Pro choice women here, a question

@OogieBoogie you're wasting your time with this one

@OogieBoogie some would will and have
I would didnt and should have. Plus i have an unrealistic number of offspring and had a brain tumor so.

@OogieBoogie a good man would

@Torsten ahhh, and therein lies the problem.

Just as bad women abound, so do bad men.

But also people who are in no right place to raise a child.
We cant forget that sometimes people are too poor, or too young, or in a violent or vulnerable place in life .

A child needs resources and time and effort .

Not everyone can supply that

@OogieBoogie you dont need to worry about bad men and what they will do when it comes to raising a child if you be more careful with who you sleep with and that goes both ways.
I agree wit you that not everyone is capable of raising a child or has the means to do it, so a easy way to prevent that is to have safe sex or no sex.
not a hard thing to grasp i think

@Torsten tell thst to the man that beat me after 15 years.
A man who said jed be there, but preferred hobbies and parties than being with his children.

No one is a mind reader .

And dont make me responsible for men who lie and chicken out of their responsibilities.

That's on them

@OogieBoogie show me where i said you are responsible for the abuse others would inflict upon you or anyone else? You keep using personal experiences that dont happen for the majority of people but try presenting it as it is.

No, no is a mind reader but if you spend enough time around someone before being intimate wit them, you will get a better picture of who that person actually is.
But hey, I speak on experience with this also with my own mistakes and guess what, it was at the hands of a woman, not a man.
Crazy i know since most only try to ever act like men are the only abusive ones in relationships. Women are most likely just as abusive but the difference is that men will not talk about it any where near as much as women or report it.

You keep trying to seperate men and women in this conversation but the fact is when you are a adult, no matter what is between your legs, You are accountable for your own actions and are responsible by the consequences of them. If you can not handle that, too bad. It is what it is and its the same for every single adult in this world