@ElwoodBlues I decided against the vax based on science. No one told me what to believe. BTW do you know there are over 155,000 vax related injured in hospital in the US?
@ElwoodBlues Why are you so negative towards someone who has a difference of opinion relating to the vaccine? Why would you care? Are you buying into the latest divisionary tactics? Divide the country based on vac or no vac?
If someone is vaccinated, why would they give a crap about someone who is not? If that person is at greater risk, it's their choice.
@carpediem [quote] Why would you care?[/quote] I have a neighbor, a lovely young woman, who is immuno-compromised. She's gotten the vaccine, but her immune system can't do much with it, so she's constantly in danger - especially from unvaccinated people. There are millions like her across the US. I value their lives.
@ElwoodBlues My wife is in such a category. That's why I got the vaccine. If you're concerned, she should be kept away from the general public. After all, they had everyone hiding from each other over this china virus.
Some people distrust the "experts". The political hacks in charge haven't done much to help. Kamala Harris bashed the vaccine and said she'd never take it because it was developed under Trump. Then, she suddenly reversed her tactic. Too much political shenanigans going on for people to actually trust what the "experts" are saying.
So now these same hacks are seeking to divide the nation yet again. Vaccinated versus non-vaccinated. And you're buying in to the scam. If the flow of honest information were to open up (that means no censorship by tech, media and government) I believe people would have a better understanding of the risks and make better choices for themselves. But that doesn't happen. Just do what we say or you're evil and we'll segregate you from the general population. We'll focus on the politics rather than the health issues people are concerned about.
@carpediem My best wishes to your wife. [quote]Kamala Harris bashed the vaccine and said she'd never take it because it was developed under Trump.[/quote] No, that's not whata she said. Harris said she wouldn't take anything recommended [b]only[/b] by Trump (such as hydroxychloroquine). BTW, Pfizer developed their vaccine without a penny from Op Warp Speed; Moderna did accept that development money.
I'm a reasonably well educated guy with an appetite for raw numbers, and I check out the scientific literature, and I discuss it with other reasonably well educated people. Just because you disagree with us doesn't make me a sheeple.
Look, Trump himself, in Alabama, advised people to get vaccinated; said he had been vaccinated himself even after his Covid infection. Did he suddenly join the sheeple? Or do you need to re-evaluate?
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]BTW do you know there are over 155,000 vax related injured in hospital in the US?[/quote] Still waiting on your source for this claim.
[quote] so about the vaxed that can and do spread the virus just like the unvaxed????[/quote] They don't. You like to cite data out of Israel, here's the proof, based on Israel's data, that your claim is false. https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated Yep, I keep presenting you with this analysis, and you keep ignoring it.
@hippyjoe1955 Also still awaiting proof on this claim: [quote]there is now proof by those same metrics that the vaxes are more dangerous than the disease and are in fact driving variants.[/quote] You've been evading my questions about it for two days now; did you think I would forget???
@carpediem Yes, I saw where you said you got the vaccine. I was writing my response for more than just you; hippyjoe used the term in this subthread; in fact this subthread is all beneath his 'sheeple' comment.
And now we wait for him to support his claims. Don't hold your breath!
@ElwoodBlues The mistake you're making is you're looking at someone with vaccine views other than your own as an enemy. It's not only rude, it's stupid.
@carpediem I'm looking at people who make outlandish claims while refusing to back them up as the enemy. I'm looking at people who spread dangerous lies as the enemy. That's not you, that's the person who started this thread.
@ElwoodBlues Who are you? The vaccine police? People who spread dangerous lies? I think what you're experiencing is someone with a different view who giving his reasons why he feels the way he feels. I may disagree with his view, but I'm not running circles trying to be a superhero like you
Grow up kid. He has reasons for his views. And he doesn't have to justify himself to you. Accept the fact that people have opinions and thoughts that don't always fall in line with yours. Grow up.
@carpediem I know I’m late to this discussion, but fwiw the problem here isn’t that [@hippyjoe] has a difference of opinion, it’s that he’s presenting alternative facts. Disbelieving experts, mainstream media, and the basic facts they present has become part of belonging to the Republican tribe. I can respect and probably even work and compromise with people with differences of opinion, but we’re doomed to be divided as long as half the country (and apparently some interested foreigners) lives in an entirely different reality with its own set of “facts”.
@JP1119 Nice bit of tribalism you got going there. You do know that 'republicans' are in large part in favor of the jab don't you? Here is a clue. When I was a kid all the leftists were 'anti establishment' now all the leftists are 'pro establishment. I grew up in the 70s. Hello! I am not republican. I am aware of the fact that government is not my friend and is not watching out for me. I know it would send me to my death without batting an eye. Silly you thinks that government would never lie to you or feed you poison.
@JP1119 You're absolutely nuts. I'm a republican. I'm vaccinated. Every other friend of mine who is a republican is vaccinated. I live in a heavily republican county and we're highly vaccinated. You're spreading idiotic rhetoric designed around dividing people.
People have concerns about the vaccine. They're genuine. Fools such as yourself blindly accepting the division tactics are not helping. When someone feverishly tries to stop the flow of information or label another person because they disagree there's generally a problem at hand.
This vaccine rollout was handled terribly. Censoring people is making things worst not better. Try having respect for another person's view instead of distain. That's my set of facts.
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]You do know that ‘republicans’ are in large part in favor of the jab don’t you?[/quote] The only way I can think of that that might be true is if you polled Republicans maybe a little over 50% would be open to getting vaccinated. On the other hand, if you only polled people who refuse to get vaccinated, I’m pretty damn sure the vast majority of them are Republicans, conservatives, and/or Trump supporters.
I don’t know why you brought up the the perception that the Left has transitioned from anti-establishment to pro-establishment over the last several decades, but to the extent that that’s true it’s because some liberal causes have in that time been ostensibly adopted by the establishment. The infamous quote by Lee Atwater comes to mind about how now Republicans have to say “small government” and “tax cuts” instead of “forced busing” or the N word because it’s not acceptable to be overtly racist anymore.
If the government wants to kill you so damn bad, then why are they ostensibly doing it by trying to offer you poison disguised as a vaccine? Isn’t that a really convoluted method for an entity as powerful as the government?
Why isn’t the government your friend? In an ideal world the government, especially a democratic Constitutional republic like the US or Canada, would be your friend and would look out for you, wouldn’t it? The oh-so-wise Founding Fathers knew what they were doing, didn’t they? So what went wrong? I’m inclined to think you’re paranoid that people with more pigment in their skin than you have are out to get you and that they must have elected officials with malicious intent against white people. Even if you’re right, I’d rather live a shorter life believing in the basic goodness of my fellow countrymen than to believe that danger and evil are lurking around every corner like you seem to think.
@JP1119 Actually the biggest faction not getting vaxed are African Americans. They tend to vote democrat though. Strike ONE! Then there are the highly educated. Doctors and scientists also are less likely to get the jab than the working Joe who comes home every night and watches the nightly news. The highly educated tend to vote democrat too. Strike TWO! One other group that is very much against it are middle aged women. They also tend to vote democrat. Strike THREE! You and your ugly tribalism are out!
