeah it's speculation. @fanuc2013
@fanuc2013 I'm pointing out that there is a continuum of people messing with you, from very minor things to what *you* characterized as "being picked on" to "bullying". Your choice of words implied that it was not the same.
Reject · 26-30, M
There’s no stopping bullying unfortunately. Kids will be kids. Even if you’re lucky enough to attend a school with the highest security, those bullies will find you outside of it.
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
He was 18, if he shot up his own highschool, I could kind of understand where he was coming from. But to shoot a bunch of 7-10 year olds who never did him harm...
Penny · 46-50, F
Maybe his act was a cry for help that can show us that starting in elementary school, people need to watch out for others getting bullied.
ProfessorPlum77 · 70-79, MVIP
He was poor and yet was able to buy TWO rifles that cost about $1500 per rifle, as of a few years ago? No sale!!!
Penny · 46-50, F
@ProfessorPlum77 he grew up in a poor family it seems like. he had a job.
ProfessorPlum77 · 70-79, MVIP
@Penny OK. Maybe he bought them on credit.
nedkelly · 61-69, M
Millions of children are bullied and poor, they do not do mass shootings
Penny · 46-50, F
@nedkelly some people are more sensitive
eta- plus he was an Xbox player
Gusman · 61-69, M
@nedkelly Every person is different.
Being bullied constantly can completely overwhelm some people. They finally are broken and their only outlet is to lash out.
If those being bullied are ignored/shunned then they feel unwanted, despised.
We can be thankful that not all those who were constantly bullied have ready access to weapons.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
Plenty of people are bullied, sometimes sadistically, and don't kill anyone. It was unfortunate that it happened, but that is not a justification.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@uncalled4 Plenty of people kill their spouses and kids when going through divorces and custody battles. Plenty of people shoot others in road rage incidents. One person slapped another on the stage at the Academy Awards. We all have things that will push us over the edge and it can be a fatal mistake to think that the other person is sane and in control of his emotions.

The shooter obviously intended to shoot someone and the argument with his grandmother pushed him to do it.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@Diotrephes I'm a divorced guy, so I can empathize. And I also didn't shoot anyone over it. But you're correct, we got a lot of people who aren't wrapped too tight. They get access to weapons and well.....
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@uncalled4 Those situations are tough and they can go very bad when the wrong things are said.

Here's an article that sheds light on how past experiences can cause serious problems in the future =

The Unconscious Vows We Make to Ourselves So the World Can’t Hurt Us
https://tinybuddha.com/blog/the-unconscious-vows-we-make-to-ourselves-so-the-world-cant-hurt-us/

Imagine the vows the shooter made to himself years ago.
@PennyOne item: why is the Uvalde P.D. not cooperating in the investigation?
That is not speculation. That was widely reported.
As for the article, I wasn’t specifically referring to it and their report of Ramos being bullied. My comment was/is general. Again, I re- iterate and it’s my feeling there is much more we don’t know and probably won’t get to know.
Penny · 46-50, F
@soar2newhighs you think someone put him up to it?? why the hell would they do that?
Budwick · 70-79, M
Bullying may have been a contributing factor.
We can't say that it was the cause.
The shooter had a history of being,... unbalanced.
There were lot's of red flags.
Bleeding heart liberal regulations prevented them from being reported.
He was a whack-a-doodle and should have been confined while being evaluated.
Not doing so is what cost those babies their lives.
I mean being bullied sucks. But the only way I can see this having any impact at all is that he lived in a country where mental health services are a privilege for the well off.

But it is the toxic right wing gun culture that teaches people like this they can solve the problem with a hail of bullets.
Pfuzylogic · M
I think he cut cat whiskers too 🙀
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
All the more reason to sell AR-15s to children.
Bullying ppl for something they can't control...those bullies are even more heinous than other bullies...
Chickie · F
Nobody is going to feel sorry for him because he was bullied. Him killing others loved ones does not justify what he did.
Penny · 46-50, F
@Chickie i am not justifying his actions. im just trying to figure out why he might have done what he did. of course we are all looking for something to blame
Chickie · F
@Penny because he's a psychopath and a piece of shit. It's not surprising, humans are bad by nature.
Penny · 46-50, F
@Chickie i dont like to think that but i guess its true its all in the attitude one takes and some people just have a bad attitude
InHeaven · F
Ofcourse, the article will say that...its CNN article
Penny · 46-50, F
@InHeaven the article didnt say that. it did say he was bullied though going by what his classmates said
InHeaven · F
@Penny ya, that’s what I said
pancakeslam · 41-45, M
everyone knows this is a particularly cruel nation
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Penny · 46-50, F
@RogueLoner the fact that he is a minority doesnt matter. why do people have to always drag race into everything?
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