Interesting poll of which demographics are refusing the vaccine

@4meAndyou Just like you, I'd love to have more data on the question. Because we must base our decisions on the best data available. Do you have better data?

@ElwoodBlues Polls are the wrong way to obtain medical data. Do you really want to know how many people are vaccinated and how many are unvaccinated? Allowing for those who have already had covid19, survived it without the vaccine, and now have natural immunity? Or is it more of a political issue for you?

In the United States, medical data is personal information. People don't actually need to tell anyone whether or not they have been vaccinated unless their employers mandate it. The only way to determine numbers of vaccinated are in anonymous reporting by vaccination sites and by health insurance companies who are paying for the vaccine.

And the above nonsense...breaking it down by political party, is just another load of horse pucky published to try to form false generalizations.

@4meAndyou This is opinion data. Polls are pretty good at that. And the demographic distribution of opinions is useful for addressing problems of misinformation and disinformation.

@hippyjoe1955 The only way I can think of that that might be true is if you polled Republicans maybe a little over 50% would be open to getting vaccinated. On the other hand, if you only polled people who refuse to get vaccinated, I’m pretty damn sure the vast majority of them are Republicans, conservatives, and/or Trump supporters.

I don’t know why you brought up the the perception that the Left has transitioned from anti-establishment to pro-establishment over the last several decades, but to the extent that that’s true it’s because some liberal causes have in that time been ostensibly adopted by the establishment. The infamous quote by Lee Atwater comes to mind about how now Republicans have to say “small government” and “tax cuts” instead of “forced busing” or the N word because it’s not acceptable to be overtly racist anymore.

If the government wants to kill you so damn bad, then why are they ostensibly doing it by trying to offer you poison disguised as a vaccine? Isn’t that a really convoluted method for an entity as powerful as the government?

Why isn’t the government your friend? In an ideal world the government, especially a democratic Constitutional republic like the US or Canada, would be your friend and would look out for you, wouldn’t it? The oh-so-wise Founding Fathers knew what they were doing, didn’t they? So what went wrong? I’m inclined to think you’re paranoid that people with more pigment in their skin than you have are out to get you and that they must have elected officials with malicious intent against white people. Even if you’re right, I’d rather live a shorter life believing in the basic goodness of my fellow countrymen than to believe that danger and evil are lurking around every corner like you seem to think.

@JP1119 Actually the biggest faction not getting vaxed are African Americans. They tend to vote democrat though. Strike ONE! Then there are the highly educated. Doctors and scientists also are less likely to get the jab than the working Joe who comes home every night and watches the nightly news. The highly educated tend to vote democrat too. Strike TWO! One other group that is very much against it are middle aged women. They also tend to vote democrat. Strike THREE! You and your ugly tribalism are out!

@hippyjoe1955 There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics - Mark Twain.

Dude, that’s hilarious! Do you actually believe Republicans are more likely than Democrats to get the vaccine, or are you just straight up lying and trying to fool me? You chop the numbers up and cherry pick the ones that support your narrative. The simplest and most accurate way to determine whether Democrats or Republicans are more likely to get the vaccine is to point blank ask them, “Do you have or do you intend to get the vaccine?” And Democrats are way more likely to answer that question in the affirmative.

@nedkelly The silly part in the poll is the sexist racist basis of the poll. Typical of demoncraps who are prone to racism and sexism and ageism. Kind of sad but the demoncraps and there people have a long history of it. Look at the present POTUS and his racism past and present.

@nedkelly And yet, every campaign including Trump's spends millions on internal polling and uses the results to target districts & demographics, and to fine tune messaging. If polling were useless, why would Trump use it so much?
Unless you lose on election day, in which case you ask for do-overs, pretend there was fraud, and gather a crowd to try and overthrow Congress. Trump has spent the last eight months and raised over $200 million trying to make election day useless.

@ElwoodBlues toe may toe/ toe mah toe 😂😂😂
You coming at me hard this evening bro .
What’s up?

@AthrillatheHunt What's up? I'm trying to elevate truth over falsehoods. Your claim about the Bronx is false. Admit it.

@ElwoodBlues must be so frustrating being you.
Trying to enlighten people who just choose to remain ignorant .
I feel for you bro .

@mikeylyksit Amen. Thank you for that.

You'd think we could all unite against something trying to kill us, our families, our friends, our fellow Americans...our fellow humans.

@mikeylyksit Hear, hear !

@SomeMichGuy I've come to the conclusion I just don't care. Take a look at this site and all the posts about covid, the vaccines, charts and graphs of who does or doesn't want a vaccine, supposed amount of people dying and who is or isn't vaccinated and they all have something in common... upset, hate, division of people, etc...
I no longer wish to be a part of it all.

@SW-User Yeah, there's a lot of CoViD postings. Of course, there IS a pandemic, and it IS a social site; is it any wonder that the site would reflect what is going on in society?

The people against the vaccinations present rumors, etc., so @ElwoodBlues shows data with references. It grounds what he presents, unlike the rumor-trading on, say, some posts on Facebook or here or other places.

If you don't like these, don't stress. Just unfollow this group ("Disease H Illness"), CoViD-related groups, etc. It's easy to get away from a bit of it.

Of course, you can stop following replies.

But be safe and may you stay well. I wish you nothing but the best! 😊

@SomeMichGuy I don't follow these groups. I have figured out you have to put on blindfolds, plug your ears and block people and groups til hell freezes over.
If this is what it's all about, I'll pass.
Thank you and you stay safe too.

@ElwoodBlues That's scary knowing who the people leading the anti vaccine movement really are and that thousands believe them.

@SatanBurger I have a friend who blames her sons learning disability on shots he received as an infant .

@AthrillatheHunt I think parents just want something to blame.

@SumKindaMunster Still waiting for you to present better data on the question. Until then, this is the best data we have. And the best data drives the conclusions.

@MarkPaul Goodmorning beefcake, How are you today?

@MarkPaul I refer to them as the Over Under Over demographic :
Over weight
Under educated
Over inked

@ElwoodBlues

@MayorOfCrushtown said


He is probably referring to the effects of the Indian Removal Act.

@SomeMichGuy Yes, he was, but my response was to @cherokeepatti, who said "largest genocide in history" without the "our country" qualifier.

@ElwoodBlues Ah, ok! lol

I don't see her posts; I should have read your reply more carefully. 👍

@canusernamebemyusername I've seen that falsehood repeatedly; it's good to have the data to refute it!

@canusernamebemyusername Why am I not surprised that someone on Faux News would come up with that ? We were over represented among the deaths before the vaccines were available. And now some are afraid because of the Mengele-type experiments that were historically performed on blacks in this country. But one of my sisters is a nurse; she said “All these white doctors are getting vaccinated ! And we know no one’s trying to harm them !”
Where we’re getting vaccinated, the death tolls are dropping.

@Adogslife I am not claiming anything that is not in full evidence. You have vax brain and it is about a plain as the nose on your face. You do have a nose don't you? You do have a face don't you? Your not some faceless troll being completely ignorant are you? Well one of those two options are the only two left. Either you are a troll or you have vax brain. I think it is likely vax brain.

@hippyjoe1955 Au Contraire!

@ElwoodBlues Still with the religious tracts? You do know that I never read them don't you? Maybe your vax brain prevents you from grasping that. I have told you multiple times that I never read them but you just keep posting them like some kind of robot. Very strange behavior. Can only be explained by you having vax brain. Good thing it is not contagious - unless you get the vax.

@Casheyane I sure would like to see some more actual data on the question. So far this is the best I've been able to find. I've looked, believe me.

@ElwoodBlues I have no reason not to believe that.

But honestly I'm more interested to know about what the frontliners have to say. If they themselves are vaccinated by choice or not. Their observations and thoughts. I don't have exact demographics. But it caught my interest how some medical practitioners don't trust vaccines. I only read some medical article/s and not all are recent. But you get what I mean.

I have no argument with you. If anything I like people who do their research. Just that one research isn't everything is all and I hope SW people in general think more deeply and research.

@Casheyane OK, maybe an mixture of statistics and anecdotes is what we need.

@ElwoodBlues the other community is born here and has many jobs in local and state government .
That’s why local government has mandated vax for all govt workers .
It’s the only way to get them to vax

@AthrillatheHunt Wow, I just checked out the numbers at https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page

Brooklyn & the Bronx are about as unvaccinated as Florida! That's a disaster in the making.

@ElwoodBlues yup. Did they break down the racial makeup of BX and BKLYN?

@Budwick Hmmm, looks like your notion of freedom only includes vaccine refusal.

Budwick wants us all to be free. However, in his eyes, the only way to be free is to do exactly what he does! LOL!!!

@PhaqueYou It says along the bottom of the chart - Post-ABC news polling Jun-July 2021. With that as a start, I'm gonna trust you to look up the link.

@Virgo79 I have a neighbor, lovely young woman, who is immuno-compromised. She got the vax, but it really doesn't do much for her. There are millions more Americans like her. These people need our herd immunity.

The current pandemic of the unvaccinated is killing some of our most vulnerable people. We, as a society, should be better than this. And, I would expect anyone from the party of "choose life" to implicitly understand this line of argument!

@Stereoguy that would be a memorable experience 🙂

@Stereoguy if its not tomorrow its to long😂