Pro choice women here, a question

@exchrist and a child has a right to a mother and a father. Maybe parents need to stop focussing so much on themselves and think of the child instead

@Torsten im prone to agree. I also think family or even close friends can take on the role of father/mother. Thus two woman are able to raise a child just as adequately as two men would. And as is often the case a single parent can be just as successful as a married/partnered pair.

@exchrist wrong. weird how some people try and diminish what it means to be a father. A woman can not be a father or replace a father, just as a man can not be a mother or replace a mother.
sure two women could raise a child but that child would always be far better off if he/she had a father and a mother raising him/her

@Torsten do you think a paternal father would be able to take on the role of one parent such as an aunt or uncle might step in.

@exchrist a father is a father, thats it. he can be a single parent and raise the child on his own but that does not also make him a mother or a aunt and whatever else.

@Torsten ok but can they also play that role or have a family member fill that role for a child?and could a mother do the same in reverse.

@exchrist not if its a woman trying to play role of father or a male trying to play the role of mother

@Torsten ok i think there are exceptions to that postulation but i agree a male to be father and female as mother is most realalistic in the sense of an accurate perspective.

@exchrist there is no exceptions to that. A father is a male role model and a mother is a female role model. Those can not be blurred

@Torsten ok i can get behind that perspective could a non biological take on that role? Family friend or brother perhaps grandparent?

@exchrist sure.

@Torsten ok so yes the role of a male father figure is very important for children unfortunately given the many military endeavors of this American nation. The male father is likely to be in active duty protecting the interests and security of the next generation, in that case likely to be absent to a developing child. The calming support and security of a male figures' especially with mlitary experience: is therefore 3 fold.
1 sociofamilial 2. Economic, 3 societally/biological accuracy. If that male figure were to die serving their country. A mothers' family/friends would be solely responsible for meeting that childs' parenting needs. The male role of providor protector and advice giver/emotional champion therefore is of dire importance to a childs overall well being.

@exchrist sorry but you can not just replace a parent. The situation you just presented basically implies that a parent if dead can just be replaced by other family members or friends. that is not the case in the slightest

@exchrist therefore the biological father were somehow removed from the equadtion. A male family member (brother,cousin, family friend) could step in to fill that role. In which case said father figure would have minimal financial responsibility for that offspring. Certainly such a figure WOULD be expected to model the role of a responsible and present male father. Given the obvious truth behind a biologically male/female parental unit. @Torsten
I think im not getting the question still if a biological father were to surrendor all financial responsibility to an offspring. The mother had the kid. Now the father has no familial role nor financial responsible?
Therefore lets say the mother dies. Are you asking that the biological father then not have to take financial responsibility for that child to raise it. Or that even if a step parent had 'stepped' in the . . .