Pro choice women here, a question

@Fungirlmmm much respect to you for that answer. I think its very smart to have that conversation before intimacy to know each others position on this so both parties know what to expect and if they can agree with it.
I do however think fathers should take care of the finances unless if separated. and finances should be equally shared depending on the custody agreement. If its joint, it should be equal and if its part time, fathers should put in i would say 3/4 of the finances.

@Torsten I wouldn't turn it down, but I am a woman that is friends with all but one man that I have previously dated. So when I say I would find a way I would and I would also try everything possible not to go to court. If I have given that part of myself to him I know he is a good man. Many do not think about things other than physical and they end up stuck with incompatible parenting partners. I am about a person's heart and soul

@Fungirlmmm well that just shows you are way more intelligent than so many people to think in such a way and when it comes to intimacy you think of way more than the physical side f things and to also avoid court as much as possible.
A very rare type of woman indeed and anyone lucky enough to be with you, has basically won the jackpot

@Girlbehindthecurtain very reasonable.
Ahh yes there definitely is women out there who "accidently" get pregnant to rich athletes haha

@Torsten

@PatKirby that would be more logical than the explanation they would actually give haha

@Torsten so it’s women’s fault that men cannot control themselves or actually use a condom?

@meJess it is when a women is careless and takes no responsibility for what enters her body. Its just as much fault the womens as it is the mens.

Lol
Some women...

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@BlueVeins hate to disappoint you but we are not in agreement. I dont think fathers or mothers should be able to get out of their responsibilities. They got themselves in that situation by being careless and they should be held accountable for it.
This post was about seeing if pro choice women feel the same about men getting equal treatment here and to those that commented credit, they were all pretty fair about it. Props to them but that doesnt mean i agree with it

@Torsten I don’t believe in state mandated birth, so I understand why my beliefs confuse you.

I certainly agree men should be more careful who they sleep with, though.

@Torsten I appreciate the civil dialogue as well. Thank you for that.

I have no quarrel with someone being against abortion. I would not have wanted to abort a third child with my wife despite, to be frank, the financial strain it would have caused.

I just cannot support the State forcing a woman to give birth against her will. I find that distopic. It’s a nightmare to me that a raped woman would need to endure birth at the threat of criminal charges against her for murder.

I express my view his way not to judge yours, or to try to convince you, but to express how I arrived at my conclusion. I have seen the fetus in utero. I have seen the horrific images, I do not pretend a fetus is a “clump of cells” in order to rationalize my opinion.

To me, the alternative is worse and is happening now.

I wish you well…

@Torsten ok so yes the role of a male father figure is very important for children unfortunately given the many military endeavors of this American nation. The male father is likely to be in active duty protecting the interests and security of the next generation, in that case likely to be absent to a developing child. The calming support and security of a male figures' especially with mlitary experience: is therefore 3 fold.
1 sociofamilial 2. Economic, 3 societally/biological accuracy. If that male figure were to die serving their country. A mothers' family/friends would be solely responsible for meeting that childs' parenting needs. The male role of providor protector and advice giver/emotional champion therefore is of dire importance to a childs overall well being.

@exchrist sorry but you can not just replace a parent. The situation you just presented basically implies that a parent if dead can just be replaced by other family members or friends. that is not the case in the slightest

@exchrist therefore the biological father were somehow removed from the equadtion. A male family member (brother,cousin, family friend) could step in to fill that role. In which case said father figure would have minimal financial responsibility for that offspring. Certainly such a figure WOULD be expected to model the role of a responsible and present male father. Given the obvious truth behind a biologically male/female parental unit. @Torsten
I think im not getting the question still if a biological father were to surrendor all financial responsibility to an offspring. The mother had the kid. Now the father has no familial role nor financial responsible?
Therefore lets say the mother dies. Are you asking that the biological father then not have to take financial responsibility for that child to raise it. Or that even if a step parent had 'stepped' in the . . .

@Wales not a better question at all

@Wales well if only one life were involved I would agree with you. However there are two lives and as a Christian I am called to defend the defenseless. Nothing ore defenseless that a baby in its mother's womb.

@PepsiColaP i did. Thanks for pointing that out as i missed it. there is no law as far as i am aware that wipes all responsibility from fathers financially

@Torsten there are condoms however

@Mordechai so you would apply same logic to women and getting pregnant and taking accountability for their actions i would assume?

@ViciDraco well said that’s good.

@Torsten it’s a beautiful idealistic way of seeing things but sadly the world does not work that way.

@CrystalSkull very true the world does not work that way. It should though

@CrazyMusicLover except men are legally bound to pay financially. This whole lil act that some people like to try and pull and say that men dont have to pay child support is nonsense

@CrystalSkull both, but does it really matter?

@Torsten I think men should have rights as well. But it’s a very hard thing to work out. I don’t know what the answer is besides men getting mandatory injections that acts as contraception. Would make things so much easier. Men don’t have to carry the bullet for 9 months or be at risk of death by giving birth. It’s a woman’s body, she must have a choice to reproductive decisions that benefits her. At the same time it’s also unfair to expect a man to pay for the rest of his life if he has a one night stand and there is an accident. But if you make that law, imagine all the men who will run away and not face responsibility. It happens all the time anyway… even though “the law” says you should pay.

@CrystalSkull the law does force that upon men for sure and I agree with it. Men should be held accountable for their child/children.
Im not going to go into the abortion stuff with women cause i have made my opinion on that clear in this thread but i simply think men and women both need to be held accountable for their actions and step up to their responsibilities made from their own actions.

I respect your opinion and thanks for commenting

@OogieBoogie show me where i said you are responsible for the abuse others would inflict upon you or anyone else? You keep using personal experiences that dont happen for the majority of people but try presenting it as it is.

No, no is a mind reader but if you spend enough time around someone before being intimate wit them, you will get a better picture of who that person actually is.
But hey, I speak on experience with this also with my own mistakes and guess what, it was at the hands of a woman, not a man.
Crazy i know since most only try to ever act like men are the only abusive ones in relationships. Women are most likely just as abusive but the difference is that men will not talk about it any where near as much as women or report it.

You keep trying to seperate men and women in this conversation but the fact is when you are a adult, no matter what is between your legs, You are accountable for your own actions and are responsible by the consequences of them. If you can not handle that, too bad. It is what it is and its the same for every single adult in this world

@MountainMonk89 I know

@Torsten the most unfortunate thing is - is sex is cheapened. Its a commodity connected to everything -.self esteem, status, value.... everything. Women sell their youth for stuff - for financial security. And Men buy it.

Sex is a brand that everyone wants, and so few value....and even less know the true art and magic of😔

@OogieBoogie Blastocyst? It stops being this at four weeks. By the time women know they are pregnant, it is an embryo, a small baby.

@badlands yes, its a blastocyst, then an embyo then a foetus. In the embryonic stage the heart, nevous system and internal organs start ro form, once they have - it becomes a foetus .
Women find out they are pregnant at many different stages.
For some, its not untill its too late, for others they know within four weeks or even less.

Im not seeing your point .

Edit - but now i see your posts i get where you are coming from.

Im sorry - i believe that within better limits , women should be allowed abortion rights.
But then , i aslo believe that if they were educated better, and given better availability to healthcare - they wouldnt need to opt for abortion.

@deathfairy i did get someone pregnant, 15 years ago and i stepped up to my responsibility and have raised a amazing son.
You do have choices and they start long before abortion should even be a thought

@Torsten I was in a similar situation and took financial responsibility for my role, and was part of her life growing up. men need to step up and do the right thing. yes I am pro life and proud of it.

@needsmilk808 respect to you mate

@MethDozer think that might be one of the dumbest things i have read on this site. I cant imagine you were actually serious with that though

@Torsten

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout to my knowledge legal abortions, at least in this country, have a gestational time limit: 22 weeks.
(Which i think should be less, but who am i to dictate?)

Anything after that and you have to carry the baby to term ... unless there is a serious medical condition.

Most abortions, (like 90% or something) are carried out before 13 weeks .

You have to realize this is connected to contraception and gynecological medical services availability and cost .
Not all women have free access to these.

As i mentioned somewhere else here - there's also a massive lack of education. In some first world countries - more women are being surgically sterilized than given contraception.🤷

@OogieBoogie only woman i am actually blaming here now is you and that is for twisting words and not reading what i am actually writing.
stop with the victim act already.

I hold men and women both equally accountable when it comes to sex. Something you and some other females here seem to have trouble doing.
Yes a man should wear a condom if he doesnt want to get a woman pregnant, and yes a woman should be on birth control or make sure the man is wearing a condom before she allows him to penetrate her.
just stop acting like a child and take some damn accountability.

absolutely pathetic